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03:26 < aestetix> Dagmar: it very much is cult like
03:27 < aestetix> opticron: for example, all the focus on "gender" stuff, when there are issues like a major drug crisis (fentanyl), wages have collapsed, inflation is still an issue, etc
09:37 <@Dagmar> That's exactly the point
09:45 < Evilpig> good lord.  my brother...
09:46 < Evilpig> for whatever dumbshit reason he was cleaning his garage which involved throwing out a load of packing peanuts and he decided they were taking up too much space in the recycling bin so he doused them in gas
09:47 < Evilpig> this immediately melted them, because that's how napalm is made.  but where he made the move from stupid to retarded he cleaned out some stuff from my nephew that consists of saltpeter and nitrogen...
09:51 < Evilpig> or maybe it was potasium,  either way homemade gunpowder
10:02 < aestetix> Dagmar: what do you mean
10:03 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Is the house a total loss?
10:05 < Evilpig> not yet
10:05 < Evilpig> he apparently wasn't done there and claims to have thrown some old lithium ion batteries into the mix just because he's already gone this far down the stupid path
10:16 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Do you really not know how cults work?  How they make the most insane claims and people still follow that shit?
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10:18 < aestetix> Dagmar: ok, so you're saying that the far left "gender" stuff has turned into a cult, and it's turning away all the normal people who care about workers rights and so on?
10:18 < aestetix> I'd agree with that.
10:18 <@Dagmar> No, dude.  It's based on strongly-held counterfactual beliefs
10:18 <@Dagmar> These types of beliefs are a very pernicious case
10:19 <@Dagmar> The are beliefs in things which are not true.  They're _demonstratably_ not true.
10:19 < aestetix> This is also true
10:19 < aestetix> or not true lol
10:19 <@Dagmar> ...but the person was led to believe these things in a manner that did not invove ANY logic, so...
10:20 <@Dagmar> ...when you try to dissuade them from these beliefs, there's no way to do it.  There's no chain of logic to unwind.  No premises that can be refuted or shown to be false.
10:20 < aestetix> yep
10:20 <@Dagmar> More importantly, when challenged, these people will make up the most fanciful shit to "back up" their beliefs, and hold onto them even more strongly
10:21 < aestetix> So the religious right got somehow transferred to them
10:21 <@Dagmar> As to the "cult like"... Do you know why 7th Day folks are told to go and bother everryone early in the weekend morning?
10:21 <@Dagmar> They'll get themselses all full of mysticism and then go talk to someone who is probably slightly hungover about some absolultely batshit stuff 
10:22 < aestetix> I was gonna say, because everyone is hungover
10:22 <@Dagmar> These people somewhat rightly recoil from either the hour, the bizarre mysticism, or just hte fact that there's a stranger on their doorstep
10:22 <@Dagmar> THey're generally rude and often downright hostile
10:23 <@Dagmar> NOW the cult member goes back to their church and tells all their cult friends (who seem perfectly reasonable to them) about how *terrible* everyone "out in the world" is
10:23 <@Dagmar> It's a form of deliberate alienation
10:23 <@Dagmar> In a very short while those cult members are convinced that everyone not in the cult is a godless savage, because their interactions with them have pretty much shown that to be true
10:24 <@Dagmar> It's not about "witnessing".  It's about reinforcing self-isolation and the idea that only "believers" can be trusted or respected
10:24 < aestetix> So the religious cults figured out how to I guess bleed this garbage into the far left?
10:24 <@Dagmar> You get a bunch of MAGAs running around acting like asshole about masks and that's EXACTLY what that is
10:24 < aestetix> And the far right too. the MAGA crowd does the same shit
10:24 <@Dagmar> Smae thign goes for getting MAGAs to go out and be a bunch of fuckin' racist shitbags
10:25 <@Dagmar> It's a _cult_
10:25 <@Dagmar> On the flip side, their politicians don't have to actually _do_ any damn thing because it's all performative
10:26 <@Dagmar> They got a win I'm sure they didn't expect with the reversal of Roe vs Wade, because that's something they could safely campaign for in that almost no one wanted that to happen, but then they got enough people who don't care to do their jobs properly in the right places and oops
10:27 <@Dagmar> ...so now they're focusing on things like illegal immigration, which can not possibly be "solved" with their current, nonexistant planning
10:27 <@Dagmar> ...but it lets them _pretend_ they're working very hard and once more claim "the libs want to give your jobs to illegals!"
10:27 <@Dagmar> They flog that racism banner
10:28 <@Dagmar> ...and then people who aren't racist shitbags respond strongly negatively to that, and the cult members become alienated
10:28 <@Dagmar> It's about dividing the people, and rallying a small minority of the most easily manipulated idjits
10:29 <@Dagmar> I may damn well start keeping a katana in the car if this shit continues to get worse
10:29 <@Dagmar> Possibly just a wakizashi
10:31 <@Dagmar> If I get swarmed for being a liberal in this redneck area, I'm not going down without making a bunch of strawberry jam first
11:01 <@Dagmar> There's a very real possibility that Trump will cause a lot of violence in November, if not before then
11:01 <@Dagmar> I've zero intention of allowing me and mine to be harmed by that
12:00 < aestetix> Dagmar: unless Trump is in jail by then
12:01 <@Dagmar> I have hopes he'll have a stroke and spend the rest of his life in a vegetative state, drooling uncontrollably
12:01 <@Dagmar> He is a man who _deserves_ "locked-in" syndrome
18:55 < Synx_> Pixel phone requires the power button to wake the screen... power button also hangs up calls... need to wake screen while on call... fml
18:56 < Synx_> Also, why is it that when you call a support hotline and give out your phone number incase of disconnect they never call back
18:56 < Evilpig> I've had one call back
18:56 < Evilpig> but only one
21:19 <@Dagmar> Synx_: You can also use the front fingerprint reader to wake the screen
22:10 <@Dagmar> Goodness
22:10 <@Dagmar> It's impressive to see that even in the far future Federation captains are still super-willing to do space-redneck shit
22:13 <@Dagmar> PLanting a couple of starship hulls into the sand definitely qualifies
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