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05:16 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:34  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
05:42 <@Dolemite> You know, airlines over the last several years have been charging extra for the emergency exit aisle seats, because of extra legroom...
05:42 <@Dolemite> I wonder if they are now reserving that for the cheapest bastards on a flight when it's a Boeing aircraft?
05:43 < aestetix> so a question about that
05:43 < aestetix> Airlines justify this shit on the grounds that it is expensive to fly an airplane
05:43 < aestetix> what makes it so expensive?
05:44 < aestetix> are there regulations and taxes they have to pay? or are they just greedy?
05:44 <@Dolemite> Well, first of all, aircraft are expensive to buy/lease.  Then there are the operating costs.  Fuel, labor, and maintenance crews.
05:45 < aestetix> sure, but that doesn't explain how costs have significantly gone up over the last 30 years
05:45 <@Dolemite> Airports charge by the minute that a plane is parked at a gate.  They charge for the gates to be designated for a specific airline.
05:45 <@Dolemite> Airlines pay a share of the security costs at airports
05:45 < aestetix> Ahh. And there are security costs thanks to DHS thanks to 9/11
05:46 <@Dolemite> A full aircraft on a long haul flight is very profitable.
05:46 <@Dolemite> That's why they optimize the scheduling for putting butts in seats
05:46 <@Dolemite> They also utilize demand based pricing.  The first seat sold on an aircraft is significantly cheaper than the last one.
05:46 < aestetix> Yes, but as I understood it, airlines were going broke, and using these new fees as way to incrase income to cover costs
05:47 <@Dolemite> Even if they are next to each other
05:47 < aestetix> So my question is less *what* they are charging for, but why they are charging for it
05:47 <@Dolemite> Sure, but once they returned to profitability, they were not required to stop charging the extra fees
05:48 <@Dolemite> Because they CAN
05:48 < aestetix> Ok, so it is greed
05:48 <@Dolemite> That is the why
05:48 <@Dolemite> Well they don't exist as a public utility.  They exist to make money.
05:48 < aestetix> Yes, but the free market is suppose to help manage that so they don't become extortion
05:48 <@Dolemite> But that being said, even public utilities aim to be profitable.  They are just regulated as to how much profit they can make.
05:49 <@Dolemite> The free market is managing that.  People continue to fly, even at the higher rates..
05:49 <@Dolemite> Until demand lowers they have no incentive to be competitive
05:50 < aestetix> Yep, sounds about right
05:50 < aestetix> I've noticed that flying in the US is a significantly worse experience than flying in Europe
05:50 < aestetix> I wonder how much of that is because in Europe people are more likely to travel by train than airplane
05:51 <@Dolemite> Possible.  I don't even have an option for train travel.
05:51 < aestetix> Exactly
05:51 < aestetix> Which goes into your point about competition
05:51 <@Dolemite> Unless I want to drive 3.5 hours to Atlanta, and even then the destinations are not places I'd want to go.
05:53 < aestetix> If I want to travel from Berlin to Paris, I am *far* more likely to take a train than an airplane
05:54 < aestetix> Unless there is some pressing urgency and I need to get there faster
05:54 < aestetix> Sounds like the US needs more trains :)
05:55 < aestetix> Plus there is no security drama on trains
05:56 < aestetix> holy shit
05:56 < aestetix> Germany just legalized marijuana
05:56 < aestetix> The new law goes into effect on April 1
05:57 < aestetix> So they have moved from a "yeah it's illegal but nobody cares" to "you can legally smoke it" stance
07:37 <@Dolemite> clear
07:38 <@Dolemite> wrong window
07:46 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Not sure if you had this on your Sonarr, but ARK The Animated Series dropped last night.   I had no idea the superpower voice cast that it had.
07:52 <@Dolemite> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13629530/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_8_tt_7_nm_1_q_ark
07:52 < PigBot> Ark: The Animated Series (TV Series 2024– ) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) https://tinyurl.com/2yufpb8e
08:18 < Evilpig> I apparently added that first of last month and completely forgot about it
08:19 <@Dolemite> I think I added it about 2 years ago when I'd first read about it in development
08:19 <@Dolemite> Thought it would never make it
08:19 < Evilpig> I also solved my weird routing problem that i've bitch about off and on for the last month
08:20 < Evilpig> the final answer on that was firewalld had some funky extra zones set and one of them was grabbing some of the ssh traffic and denying it outbound.  so the new alma9 server was reaching the old server but it couldn't get any traffic back so it treated it as a bad route
08:21 < Evilpig> I ended up doing a tcpdump on it and every time I tried to connect from the new server to the old, it recorded a single syn_sent packet
08:22 <@Dolemite> This afternoon I get my gigabit Spectrum service installed...   we'll see if they can deliver on that speed
08:22 < Evilpig> you know you can count on me to have a few free MBs to contribute to your speed test
08:23 < Evilpig> there's always https://speedtest.wilpig.com too
08:23 < PigBot> LibreSpeed Example (at speedtest.wilpig.com) https://tinyurl.com/2c25hmkq
08:23 <@Dolemite> I'll mainly test pulling from newsgroups and pushing out streams ;)
08:23 <@Dolemite> Maybe download new Ubuntu images
08:23 < Evilpig> 24.04 is a hot mess
08:23 <@Dolemite> Haven't tried it yet
08:24 <@Dolemite> This laptop I'm on I converted from Win 10 to Ubuntu 23.10
08:24 < Evilpig> we've started doing some basic testing with the latest daily builds
08:24 < Evilpig> found an issue with cfengine which is what lead to my pull request
08:24 < Evilpig> https://github.com/cfengine/masterfiles/pull/2853#issuecomment-2015035621
08:24 < PigBot> CFE-4359: Update regex strings to raw to squelch warnings introduced with python 3.12 by wilpig · Pull Request #2853 · cfengine/masterfiles · GitHub (at github.com) https://tinyurl.com/227uwka3
08:24 <@Dolemite> I must admit that it's done a good job of replacing 99% of my needs.  I still have my Win 11 "gaming laptop" with dedicated GPU for playing some games.
08:25 < Evilpig> games that aren't factorio, but do have religion like "mileyism" ?
08:25 <@Dolemite> Derp Derp is the one true religion
08:25 <@Dolemite> Plus there's Diablo IV
08:26 < Evilpig> the patch notes for season 4 are looking promising
08:26 < Evilpig> I'm hoping they grandfather in the book since i've found all the aspects already and unlocked the achievement
08:26 <@Dolemite> It will be interesting to play around with the dual interface router I have for the short time that I'll have both Spectrum and TDS
08:26 <@Dolemite> I'll route the kids through the TDS link and reserve the Spectrum for the adults :)  LOL
08:34 < Evilpig> I need to figure out what to put in these cards to sabrina that she isn't going to get and take them to the post office this morning
08:34 <@Dolemite> "Sorry your mother is a cunt bag, hang in there, I'm trying to get you out of that hell hole."
08:35 < Evilpig> that won't look great when they bring it ot court 
08:35 < Evilpig> but that's what I'd like to say
08:35 <@Dolemite> I can engrave it on a placard with my laser if you want
08:35 <@Dolemite> Using artscript and such
08:36 < Evilpig> sending her photos so it will be something along the lines of "i'm sorry you don't have access to your old accounts, sending along some of your memories"
08:36 < Evilpig> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jyEtkfryQuEAzUHFA
08:36 < PigBot> No Title (at photos.app.goo.gl) 
08:36 < Evilpig> I'll put in there to please contact me, ask about school, etc
08:37 < Evilpig> and of course document it all before I send it so that it can be brought up later when she doesn't get them or if they alter them and make more claims
09:00 <@Dolemite> LOL, customer wanted me to open up a direct PostgreSQL connection from the internet into DMZ.
09:01 <@Dolemite> I swear, these researchers have no concept of security
09:08 < Evilpig> sounds about right
09:09 < Evilpig> I've been having a discussion with my group about the security implications of sssd caching accounts and its default setting to never expire so you could end up with an offline brute force opportunity
09:09 < Evilpig> the flip side is to set the expiration for that but if someone is offline for longer than that period there is no way to remotely get someone back into their system
10:10 <@Dagmar> If a device can be offline for that long and still be considered in compliance with network security policies is a bigger question
10:11 <@Dagmar> Clearly it did not get any patches or auditing if it was off
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13:33 < Evilpig> Dagmar: we have cf-engine that runs on the network or off to maintain some semblence of order.  some of these systems can get updates from other sources as well, but to that point if they are offline for that length of time we'd want them to get on the network and get updated rather than be stuck remote and a brick
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14:22 <@Dagmar> Ah
14:22 <@Dagmar> I may be giving a coworker dirty looks for some time
14:22 <@Dagmar> *I* am super-careful about not fucking breaking synchronization between the Fortimanager and the Fortigates
14:24 <@Dagmar> THe *other* guy has apparently been making changes to the whitelist group object without synching things
14:24 <@Dagmar> ...which when he pulled the configurations back into the Fortimanager while moving them to the 7.2 ADOM, resulted in about 15-20 per-device definitions being created for that object
14:25 <@Dagmar> ...which is why when I made a change to that object without knowing the damn per-device definitions were there, it would absolutely refuse to update things correctlyt
14:26 <@Dagmar> That still  doesn't explain why the main HA pair were pulling the same shit yesterday with no per-device mappings involved, unless one had managed to get itself orphaned
14:27 <@Dolemite> Yay, gigabit service, now
14:27 <@Dagmar> I had to explain to the tech who called that teh only reason the per-device mapping he saw existed was that I put it there in a desperate attempt to force the FTM to actually adjust the on-device policy
14:27 < Evilpig> what's speedtest.wilpig.com show?
14:27 <@Dagmar> ...but as long as it continues to behave
14:27 <@Dolemite> 83 down 30 up
14:28 <@Dolemite> But ookla has me at 900 down
14:28 < Evilpig> so there's a shit route between us, that stinks
14:28 <@Dagmar> That you're getting fucked
14:28 <@Dagmar> It's showing 28.4 down 71.6 up
14:28 <@Dolemite> I'll flip back over to TDS in a bit and compare
14:29 <@Dagmar> Well, Comcast majorly fucked up something last night between midnight and 4:30
14:30 <@Dagmar> The office in Mboro couldn't reach my house at all, adn the Comcast fiber network was flat on it's back, with the Coax network showing packet loss and higher than usual latency so I suspect it wasn't taking the handoff well
14:30 <@Dagmar> There may still be some routing buggery going on in Comcast-landia
14:31 <@Dagmar> Mind you those cacti graphs only measure two hops upstream but they're generally pretty reliable
14:31 <@Dagmar> Our AT&T connection didn't wobble
14:32 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: It could also be this really old Stinkpad.  I'll try on a newer box with a good NIC in a bit.
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14:59 < Evilpig> that is weird on my speed.  it should be showing better for sure.  looking at the stats page for it it's clocked in a bunch of slow speeds but my overall speed shows that i'm pushing some heavy bandwidth so it really has to be a couple of overloaded interconnects.  https://blueboy.wilpig.org/mrtg/localhost_2.html
14:59 < PigBot> Traffic Analysis for public - firewall.wilpig.org (at blueboy.wilpig.org) https://tinyurl.com/y3u6p6ns
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16:45 < Evilpig> looks like my pull request to cfengine has been approved.
18:41 <@Mirage> Dolemite: here's a new mashup for you.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okEIgrhEVUk
18:42 < PigBot> Mashup: Baby one more time - Britney Spears ft. Black Jack - DJ Sorma Mix. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/2blk9e7m
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