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08:47 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:47 <@Mirage> From what I've seen of the commercials and trailers from the Super Bowl, I didn't miss anything.  
09:53 <@Dolemite> There were a couple of decent commercials
09:53 <@Dolemite> Temu spent big money to keep spying on Americans in their quest for cheap Chinese made shit
09:56 <@Dolemite> The Dunkin Donuts one was the funniest in my opinion.  The Google Pixel 8 one was just neat.
09:58 < Evilpig> i don't want to waste time going to look for these things, so i'm just going to assume your opinion is bad and commercials are awful even for the stupor bowl
10:15 < aestetix> I watched a few of the "best"
10:15 < aestetix> and I'm not sure if it's because I'm out of touch with american culture
10:15 < aestetix> or because they sucked
12:16 <@Mirage> I wasn't overly impressed by the "best" ones that I've seen so far
17:29 <@eryc> Evilpig: do you know how to play hvec on win11? i bought the 99c codec but vlc/wmp still don't work
17:52 < Evilpig> hevc should just play.  I use vlc
19:27 <@Dagmar> eryc: VLC should be able to play h.264/h.265 and HEVC just fine
19:27 <@Dagmar> If VLC isn't working, somethings probably knackered with your video drivers and it's being handed off to those improperly
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19:33 <@eryc> yea so i'm still on win10 and apperenty mid 2023 microsoft removed hevc drivers from the ms store
19:33 <@Dagmar> Okay so again, just use VLC
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19:34 <@eryc> i paid the 99c fee and a fresh install of vlc still can't play it back
19:34 <@Dagmar> You fucked up somewhere, probably by installing something that cost a dollar
19:34 <@Dagmar> I have _never_ paid for video codecs
19:34 <@eryc> it was from microsoft
19:34 <@eryc> apparently they changed policies a year ago
19:34 <@Dagmar> Then it's still fucking failing and now it's getting in the way
19:35 <@eryc> yea but besides installing linux what should i do
19:35 <@Dagmar> Dude, I encode shit to h.265 using Handbrake in Windows _and_ Linux and play it back using VLC on both.
19:35 <@Dagmar> VLC is all you need.  Full stsop.
19:35 <@eryc> but you have installed past mid 2023
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19:35 <@Dagmar> That does not matter.
19:36 <@eryc> apparently it does
19:36 <@Dagmar> VLC does not play games with idiots who want to try to charge for a licence 
19:36 <@Dagmar> VLC just ships a codec that fucking plays them
19:36 <@Dagmar> If it were a hard requirement to pay for a licence, VLC would simply not shi pit
19:37 <@eryc> you protest a shallow vacuum that apparenlty doesn't exist on win11
19:37 <@Dagmar> No, it does not exist on Win11.
19:37 <@Dagmar> It didn't exist in Windows 10, either.
19:37 <@Dagmar> It didn't exist in Windows 7.
19:37 <@Dagmar> VLC plays h.265 videos just fuckin' fine
19:37 <@eryc> search hevc win11 and see what you find
19:37 <@Dagmar> What I'll find is morons who think it's all magical pixie dust
19:38 <@eryc> the top post says to pay microsoft the 99c but it still doesn't work
19:38 <@Dagmar> ...which is because those people are idiots who think they don't need to _know things_, that they just need to pay money
19:38 <@eryc> ok so you're saying i need my own build system to introduce the codec
19:39 <@Dagmar> If you Google for "HEVC VLC" the first hit is videolan.org's page talking about h.265
19:39 <@eryc> vlc is not working for hevc after whatever licensing issue happened a year ago
19:39 <@eryc> it works for me on win10 but on win11 microsoft isn't allowing it
19:39 <@Dagmar> Microsoft has no control over what VLC does
19:40 <@eryc> fuck off
19:40 <@eryc> go shit in a hole
19:40 <@Dagmar> Dude, get the fuckin' hint
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19:40 <@eryc> yea you're talking shit stfu
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19:40 <@Dagmar> Multiple people have told you flat out that h.265 isn't a problem under VLC
19:40 <@Dagmar> I'm saying point blank that if it'
19:40 <@eryc> its literally just you shit for brains
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19:41 <@Dagmar> s not playing for you, something is probably fucked up with the configuration and it's trying to hand off playback to a hardware driver that _does not work_
19:41 <@eryc> go install a fresh win11 instance and come back you stupid shit
19:41 <@Dagmar> ...probably as a result of the $1 you paid Microsoft for something that would very eagerly intercept as many calls as it could so it could try to decode h.265
19:41 <@eryc> fuck off idiot
19:42 <@Dagmar> I have never, _ever_ installed anything but VLC for video playback on this machine.  Not with Win7, not with Win10, and not with Win11.
19:42 <@eryc> yea thats the fucking problem neither have i
19:42 <@Dagmar> If you can't deal with that, go shit in a hat and pull it down over your ears until you learn to go into VLC settings and flip the accelleration settings around
19:43 <@Dagmar> The logical answer is that Microsoft fucked you
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19:43 <@Dagmar> You just need to _undo that_
19:43 <@Dagmar> Hell my goddamn Chrome install can play h.265, although it doesn't really _care_ to.
19:44 <@Dagmar> I still haven't worked out exactly why it's totes happy about h.264, but h.265 seems subject to "mood".  Like, it'll play it in the canvas area, but won't show playback controls.
19:44 <@Dagmar> ...which is just weird.
19:46 <@Dagmar> I actually probably _couldn't_ install the Microsoft codec becuase I practically burned the telemetry and store shit out with a blowtorch
19:46 <@Dagmar> EVery so often Microsoft tries to force me to make a Microsoft account and let them have the ability to unlock my desktop and I just unplug the ethernet until it calms down
19:48 <@Dagmar> Ah... I see now (from Googling) that the secret to Chrome playing it is that it only does so if your CPU has support for it
19:49 <@eryc> apparently hevc is a propriertary codec now and microsoft refuses to play unlicenced content
19:49 <@Dagmar> Good for them
19:49 <@eryc> ok but unless i install linux then we're fucked
19:49 <@Dagmar> That would also explain why people are practically rushing towards AV1.
19:50 <@eryc> Evilpig encoded his entire library with hevc
19:50 <@Dagmar> Well, if your CPU isn't up to the task, you don't want to do software decoding of the thing
19:51 <@eryc> these dark patterns ms employed elliminate piracy
19:52 <@eryc> we're all grandfathered into the very predictable and compatable legacy codec
19:52 <@Dagmar> Av1 compresses better, but it's _holy shit_ slow compared to even h265, which is a third slower than h264 to encode
19:53 <@eryc> its only newcomers who are now suffering from the lack of codec support
19:53 <@Dagmar> No, mainly just the people who refuse to listen to reason
19:53 <@Dagmar> VLC ships with a library that will decode h265.  
19:54 <@eryc> yea but microsoft must be deleting it
19:54 <@Dagmar> Extremely doubtful since that would cause VLC to just crash outright
19:55 <@eryc> vlc has 1000 default plugins
19:55 <@Dagmar> Go to Tools->Settings, select the Input/Codecs tab, and then disable hardware-accellerated decoding
19:55 <@Dagmar> If might play like shit, but it should play
19:56 <@Dagmar> I am literally watching VLC play a video in 1080 from the recent snowstorms that I took with my phone and encoded to h.265 myself
19:56 <@eryc> i haven't given up i'm just a frustrated drunk and its not my pc
19:56 <@Dagmar> CPU load goes up a bit when hardware accelleration is disabled
19:56 <@eryc> i just got a $28k bonus and a $10k raise
19:57 <@Dagmar> Or hell, install WFL or whatever the fuck that abominative form of Ubuntu is and I'll bet it'll play under that
20:09 <@eryc> i'm starting to wonder if all my personal computers should run steamod
20:10 <@eryc> at the rate m$ is support office on wayland maybe it would wokr
20:11 <@eryc> or perhaps oracle virtualbox with passthru video emulation
20:11 <@eryc> steam next fest is never going to support linux
20:51 <@Dagmar> Most of that stuff almost barely works under Windows so I wouldn't worry about it too mcuh
22:01 < Evilpig> it's hevc what all the new OTA stuff is broadcast in?
22:01 < Evilpig> isn't*
22:05 < nihil-> new OTA?
22:05 < nihil-> wouldn't it be 264 still?
22:05 < nihil-> older digital tvs still work no?
22:05 < nihil-> wasn't that 264?
22:07 < nihil-> snap i missed the codec conversation
22:07 < nihil-> i love that shit
22:07 < nihil-> i hate it but i love it
22:07 < nihil-> firefox is all dumb and shit at hardware accelerated HD video
22:07 < nihil-> err
22:08 < nihil-> well that's youtube really
22:08 < nihil-> youtube forcing 4k to be AV1
22:08 < nihil-> my firefox won't do AV1
22:08 < nihil-> but chromium based browsers will
22:10 < nihil-> eryc paid to play a video lol
22:10 < nihil-> oh ok... so i read the thing
22:11 < nihil-> eryc is still here... alright.. hevc on win11
22:13 < nihil-> https://potplayer.daum.net/ 
22:13 < PigBot> Global Potplayer (at potplayer.daum.net) http://tinyurl.com/ok3h7zt
22:15 < nihil-> if VLC is having issues with it then potplayer
22:17 < nihil-> madshii is the best renderer with potplayer for playing blurays and shit on low end systems
22:33 <@Dagmar> We'll see
22:33 <@Dagmar> I sort of suspect the paid codec is intercepting the driver hooks
22:34 <@Dagmar> ...but I *do* remember when I encountered that on Win10 my immediate reaction was "I'm not paying a dollar for that", immediately installed VLC and it worked just fine
22:46 < nihil-> I typically use windows server if I can
22:46 < nihil-> there was a laptop where I just couldn't get the driver to work so I had to use win 10
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