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06:09 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:07 <@Dagmar> Well, wtf has Ben done to his damn browser
09:13 <@Dagmar> I finally got him to hit that API link Pig gave me, and he's got everything showing up in the JSON but this morning his goddamn browser doesn't even show the rack images
09:22 <@Dagmar> wtf
09:22 < Evilpig> have him hold shift and hit reload to force a cache clean
09:23 <@Dagmar> Same shit going on with another user
09:24 <@Dagmar> The rack is assigned to the IT group, they're members of the IT group... the API shows all the servers...
09:25 <@Dagmar> The equipment is all assigned to the IT group...
09:33 <@Dagmar> Radtke can see the stuff.  I'm going to make Ben shift-reload that page as soon as I can get his attention again
09:34 <@Dagmar> I'm not above fixing whatever's buggering cache information being handed to the browser, but I know that's going to be a complex mess
09:35 <@Dagmar> Threading a shitton of timestamps through databases so the thing can know what it should say is the Last-Modified date won't be pleasant
09:35 <@Dagmar> By the way, the cache busting for the javascript isn't necessary as far as I know.  What looney did that
09:35 <@Dagmar> I mean, it's a static file that's being referenced.
09:36 <@Dagmar> Neither Apache nor nginix should ever fuck that up unless someone goes and molests the timestamps on the files
09:38 <@Dagmar> ...and if it happens to be asshats from the IRC channel just tell me which knuckle shufflers I need to beat into submission
09:39 <@Dagmar> The WWW has been around for nearly thirty goddamn years now.  None of these issues are new or even that esoteric
09:40 <@Dagmar> People shouldn't be throwing cache-busting hacks in because they saw an old man build a runway and some planes out of reeds and dried grass
09:41 <@Dagmar> That shit should remain the purview of CI/CD developers who don't know how anything actually works
09:41 < Evilpig> keep in mind you're looking at code that has evolved over the last 15 years and the cache busting stuff has been in there for that time because jquery updates and the browser caches it, end of story
09:41 <@Dagmar> yeah and as long as jquery.js's timestamp change when jquery updates, it should not be a problem
09:42 < Evilpig> what should happen and what does happen are two totally different world
09:42 <@Dagmar> THat's true, but cache-busting stuff is generally only useful when someone's using a content manager that's pulling said javascript out of a database and _doesn't actually change the timestamps_ when it should
09:43 <@Dagmar> ...or if someone's done something naive in their web browser configuration
09:43 <@Dagmar> I've got some directories over here that I force an expiry of 24 hours in the future on, but they're webfonts and images, not css or javascript that I might change
09:44 <@Dagmar> Mainly because webfonts add a ton to the page weight unless they're cached, and Firefox apparently likes to be stupid about it on some Pis
09:44 <@Dagmar> That really does kind of piss me off.  I think it might just be happening on some of the Pi 3's which don't have a lot of RAM so it might be memory pressure causign Firefox to do that
09:46 <@Dagmar> When I figure out the first place to throw in a PRG method, I'll just put a damn diff on my server (still don't trust my git acumen at all) so you can see the difference
09:46 <@Dagmar> We've got some really stubborn users who will beat hte hell out of a submission button, so I've had to hook that, and PLENTY of users who were all into using the back button and telling it "oh yeah resubmit that shit"
09:47 <@Dagmar> So like, I don't get to ignore PRG because I know some nurse will fuck things right up
09:53 <@Dagmar> Basically, when you satisfy a post request and then return a new webpage, you're not saving any steps
09:53 <@Dagmar> The browser keeps that
09:54 <@Dagmar> The POST in all of it's non-idempotent glory are now part of hte browsing history and hitting the back button will repeat them (which is almost never, ever the right thing but it's whatevs)
09:55 <@Dagmar> If, on the other hand, you just throw back a 303 redirect, it _overwrites_ the history entry with the GET request
09:55 <@Dagmar> ...which is pretty much why the 303 was invented
10:19 <@Dagmar> Dayum... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13010769/Memphis-DJ-Slick-Rick-decapitated-home.html
10:19 < PigBot> ​Memphis DJ 'Slick Rick' is found decapitated in his home | Daily Mail Online (at www.dailymail.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/yrlamxxy
10:30 <@opticron> That's a little wild...
10:30 <@Dagmar> It's straight crazy
10:31 <@Dagmar> It says he had his pants down and I can't even think of a scenario where you'd go from that to beheading
10:34 < Evilpig> that is weird.  still holding his keys too, so like he came in the door or was headed out and got dropped.  you'd think he would have let go of the keys unless he got tazed or something that caused him to seize?
10:34 <@Dagmar> Yeah... Keys in hand, but pants down?  Does not compute.
10:35 < Evilpig> gonna end up with conspiracy theories on this one.  first thing that came to my mind was someone tazed him, cut off his head, then went to town on him
10:35 <@Dagmar> euw
10:35 < Evilpig> crazed stalker/fan kinda thing with a necro twist
11:35 <@Dagmar> Oh lewk.  Teams being teams
11:43 <@Dagmar> ...and now I have a screenshot of the failed image loading that I can paste into chats to drive Windows support people nuts with later
11:43 <@Dagmar> Just message 'em "heads up" and paste that grey box, then go afk
12:11 <@Mirage> new onion:  https://youtu.be/uvygV2DRy-I
12:11 < PigBot> Alabama Middle Schooler Jailed After Taking Basketball Back Out From Under Her Shirt - YouTube (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/yr9ul9rm
15:02 < Evilpig> bah.  schwab isn't going to have tax docments ready til mid-feb
15:15 <@opticron> fidelity is currently predicting feb10 for me
15:18 < Evilpig> I moved funds around and edward jones has already filed the 1099 so I need the other bit from schwab or it will look like a shitton of extra income
18:59 <@Dagmar> LOOOOOL
19:00 <@Dagmar> So it turns out that talking shit about how you're so rich you could pay a million dollars a day in fines and not notice it is NOT A GOOD PLAN when you're standing in front of some people who are suppose to assign a dollar value to your continued misbehaviour which already resulted in five million dollars in fines
19:00 <@Dagmar> BLAM.  EIGHTY THREE MILLION DOLLAR FINE
20:20 <@Mirage> She'll have to sue him again to get it.  Of course his lawyers probbaly filed for an appeal within minutes of the verdict.
20:32 <@Dagmar> I'm sure she won't mind seeing that go up to $168 million
22:26 <@Dagmar> Oh, and if a judge assigns a penalty and you don't pay it, you don't have to go through a complex ordeal
22:26 <@Dagmar> You just get another court date and the judge will order assets seized
22:27 <@Dagmar> Carrol literally _could_ wind up owning Mar-A-Lago
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