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05:57 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:58 <@Dolemite> Had to pull the kerosene heater out of retirement this morning.  Brrrr.
06:05 < Evilpig> tell me about it.  something is up with the dog and she's got the shits.  she woke up me three times last night to go out
06:05 <@Dolemite> Yeesh
06:06 < Evilpig> I was not a happy camper about it.
06:08 <@Dolemite> ROFL, someone at Home Depot HQ had fun.   If you search for Ceiling Fans, you'll find a subcategory of 'Big Ass Fans'
06:09 < Evilpig> that's a company name
06:09 <@Dolemite> https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Ceiling-Fans/Big-Ass-Fans/Indoor/N-5yc1vZbvlqZc71Z1z17lgm
06:09 < PigBot> Big Ass Fans - Indoor - Ceiling Fans - Lighting - The Home Depot (at www.homedepot.com) https://tinyurl.com/yutgw5f2
06:09 <@Dolemite> Oh, well still
06:10 <@Dolemite> I need to either put a small fan blowing across the top of this heater to help distribute the heat, or put a cheap ceiling fan up
06:18 < Evilpig> small fan + smart switch + a temp probe somewhere near you
06:18 < Evilpig> automate!
06:19 <@Dolemite> It's a kerosene heater.  It simply spits out massive amounts of heat or it doesn't.   No need to automate that, just distribute it better.
06:20 < Evilpig> you're tossing aside a reason to play with toys.  for shame
06:21 <@Dolemite> I'd rather save my money for other toys, like my materials to cut with my new laser
06:21 <@Dolemite> I need to play around with engraving some powder coated water bottles
06:36 < Evilpig> I have got to make an appointment with the doctor about my hands.  the cold is definitely making the arthritis worse
06:38 < Evilpig> I'm also wondering if this raynaud's syndrome is possibly making it worse too
07:37  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:51 < Evilpig> Dolemite: ping
07:52 <@Dolemite> pong
08:27 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Have you watched Blue Eye Samurai?
08:35 <@Dolemite> If not, DOOOO EEEEEET
08:59 < Evilpig> not yet
08:59 < Evilpig> it's on my list
08:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah it's surprisingly good
08:59 <@Dagmar> A little bird just told me Vandy got ransomwared on Thanksgiving
09:08 <@Dolemite> Little bird say if it was University or Med Center?
09:47 < aestetix> Evilpig: what kind of hard drives do you have in your NAS
09:47 < aestetix> I was looking to get some WD Red Plus
09:47 < aestetix> but I'm seeing some iffy reviews on them
09:48 <@Dagmar> Depends on what you're doing with them as to whether you should care
09:49 <@Dagmar> There's a LOOOOOT of fanboys still screaming about the CMR/SMR bullshit
09:49 < aestetix> I want to make a mini nas for my home
09:49 <@Dagmar> ...and it seems like the less they actually know, the more strident they are about it
09:49 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGi8sPLkLY
09:49 < aestetix> that's the video I was watching
09:49 < aestetix> he is complaining about SMR
09:49 < aestetix> but I'm not sure what the specific issue with SMR is
09:49 < PigBot> Stop Buying WD NAS Drives. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yqmgcwg5
09:50 < aestetix> and my intended use is to download a bunch of stuff like movies and music
09:51 < aestetix> I mean the shingled write technology looked interesting. I guess it could cause issues if you do a lot of rewriting
09:52 <@Dolemite> "The framers excluded the office of President from Section Three purposefully," Trump's legal team wrote. "Section Three does not apply, because the presidency is not an office 'under the United States,' the president is not an 'officer of the United States,' and President Trump did not take an oath 'to support the Constitution of the United States.'"
09:52 < aestetix> Dolemite: I saw that. It was....  a Dick Cheney level absurdity
09:53 <@Dolemite> It's completely bonkers
09:53 < aestetix> Actually Dick Cheney's arguments about the VP not being in the executive were at least creative
09:53 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yeah it could mean disks in an array which are expected to behave identically might actually not behave entirely identically, but folks are acting like this is a guaranteed data loss situation, which hasn't been the case since some _really_ shitty RAID controllers in the 90's
09:53 < aestetix> The Trump argument is just stupid
09:53 <@Dagmar> The Trump argument is actually a fuckin' lie
09:54 <@Dagmar> That's literally the thing they do on the first day when the President is sworn in
09:54 < aestetix> basically I want some drives that I can put stuff on and forget about
09:54 < aestetix> and do plex or whatever from them
09:54 <@Dagmar> They very fuckin' literally swear to "preserve, protect, and defend" the constitution
09:54 <@Dagmar> aestetix: They should certainly be fine with disks marketed for NAS use then
09:55 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I literally have a set with half Seagate and half WD here, and it's actually where my plex volume lives
09:57 <@Dagmar> Unless you've got a really shit RAID controller, the worst-case for using SMR in a RAID array should just be somewhat degraded throughput as one or more of the disks does a thing it would have done ANYWAY
09:57 < aestetix> it's not even really going to be a NAS
09:57 < aestetix> just a few drives mdadmed together on an rpi4
09:57 <@Dagmar> ...and it's unlikely to even show up until you're in a high-write-load scenario
09:58 <@Dagmar> I woudlnt' really trust a YouTube video from a guy who can't reliably string a sentence together
09:58 <@Dagmar> Dumbfuck is actually complaining about pre-fail states being declared becuase they've exceeded their warrantly?
09:58 <@Dagmar> Fuck this flower-shirted moron
10:04 <@Dagmar> Remember kids, the best way to prove yourself an expert on Youtube is to declare something marginal to be absolute shit and never provide an explanation or reasons, because those are for complete chumps
10:05 <@Dagmar> aestetix: If the disks you're looking at really CMR tho (WD has started putting that shit right in the descriptions) then you don't have to worry about that histrionic nonsense
10:05 <@Dagmar> er looking at are really CMR
10:29 < Evilpig> aestetix: I have exos in one array and I thnk wd in the ther
10:43 <@Mirage> i have the "enterprise class" SAS drives in my main NAS, which are essentially the same as the EXOS...but SAS
10:44 <@Mirage> Pretty sure the EXOS are all SATA
11:55 <@eryc> aestetix: i've been happy with these Seagate 18TB Exos X18 ST18000NM000J
12:04 < Evilpig> I just chceked and mine are the smaller version of those.  i've got the 16TB variety.  ST16000NM001G-2KK103
12:05 < Evilpig> The other array is made up of 8TB wd reds which apparently have three different model numbers WD80EFZX, WD80EMAZ, WD80EFBX   
12:17 < aestetix> yeah I'm not a hoarder like Evilpig 
12:17 < aestetix> I think 5TB or even 4 is more than enough lol
12:19 < Evilpig> I think I make efficient use of the space I have available and most folks seem to appreciate my hoarding
12:22 < aestetix> by which you mean they enjoy all the good things you download and don't haze you bad for your 4K 90 day fiance collection
12:22 < aestetix> I mean no judgement
12:23 < aestetix> well maybe a little
12:27 <@eryc> we respect his 90 day fiance collection
12:28 <@eryc> aestetix: i'd get an Exos 16TB or larger - they are cheap
12:28 <@eryc> you can get refurbs even cheaper
12:28 < aestetix> I'm thinking to get two of them and RAID them via mdadm on my rpi4
12:28 <@eryc> but thats risky
12:30 <@eryc> you can get a synology 2 bay for $250
12:30 <@eryc> the synology is pretty nice
12:30 <@eryc> i got mine on ebay
12:31 <@eryc> i got an 8 bay for $934 inc tax and shipping
13:17 <@Dolemite> Or you can take an older PC and run TrueNAS on it for much cheaper
13:17 <@Dolemite> Well, even a new computer would be cheaper, as that's what I did.  
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16:42 <@Mirage> I'm just a scrub...  SEAGATE ST6000NM0034
17:10 <@Dagmar> Yep.  The motherboard I use has six sata ports and I added a cheap additional SATA controller
17:10 <@Dagmar> It wrangles ten drives just fine
17:45 <@Mirage> Been watching this on Netflix and enjoying it.  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13309742/
17:45 < PigBot> Blue Eye Samurai (TV Mini Series 2023) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) https://tinyurl.com/ywc9vjec
18:16 <@Dagmar> It's actually really good.  I was suprised
18:17 <@Dagmar> Well drawn, and the story isn't infantile
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