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06:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:30 < aestetix> I heard that Shadow404 is going to be giving a PhreakNIC talk about anal hooks
06:31 <@Dolemite> Only in your wet dreams
06:34 < nihil> is that like suspension hooks?
06:36 < aestetix> ask Shadow404 
07:38 < Evilpig> Your trade-in refund
07:38 < Evilpig> Hi Wilbur Longwisch,
07:38 < Evilpig> Great news! We have examined the device you submitted for trade-in, and its value either matches or is more than the estimate.
07:38 < Evilpig> Look for a $260.00 refund to your payment method in 2-5 business days (or after your new device ships).
07:53 <@Dolemite> New Pixel?
07:53 <@Dolemite> or rather, Ash's?
07:54 < Evilpig> Replaced her 4xl with an 8pro
07:54 < Evilpig> and they offered $260 on the trade in for her 4.  I figured that was the best offer I'd be seeing on a 4 year old phone that was not going to get any more updates
08:06 < aestetix> hmm
08:06 < aestetix> someone should invite the scientologists to speak at phreaknic
09:30 <@Dagmar> No
09:30 <@Dagmar> Absolutely the fuck not.
09:31 < aestetix> But you could try out their uh metal hand bar things
09:31 < aestetix> whatever they are called
09:31 <@Dagmar> We're not inviting fucking for profit criminals to the goddamn thing
09:31 <@Dagmar> I've personally tried out their "e-Meters"
09:31 < aestetix> oh right e-meter
09:31 <@Dagmar> They tried to recruit me back in like '96 or some shit
09:31 <@Dagmar> There is absolutely nothing trustworthy about their organization
09:32 <@Dagmar> I literally bounced out of that meeting after telling them "Your technology is utter bullshit"
09:32 <@Dagmar> I was looking at something that _at best_ was a skin galvanometer, and it was being used improperly at that
09:32 < aestetix> oh wow how did they try to recruit you
09:33 <@Dagmar> Literally someone saw me on the street and started talking to me about their group.  I didn't realize they had a center on Music Row
09:33 <@Dagmar> I didn't even make the connection as to what group I was talking to
09:33 <@Dagmar> They are _not_ very forthcoming on that point
09:34 <@Dagmar> About 10 seconds after I had my hands on their device I was like, "Oh surely you jest.  These are scientologists"
09:34 < aestetix> my story about them.... it was like 3am after a rave, and for some reason I had a giant jar of apple sauce
09:34 < aestetix> and I happened to pass by the local church of scientology
09:34 < aestetix> the jar of apple sauce went on their door and part of their window
09:35 <@Dagmar> Once I figured out who I was dealing with, it was a good thing they didn't want to argue about me leaving, because I would have plowed some people over
09:36 <@Dagmar> Realizing what they had in mind, putting someone *through* a glass window so that I could then easily exit the building was definitely on the table
09:36 <@Dagmar> I don't care how "nice" someone is about it.  A friendly cult kidnapping is still a fucking kidnapping, and will be responded to accordingly
09:37 < aestetix> ok since you have direct experience with them
09:37 < aestetix> why are so many hollywood celebrities scientologists
09:37 <@Dagmar> Because they have money
09:37 < aestetix> huh?
09:37 <@Dagmar> The organization is a _grift_.  Pure and simple.
09:37 < aestetix> yeah but what do they get in return for giving money
09:38 <@Dagmar> They look for primarily two categories of people:  1. People with a lot of money.  2. People who will believe their shit.
09:38 < oddball> The get adoration and instant connections with the other Hollywood Scientologists.
09:38 < aestetix> right, but if someone has a lot of money, there are a lot of stupid bullshit things they could spend it on
09:38 <@Dagmar> If there's overlap, great, but they're fine with just about anyone from group 2 because selling access to bullshit has very little overhead, and they'll definitely be talking the gullible out of as much money as they can get
09:39 <@Dagmar> ...and that's if they don't find them useful for "fair play".
09:39 < aestetix> I mean do they actually believe the Xenu shit?
09:39 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure since I looked like a thug at the time, I was being picked because I might be useful to commit crimes
09:39 <@Dagmar> Some of them probably do
09:39 < aestetix> or is it like a gentleman's club type thing
09:39 <@Dagmar> Many of them I can't see how they can't possibly know they're engaged in a grift
09:40 <@Dagmar> Do not fuck around if you cross those people
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09:40 <@Dagmar> Respond to _everything_ with as much force as you can muster
09:40 < aestetix> would it be unethical to put LSD in their water supply
09:40 < oddball> I mean... Trovolta still thinks that Battlefield Earth wasn't just a good movie, but an important one...
09:40 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Probably not
09:40 < aestetix> oddball: ok to be fair I've never seen that movie, but I *have* seen the reviews
09:41 <@Dagmar> aestetix: They have a _doctrine_ that basically says if someone is "against" their church, that they can do whatever the fuck they want to them
09:41 < aestetix> like my thought was.... maybe hollywood really is that plastic, shallow, and devoid of meaning that fucking scientology seems deep and fulfilling
09:41 < oddball> I enjoyed it, but my taste in films is... well...
09:41 < aestetix> Dagmar: ok so they can do bad things to 99% of the world lol
09:41 <@Dagmar> aestetix: ...meaning if they think it's useful to blackmail their enemies, they're fine with it.  Character assassination?  Super-effective.  Kidnapping and murder?  Also quite fine because it's all "fair play"
09:42 < oddball> You're probably not wrong about your assesment of Hollywood.
09:42 < aestetix> I wonder when nancy cartright joined. Maybe that would explain why the simpsons started to suck
09:42 <@Dagmar> Make them _fucking terrified_ of you
09:43 <@Dagmar> If they decide you're a problem, they're not goign to stop until you're ruined, so if you think you need to put LSD in their water, cut some brake lines, whatever, you do it
09:43 <@Dagmar> Do it, do it to overkill levels, and don't even hesitate
09:44 <@Dagmar> Fuck those people
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09:44 < aestetix> maybe PhreakNIC could hold a debate between the scientologists and the subgenius
09:44 <@Dagmar> If you think that my stance on them is abnormally harsh, it's because we don't have a lot of large organizations dedicated to something that is objectively evil in every way
09:44 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Again, absolutely the fuck not
09:44 <@Dagmar> There'
09:45 <@Dagmar> There's no "debating" with scientologists
09:47 <@Dagmar> ...and they have a long and rather extensively documented history of unethical and criminal misdeeds performed on behalf of their "church" even at the highest levels.
09:48 <@Dagmar> Actually _kidnapping_ people.  ...and I don't mean just "he's a member of our flock who has strayed" but bag-over-head snatching people
09:48 < oddball> I agree with Dagmar.  Debating with them does nothing but legitimizes their stance.
09:58 <@Dagmar> ...and _needlessly endangers you and yours_.
09:58 < aestetix> damn it my youtube ad blocker stopped working
09:58 < oddball> yep
09:58 <@Dagmar> For much the same reason you don't invite pedophiles to a day care center to talk them out of molesting children
09:59 < Evilpig> unless you're chris hansen
09:59 < aestetix> well actually most of the alleged pedophiles on his show just wanted to talk to the kids
09:59 <@Dagmar> Not even if you're Chris Hansen
09:59 < Evilpig> pretty sure htat was the entire premise for his show
09:59 < aestetix> they were concerned because the kids were left home without parents, and were talking to strangers online about sex
10:00 <@Dagmar> Hansen would recognize that the difference would be that Scientologists would rape the children _and_ you
10:01 <@Dagmar> ...and they would get expensive lawyers involved to get law enforcement to help them buttfuck you.
10:01 < aestetix> I hope it was clear I was being sarcastic lol
10:01 <@Dagmar> Then you need to use an /s tag
10:02 < aestetix> also "well actually"
10:02 <@Dagmar> Probably the only reason Scientology has any new people at all is because the amount of money they spend trying desperately to stay out of the press
10:02 <@Dagmar> They are _evil_ and it's not uncommon for people to forget or just not know just _how_ evil they are
11:27 < Evilpig> ROFL
11:27 < Evilpig> "I'm sorry you lost a finger but that's the price of surprise butt play"
11:51 < Evilpig> I just had a ticket dropped in my lap.  "Connects to one firewall session, it connects, but if opens another tab it logs out of both. User is the only 
11:51 < Evilpig> User prefers to be reached via Teams call, but phone works if necessary
11:51 < Evilpig> running ubuntu"
11:51 < Evilpig> nothing else.
11:51 < Evilpig> subject:  Firewall engineer getting disconnected from firewall sessions
11:57 <@Dolemite> Doesn't sound like a very capable firewall engineer if they can't diagnose their own firewall problem
11:57 <@Dolemite> or am I just being too cynical for a Monday?
11:58 < Evilpig> I think you're directly on point
11:58 < Evilpig> I think you might even see a screenshot appear in your work chat shortly that will lead to a face palm moment
11:58 <@Dagmar> Betcha that they're using a bunch of putty tunnels
11:59 <@Dagmar> There's only so many cookies that can be stored for one hostname
11:59 <@Dagmar> Go over it, and they start rolling off
11:59 <@Dagmar> Either they have a ton of cookies all which appear to use the same hostname because of localhost tunnels, or the firewall web interface is kinda crap
12:00 <@Dagmar> I've run into a similiar issue before with Sonicwalls becasue I do have a shedload of localhost tunnels
12:08 < Evilpig> this dude is just incompetent
12:08 < Evilpig> he's the same clown that is supposed to be upgrading the OS on the vpn firewall to satisfy a vendor support ticket that i've been waiting on for well over two months now
12:31 <@Dagmar> Could be worse
12:31 <@Dagmar> I'm seriously considering letting the vuln scanner have a good long look at a server we're hosting on behalf of some idiots
12:32 <@Dagmar> I'm sure their operation is very profitable considering that we're doing tech support, password resets, calling them _when the server has been down for >8 hours_ and basically everything else
12:32 <@Dagmar> Go to https://hostname, and it works fine.  Go to https://hostname.domain.foo and it comes up 404
12:32 < PigBot> HTTPSConnectionPool(host='hostname,', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: / (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.VerifiedHTTPSConnection object at 0x7f8a0cf3ae10>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name or service not known',)) (at hostname,) 
12:32 < PigBot> HTTPSConnectionPool(host='hostname.domain.foo', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: / (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.VerifiedHTTPSConnection object at 0x7f8a0d2def60>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name or service not known',)) (at hostname.domain.foo) https://tinyurl.com/yud9z2qv
12:32 <@Dagmar> That's some straight up idiot-level work right there
13:15 < Evilpig> nes is back .
13:15 < Evilpig> guess they REALLY didn't like that temporary power set up out there
13:16 < Evilpig> gonna run out to my truck really fast and see if they threw a lockout tag on it
13:56 <@Dagmar> If the power is out and there's a lockout tag, understand that bypassing it may result in some screams
14:01 < nihil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zUPTPlkqDg
14:01 < PigBot> King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Han-Tyumi & The Murder Of The Universe - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/kpwf5xe
15:51 < Evilpig> didn't see any lockout tags but NES was there twice.  guess i'll see tomorrow assuming it isn't raiing
15:51 < Evilpig> from the forecast I may hvae to wait tilwednesday though
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21:41 <@Dagmar> I don't suppose anyone would care to comment on why it makes ANY sense that the location of an empire general who is in theory still quite alive would be _hidden in an ancient crypt with some shiny metal spaceball_
21:50 <@Mirage> The same way an 'ancient' sith dagger would point to the wreckage of the 2nd deathstar on Endor.
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