--- Log opened Wed Jul 26 00:00:14 2023
06:33 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:33 < Evilpig> no
07:33 < Evilpig> it's too early for your shenanigans
07:53 <@Dolemite> It's always time for shenanigans
09:31 < dasunt> How often are you rebooting RHEL for kernel updates?
09:38 < Evilpig> if you're responsible every time you get one
09:38 < Evilpig> if you're me, well... uh.. yeah.  so most of my systems get rebooted with a new kernel.
09:39 < Evilpig> if you're trying to ask how often rhel is seeing a kernel update instead.  I'd say on average every other month
09:44 < Evilpig> https://gist.github.com/wilpig/29d936d84b1a23d033e81284dcf0fcf4
09:44 < PigBot> RHEL8 kernel updates · GitHub (at gist.github.com) https://tinyurl.com/2azsvdkz
09:44 < Evilpig> there's all the dates that my rhel8 server has loaded a new kernel
10:02 < dasunt> Evilpig: Interesting, we are rebooting far more often.
10:06 < Evilpig> I installed the yum-utils package and if it flags as needs reboot after patching it will reboot
10:08 < Evilpig> what I did for that because redhat is so behind.  even though dnf-automatic supports rebooting when needed, their version doesn't
10:09 < Evilpig> I added this to all my rhel boxes
10:09 < Evilpig> # /etc/systemd/system/dnf-automatic.service.d/reboot.conf
10:09 < Evilpig> [Service]
10:09 < Evilpig> ExecStopPost=/usr/bin/postpatch
10:09 < dasunt> So looking at that list, I could say rebooting once a week isn't that unusual.
10:09 < Evilpig> # cat /usr/bin/postpatch
10:09 < Evilpig> #!/bin/bash
10:09 < Evilpig> STATUS=$(/usr/bin/needs-restarting -r)
10:09 < Evilpig> if [[ $? -eq 1 ]]; then /sbin/shutdown -r
10:09 < Evilpig> fi
10:09 < Evilpig> this was the cleanest method I came up with to get it to reboot when actually needed
10:11 < Evilpig> if you can find a way to do that with just the addin for the systemd unit, i'm open to it
10:20 < dasunt> I'm about to commit an abomination with networking scripts, so I am not the person to talk to currently about "clean".
10:21 < Evilpig> I just didn't like having to make a little shell script to reboot.  
10:21 < Evilpig> I've got it all handled with some ansible playbooks to push out, but would be nice to have a simple drop in that just works
10:23 < dasunt> I need to do that for my vhost deployment.
10:27 <@Dagmar> Customer-facting prod systems get reboots for a new kernel once every month or two
10:28 <@Dagmar> Internal/dev stuff just gets that shit the night it comes out
10:28 < Evilpig> I was trying to make sure all my home network stuff was all set up right and it made it easier to spin up and down test boxes
10:29 <@Dagmar> I just threw a script into my mock-ansible stuff so it installs a cron job that checks a file to see if the box is dev or prod, and does the needful each night based on that
10:30 < Evilpig> my ewwbuntu systems reboot on their own when apt needs it.  but the rhel boxes needed that helper
10:32 <@Dagmar> the needs-restarting script is pretty straightforward
10:34 < Evilpig> it is but system-duh wouldn't take /usr/bin/needs-restarting -r && /sbin/shutdown -r as an exec statement in a module definition
10:35 <@Dagmar> Not sure why you still retain _any_ expectations of fitness for purpose there, but okay
10:35 < Evilpig> there wasn't a good way to get it to run any type of shell command like that.  I read the reason why and it escapes me right now.  but I tried ways to get around that and it just didn't work
10:35 < Evilpig> call it juvenile hope
11:15 < Evilpig> good god.  why did I get another of these pickles?
11:15 < Evilpig> It's probably too late to take the peppers out of that jar to keep them from getting any hotter
11:25 <@Dagmar> If they've been in there for more than about three days it'll be like trying to spit out a hit of acid
11:25 <@Dagmar> The damage is already done.  You just should have planned better.
11:26 <@Dagmar> Now begins the season of suffering
11:26 < Evilpig> they've been in there well over a month
11:26 < Evilpig> and no telling how long they were on the shelf before I opened them
11:26 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah.  They've hit max level by now
11:27 < Evilpig> I'd swear they weren't this spicy when I initially opened the jar though
11:52 < Evilpig> sitting here trying to correct all of the latest episodes of spongebob to be correct and this is a giant pain in the ass
11:52 < Evilpig> there's clearly been fighting between the people releasing content and the dickheads that insist on using production codes as the episode order
12:22 < dasunt> So far, I'm liking the z-wave locks.
12:22 < Evilpig> I've been looking at zwave stuff more recently
12:22 < dasunt> PITA to set up, since the pairing distance is ridiculous, but after that, they seem to be working well.
12:23 < Evilpig> got a few projects i'd like to move forward with but just haven't had the time or motivation to get some of the little esp control chips and the like to try some stuff
12:23 < dasunt> Evilpig: As long as you are willing to deal with having a repeater within range, and putting that repeater on an extension cord if needed just to pair, they are good.
12:23 < Evilpig> been looking at this stuff ALOT  https://esphome.io/index.html
12:23 < PigBot> ESPHome — ESPHome (at esphome.io) https://tinyurl.com/2xlctmmx
12:24 < dasunt> At least Kwikset is.  Supposedly, from a lock mechanism, Schlage is better, but considering my door has a glass window above the lock, not *really* concerned that the Kwikset may take a few seconds less to pick.
12:24 < dasunt> ESPHome is supposed to be great, other than it's just wifi, last I heard.
12:24 < Evilpig> when my dad remodeled his house 15+ years ago he put in some windows up near the eaves and at the time they had a remote controlled unit to opne and close them but they wanted some outrageous dollar figure for them and he figured that he'd eventually get them cheap
12:25 < Evilpig> all he needs is a little motor and a worm drive with something to turn it on and off, which I can definitely do with the esphome stuff.  but the z-wave I was looking at some water sensors and things that are premade and well supported
12:26 < dasunt> Zigbee is another decent protocol.
12:26 < Evilpig> the other project he has is, he has a koi pond that needs to be filled occasionally and that could be automated with a float sensor, a timer, and valve
12:26 < Evilpig> combine that with some temp, salinity, etc sensors and get him a good picture of his pond health all automated
12:27 < dasunt> I'm a little peeved that there isn't a cheap ESPHome-like zigbee platform.
12:27 < Evilpig> he also just put in a whole home water softener that needs the filter replaced every X gallons and I managed to pick up a pulse water meter so that too could be easily read instead of going out and checking the dials for when he needs to change out the filter
12:28 <@Dolemite> That's interesting.   I have a water softener and a reverse osmosis water filter...  it's just replaced on a calendar basis.
12:28 < Evilpig> he has several little things that could be done nicely but just need the time to tinker
12:29 < Evilpig> he needed a water meter and I got lucky and someone was selling the meter he wanted but it was the pulse option really cheap on ebay.  he was just gonna cut the lead off the meter and use it regular and I convinced him just just coil the lead in case we want to monitor it later
12:29 <@Dolemite> The water softener we just add salt about every 6 weeks and get it serviced once a year.   Water filter gets new filters every 6 months.
12:30 < Evilpig> https://www.ebay.com/itm/163145499501
12:31 < PigBot> DAE AS250U-100 1 inch Water Meter, Measured in Gallon + Couplings 730707517968 | eBay (at www.ebay.com) https://tinyurl.com/23k85m2e
12:32 <@Dolemite> yeah, but how much is the AMR unit?
12:33 <@Dolemite> Or are you going to count pulses with an arduino?
12:33 <@Mirage> I just use a Digital Water Tester on ours every so often as well as keep an eye on pressure and flow rate for our RO system and change stuff when needed.
12:34 < Evilpig> I was just looking at pulse counting with a dumb sensor
12:35 <@Mirage> Don't have to do much at this house.  The old house needed more maintenance.   The one I put in at my grandma's house needs the pre-filters pretty often because they have old galvanized pipe and the "pre-filters" get pretty funky.
12:35 < Evilpig> I've seen several options for that, but cutting the lead off seemed dumb when you've got the option
12:36 <@Mirage> Also had to swap the 4 gal tank on mine a couple years ago.  Pressure and capacity was shit leading up to replacing that.
12:39 < Evilpig> ummmmm
12:39 < Evilpig> https://www.mccormick.com/frenchs/mustard-skittles
12:39 < PigBot> Mustard Skittles | French's (at www.mccormick.com) https://tinyurl.com/2ymc58ga
12:39 <@Dolemite> yeah saw that yesterday
12:39 < Evilpig> I'd like to remind everyone this is july, not april
12:39 <@Dolemite> According to the article I read, they're real
12:53 <@Dagmar> That is _very_ fucked up
12:53 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure I do not want to eat mustard-flavored skittles
12:53 < Evilpig> but you DO want to buy them and hold onto them for halloween
12:53 < Evilpig> at which point they become hilarious
12:53 <@Dagmar> Sort of like I don't recall even once in my life being tempted to go into the kitchen and just fill a spoon with mustard to eat it
12:54 <@Dagmar> Oh fuck you for thinking of that ebefore me
12:54 <@Dolemite> Only if you open them and sneak them into someone's bowl of candy at the office
12:54 <@Dagmar> ogddamnit 
12:54 <@Dagmar> Now I need to buy some of the damn things
12:56 <@Dagmar> Fuck.  It looks like they're not going to be putting them on shelves but mainly giving them away at pop-ups
12:56 <@Dagmar> There'll be a van in Atlanta on the 31st
12:56 < dasunt> Get to deal with the fuckwit at work.  Yay.
12:57 < dasunt> Best thing is when they don't want to answer, they just ghost you.
12:57 < Evilpig> dasunt: that's mr fuckwit to you
12:59 <@Dagmar> I have entered to win what will hopefully be more than one pack of mustard flavored skittles
12:59 <@Dagmar> ...because the Halloween idea rocks
13:00 <@Dagmar> I was already planning on getting some Bertie Botts to sneak in there
13:01 < Evilpig> I entered as well
13:40 <@Dolemite> Ugh.   Sinead O'Connor died.   I recall she attempted suicide in the past.
13:40 < Evilpig> if at first you don't succeed?
13:40 <@Dolemite> I've been loving her version of the theme song on Outlander this season
13:41 < Evilpig> that has been different
15:06 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V2HQ9JL378
15:07 < PigBot> McConnell freezes in press conference and is unable to finish statement - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/24cupxr8
15:07 <@Dolemite> Damn, and the right wingers like to claim that Biden is feeble minded
15:07 < Evilpig> when you haven't got anything legitimate to jump on you take what you can get
15:15 <@Dagmar> Every column inch they occupy with bullshit is a column inch that can't be used to talk about how much crime Trump has been engaging in
15:15 <@Dagmar> That's literally their game plan right now
15:18 <@Dagmar> ...because let's face it.  Without the GOP acting like a bunch of loons on a daily basis, that's _all_ the papers and news stations would be talking about
15:18 <@Dagmar> There's enough there to keep a small army of lawyers busy just trying to save the careers of the lawyers who were dumb enough to trust Trump not to set them up
15:19 <@Dagmar> Probably the only reason law firms aren't just coming out and saying "FUCK THAT GUY" right now is that they know very well they are legally required to not do so
15:28 < Evilpig> they made a choice that the money was worth the risk.  they bet poorly
15:30 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I'm waiting for the news to start reporting on which legal team has been chosen to represent Trump's former legal team
15:30 <@Dagmar> They're eventually bound to notice that trend
--- Log closed Thu Jul 27 00:00:15 2023