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05:29 < aestetix> so uh
05:29 < aestetix> does nashville have red flag laws?
06:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:58 <@Dolemite> aestetix: No, the Republican supermajority keeps stalling it
06:59 < aestetix> Dolemite: I mean, I guess the question is whether that shooter was on a list
06:59 < Evilpig> https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2022/jun/27/us-sen-hagerty-blasts-red-flag-gun-law/
06:59 < PigBot> Tennessee US Sen. Hagerty blasts new federal 'red flag' gun law, praises Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade | Chattanooga Times Free Press (at www.timesfreepress.com) https://tinyurl.com/2k6a9adu
06:59 < aestetix> Although to be honest, I'm sure there were already warning signs
06:59 < Evilpig> that's old but sums up this state
07:02 < Evilpig> damn cat has been wallowing all over the docking station/port replicator I use for my laptop and managed to get the power cord out, so the laptop drained to near nothing last night and suspended all of my network sessions, etc.
07:03 < Evilpig> looking at my battery history she pulled that feat off last night about 9pm.  
07:06 < aestetix> I am very interested to know if the shooter was on hormones
07:06 < aestetix> That said, it's really quite amazing how differently the left and right are covering the story
07:11 < Evilpig> don't care.  crazy person with guns is still a crazy person no matter what else they are doing in their life
07:13 < aestetix> Evilpig: I agree completely
07:13 < aestetix> My point is that the hormones have not been scientifically studied so much, there should be more research into it
07:13 < aestetix> That should come after the red flag gun laws though
07:20 <@Dolemite> aestetix: So do you think that gender reassignment should automatically red flag someone?
07:22 < aestetix> Dolemite: the question is more on what effects the hormone therapy has on people. So I'd have to go with "no idea"
07:23 <@Dolemite> Because that's where your train of thought would lead - and then the right wing would be doubly happy because they could claim to have compromised on a bipartisan red flag law, but then only apply it in the case of gender reassignment - further marginalizing a group that they seem to have so much hatred for these days.
07:23 < aestetix> And conversely, if the research showed no link, then the right wing arguments would completely fall apart
07:23 <@Dolemite> Wouldn't matter in the red states
07:24 <@Dolemite> They don't trust research
07:24 < aestetix> Oh, so then for that it's less about science and more about politics
07:24 <@Dolemite> FFS, they drive around diesel trucks that have been modified to spew extra soot into the air at the push of a button and then put a sticker on the back that says, "Rolling Coal"
07:25 <@Dolemite> All for the furtherance of harvesting liberal tears
07:25 < aestetix> Now, another possible outcome of such a study that found a link, would be to modify the hormones so they do NOT cause bad stuff to happen
07:25 < aestetix> If the end goal is to stop the violence, which from your argument, seems to not be the case for right wingers
07:26 <@Dolemite> Their goal is to find a way to look like they are solving the problem without affecting their base
07:26 <@Dolemite> That applies to either tribe
07:26 < aestetix> Which is why I hate both sides!
07:27 <@Dolemite> However, occasionally each side does have a good idea.   You can't be against the party just because they are part of a specific party.   You have to look at each proposal/idea individually.
07:27 <@Dolemite> But yeah, 90% of the time it's a competition between two evils
08:01 < aestetix> Unrelated question. I know that Winn Schwartau lives in the area. I know someone in Europe who is trying to buy a copy of his book "Terminal Compromise" but can't find it anywhere
08:01 < aestetix> He wants the hardcover copy, not an ebook
08:01 < aestetix> Any pointers?
08:03 <@Dolemite> Reach out to him on Facebook
08:04 <@Dolemite> or NitTwit
08:05 <@Dolemite> or any of the other places he has his info
08:07 < aestetix> thanks
08:51 < Evilpig> Dolemite: untrue,  they do trust research.  they all do their own research and accept whatever is the opposite is from anyone with subject matter experience because they're all deep state and lieing to the public
08:56 <@Dolemite> Only youtube has the truth...   until they find it and block it, so then they have to go to other video hosting and wordpress sites...
08:59 < Evilpig> that's the deep state again blocking all the real information because it's the truth they don't want you having
09:00 < Evilpig> on another topic, i'm really pleased with how that sonarr/radarr notification script turned out.
09:03 <@Dagmar> Simple solution: Sterilize the GOP 
09:04 <@Dagmar> Something that the media clearly doesn't want to discuss beyond just throwing it out there is that Hale messaged a friend of theirs from high school the morning of the shooting
09:04 <@Dagmar> They told them point blank they were planning on committing suicide that day, and that it would be in the news.
09:05 <@Dagmar> This person attempted to tell 911 and was told to call the Nashville non-Emergency "hotline"
09:05 < Evilpig> put a talking point for crazy in play?  they would never!
09:05 <@Dagmar> Some five hours later they actually spoke with an officer.
09:06 <@Dagmar> If anyone had done shit about it when they were told someone was planning on committing suicide, they would have been rolling out looking for Hale well before she wound up on school grounds
09:06 <@Dagmar> It's not just that they were mentally ill, but that the emergency response systems in place don't fuckin' care about people until a crime is committed, because that might affect a rich person
09:07 <@Dagmar> ...or before a crime is committed when it looks like it might harm a rich person.
09:07 <@Dagmar> Shootings are the symptom
09:08 <@Dagmar> Driving people to suicidal despair and expecting them to quietly go die in a corner somewhere is the problem.
09:08 <@Dolemite> So the answer is to marginalize them even further!
09:20 <@Dagmar> Says who?
09:22 <@Dolemite> Don't Say Gay/Trans
09:22 <@Dagmar> That's just the GOP being dicks, as per usual
09:23 <@Dolemite> Well that's their answer, though.   They were already narrowing down on the trans aspect of the shooter before ANYTHING ELSE.
09:24 <@Dagmar> ...but it's kind of impressive to see the bullshit people are spewing while ignoring the fact that this shooting in particular could probably have been prevented if the call to emergency services hadn't been rejected
09:25 <@Dagmar> Next we should ban all alcohol because of the number of people alcoholism and DUIs kill every year
09:26 <@Dagmar> ...and then we can stop wasting money on treating alcoholism, because there will be no alcoholics.  Only criminals.
09:43 < Evilpig> sounds like the wind is whipping around out there again
10:33 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, what for lunch today
10:33 <@Dolemite> Taco Tuesday is always a winner but I may want something different
10:55 <@Mirage> Guns were at least mostly legally owned and the kids had already been born... not sure what the issue might be for the GOP.
10:56 <@Mirage> If they'd been old enough to vote and join the military I could see why they'd take issue
10:57 <@Mirage> As to the older people...3 less ppl to worry about paying SS to in a few years.
11:19 <@Dagmar> The issue there is that they don't want mental health care (or any health care) to be available for poor people
11:19 <@Dagmar> O
11:19 <@Dagmar> I'm still astonished that this one was preventable
12:10 <@Dagmar> Here's something maybe everyone can get behind... No more gun purchases for people being treated for suicidal ideation 
12:29 < Evilpig> anyone else just get a weird email from jeff wee-eng?
12:30 < Evilpig> I slipped while walking and fell. Next thing I knew, I had broken my right femur, It required surgery.
12:30 < Evilpig> Sent from my iPhone.
12:30 <@Dolemite> Not me
12:30 <@Dolemite> is it asking for donations?
12:31 < Evilpig> haven't heard from him in I can't remember how long and just got that
12:31 < Evilpig> no other context, nothing
12:32 <@Dolemite> I don't see him as someone that *if* he used an iPhone (he had an Android the last time I had dinner with him) that he would leave that "Sent from my iPhone" signature at the bottom.
12:32 < Evilpig> I opened the source and there isn't anything squirrely going on
12:33 < Evilpig> there is one thing....
12:33 < Evilpig> I bet someone has me and him in a contact list and has some malware
12:33 < Evilpig> From: Jeff Wee-Eng <denrsn@att.net>
12:33 < Evilpig> Reply-To: Jeff Wee-Eng <wee-eng1@hotmail.com>
12:33 <@Dolemite> Possibly.   I just texted him to ask.
12:34 <@Dolemite> He said he got a text saying the same thing
12:36 < Evilpig> gotta be malware then.  the source mail server for this was yahoo.com too
12:36 < Evilpig> none of the envelope information here makes sense
12:41 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuTjFcHE2WI
12:42 < PigBot> Geek Love: Ep. 9 -- Mama's Boy: Ladies' Man (Joey) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/2olmqcz7
12:43 <@Dolemite> He did, however, go into AFib and had to be hospitalized and ended up losing his job due to missing too much work (and not being at it 1 year for FMLA to kick in)...  so now he's taking some certification courses because he's tired of racking and stacking
12:59 <@Dolemite> ISC2 Security Congress in Nashville this year...   right before Hallowe'en
13:00 <@Dolemite> If PhreakNIC is happening, there could be some good opportunity for outreach to new folks
13:02 <@Dagmar> Ben was going to ring up the site and inquire about pricing this week.  Don't know anything yet tho
13:13 < aestetix> holy shit
13:13 < aestetix> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/28/us/nashville-school-shooting-tennessee
13:13 < PigBot> Police Say Nashville School Shooter Was Under Doctor’s Care for ‘Emotional Disorder’: Live Updates - The New York Times (at www.nytimes.com) https://tinyurl.com/2qdl49qv
13:14 < aestetix> "Chief Drake said that the shooter had bought seven firearms in all, and had sold one of them."
13:14 < aestetix> What the fuck do you need SEVEN firearms for
13:15 < aestetix> I mean even if you are not a red flag case.... jesus SEVEN guns? Maybe if you're an experienced hunter who has a collection of deer kills or something..
13:16 < aestetix> sorry, I just saw that and was kind of shocked
13:16 < aestetix> Even the NRA can't defend this one
13:16 <@Dolemite> That's a small number compared to many.
13:18 <@Dagmar> Yeah really, it's not that many if someone's going to be collecting them
13:19 <@Dagmar> It's sort of a tradition in TN that everyone who has guns has enough to arm themselves and their neighbors on both sides
13:20 <@Dolemite> I mean, I have 2 (1 rifle and 1 handgun) and my wife has 1.  If I had the money I'd have more - at least a shotgun and a high caliber rifle to add, so that would put us at 5.
13:21 <@Dolemite> Actually, I forgot, my wife also has a small single shot .22 Derringer type, so that means we have 4 already.
13:22 <@Dolemite> Basically you need something cheap to shoot for practice and something bigger (meaning not cheap) to shoot sparingly that would actually be usable for defense.
13:22 <@Mirage> aestetix: IMO it's not the quantity, it's the type.   I've got 9, each of which was bought for hunting either a different thing or under different conditions.  There are plenty of valid reasons to own, 2x .22 rifles, .22 magnum rifle, 7mm magnum rifle, .243 rifle, .410 shotgun, 12g shotgun, etc, etc
13:23 <@Dolemite> And since shooting a handgun is nothing like shooting a rifle which is nothing like shooting a shotgun, you kind of need the cheap/effective duo for them.
13:23 <@Mirage> I personally don't see any reason someone would justify needing an AR-15 or most any other combat-style rifle which would NOT be legal to use for hunting ANYTHING
13:23 <@Mirage> Owning more than one even moreso.  
13:24 <@Mirage> I get that there are a lot of ex-military types that like going out shooting them for sport, but that's really the only justifiable reason to own one.  
13:26 <@Mirage> IMO having to go through an extended background check to buy/own one would be totally justified, but on the other hand I wouldn't be for banning them outright because not everyone that owns one has it for some nefarious reason.
13:26 <@Mirage> The people that have one for the RIGHT reasons shouldn't be overly bothered by having to go through a little more red tape in order to have/buy them.
13:39 <@Mirage> cousin ordered some of this squid jerky from Amazon.  It's really not that bad.  https://www.amazon.com/Bento-Squid-Seafood-Snack-Flavoured/dp/B07X18NPN4/
13:39 < PigBot> Amazon.com : Dried Squid Seafood Pack of 12, Bento Squid Seafood Snack Sweet and Spicy Flavoured - Dried Squid (6g.x12 Bags)) : Everything Else (at www.amazon.com) https://tinyurl.com/2pbvmng2
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14:51 <@Dolemite> After watching the body camera footage from the MNPD officers responding yesterday, I am even more taken aback by how the officers in Uvalde, TX, responded
17:50 < Evilpig> TMNT but with the toxic avenger.  https://store.steampowered.com/app/2303850/Toxic_Crusaders/
17:50 < PigBot> Toxic Crusaders on Steam (at store.steampowered.com) https://tinyurl.com/2jd24g48
18:07 <@jb7od> https://www.donotcall.gov/report.html finally a little time to load this up..
18:07 < PigBot> National Do Not Call Registry (at www.donotcall.gov) https://tinyurl.com/2dtk6val
18:09 <@jb7od> Not always able to truthfully answer 'what about', since I hang up on "Hello. Don't hang up."
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21:15 <@Dagmar> jb7od: Dude, bookmark this.  https://fakenamegenerator.com  When those scum call you, "roll a person" and then just be that person.  Make up details as needed.
21:15 < PigBot> Generate a Random Name - Fake Name Generator (at fakenamegenerator.com) https://tinyurl.com/z52sgu4
22:25 <@jb7od> "No, no, he's not here. My name's Duane, we've only been dating a couple of weeks. Where you know him from? You sound like you're.. you know, foreign." 
22:25 <@jb7od> lool
22:26 <@jb7od> Dagmar, that actually could result some solid gold content
22:27 <@jb7od> "Call a lot of people today? How many is this? Do they yell? Do they call you names? If you need help with what any of them mean, I'm glad to.."
22:57 <@Dagmar> Actually they get pretty upset if you ask what their aunties (that word specifically) will think of them being in jail
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