--- Log opened Wed Feb 01 00:00:42 2023
06:55 < aestetix> https://old.reddit.com/r/EpicClusterfuck/comments/10qhwy7/trump_only_guilty_people_plead_the_fith_also/
06:55 < PigBot> Trump: "Only guilty people plead the fith." - Also Trump: "I plead the fifth." : EpicClusterfuck (at old.reddit.com) https://tinyurl.com/269axny5
06:57 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:12 < Evilpig> I saw that yesterday.  not a surprise
07:46 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Regarding your question about pigbot from yesterday afternoon - are you telling me that you haven't tied him in to Frontier, yet?
07:47 <@Dolemite> He needs a little government controlled supercomputing AI augmentation
07:47 < Evilpig> lol
07:47 < Evilpig> do we really need more government interaction with this channel?
07:48 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, Showtime and Paramount+ merging
07:49 < Evilpig> this will be the year of the streaming mergers
07:49 < Evilpig> which we knew was going to happen
07:49 <@Dolemite> As if last year's butchering of WB/HBOMax wasn't enough
07:49 <@Dolemite> Did you see that Westworld is landing at Roku for rerun streaming?
07:50 < Evilpig> I did not
07:50 <@Dolemite> Yeah, several of the shows that got cut from HBO and removed are moving to Roki/Tubi
07:50 <@Dolemite> Roku
07:52 < Evilpig> shifted a few more animated shows over to the archive directory.  these compress really nicely.
07:52 < Evilpig> Dolemite: did y'all get ice last night?  they canceled school here today
08:00 <@Dolemite> nope
08:48 < NotLarry_> In case no one has seen this.  There are some pets in lbl looking for their forever home... https://www.radionwtn.com/2023/01/31/public-bison-auction-set-at-lbl
08:48 < PigBot> Public Bison Auction Set At LBL | radio NWTN (at www.radionwtn.com) https://tinyurl.com/2938s54t
08:49 <@Dolemite> If you're cold, they're cold.  Bring them inside and warm them up over a nice grill pan.
09:44 < Evilpig> mmmm beefalo
09:47 <@Dolemite> ok, watching The Rookie from this week.   The one obvious crossover with The Rookie Feds didn't happen.  It's a kidnapping - all kidnapping cases go straight to the FBI, but apparently they wanted to fill out the new plot for Tim in the "Metro Crimes" unit.
09:55 < Evilpig> didn't they do a rookie: feds cross over a couple of episodes ago?
09:55 < Evilpig> Dolemite: did you ever check out http://www.thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=387958  ?  
09:55 < PigBot> The Mysterious Benedict Society - TheTVDB.com (at www.thetvdb.com) https://tinyurl.com/256jh52w
09:56 <@Dolemite> they constantly have one guest character in there for stupid reasons - and they missed an opportunity for a logical reason
10:22 <@Mirage> Watching it now makes me really upset that I never saw the music vid for this song before.  https://youtu.be/BuWrg80dXeU
10:22 < PigBot> Edelweiss - "Bring Me Edelweiss" - YouTube (at youtu.be) https://tinyurl.com/2yd7pb3q
10:23 <@Dolemite> How did you escape that in your youth?
10:23 <@Mirage> No mtv?
10:24 <@Dolemite> I didn't have MTV until I moved out but I still saw it when they actually played videos
10:24 <@Mirage> By the time I got cable myself, MTV was no longer worth watching
10:25 <@Dolemite> I likely saw it on VH1, TBH
10:25 <@Dolemite> MTV was mostly rap when I finally got MTV
10:26 <@Mirage> It was mostly shit reality shows when I got it
10:28 <@Mirage> When I hopped on WoW to do fishing dailies one of the guys said "Top o the Morning!", to which I replied "Damnit, now I wanna listen to House of Pain".  This is how far down the rabbit hle that's lead so far.
11:58 <@Dagmar> Anyone else getting some tosser trying to steal their Freenode credentials by making guesses at the password?
12:01 < Evilpig> nope
12:01 < Evilpig> nickserv telling you someone trying?
12:01 <@Dagmar> Yeah Saslserv, about a dozen attempts today and about twice as many last week
12:02 <@Dagmar> All from 91.212.139.234 so I'm surprised they haven't blacklisted the IP
12:03 < Evilpig> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
12:03 < Evilpig> 234.139.212.91.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN	PTR	fiber.by.multifiber.nl
12:04 <@Dagmar> Yeah it's worthless information coming from DNS
12:04 < Evilpig> assuming some fiber home internet customer
12:04 <@Dagmar> Mainly I was concerned it might be from someone tartgeting this channel
12:05 <@Dagmar> Well, that ASN belongs to some rinky-dinky ISP so it's probably a TOR user or someone with a little money just being a blackhat
12:06 <@Dagmar> ...but it could be random, or it could be hte racist fuck who banned me from /r/pics, or it could be the op in #linux who is probably catching some shit because I haven't _said a single word_ in there since he decided to be a bully and ban me over nothing a few weeks back
12:06 <@Dagmar> I had him on ignore because he's a dick who generally loves to start drama and accuse me of making shit up about my experience level
12:07 <@Dagmar> ...and then I told a user their plan was insane (because it was, and jim knows I _always_ follow up with explaining why and getting them pointed in the right direction) and since he "couldn't warn me" he decided to just ban me
12:08 <@Dagmar> So, despite how many people in there I _was_ helping every day, that's a vanity channel for me now
12:08 <@Dagmar> Until whatever time I decide not to give a shit about that dumbfuck again
12:08 <@Dagmar> Ops should never be bullies
12:08 <@Dagmar> The dude was in the ignore list after _many_ repeated attempts at starting fights with me, so fuck him
12:09 <@Dagmar> He can demand special treatment because he's an op all he wants.  I give zero fucks.
12:10 <@Dagmar> If/when I resume in that channel, if that asshole pulls one more stunt, I'm going to go talk to the person who was inviting me to _be_ an op in #linux
12:10 < aestetix> elon musk protected his twitter account
12:10 <@Dagmar> Right now the leading reason is probably "random hax0r shit"
12:10 < aestetix> Given that he has 123 million followers, not sure how protected that actually is
12:10 <@Dagmar> aestetix: protected from what
12:11 < aestetix> I don't know
12:11 <@Dagmar> ...and, I hate to be a bother, but when did we start giving a shit about that overly-rich buffoon?
12:11 < aestetix> Maybe someone made fun of his cybertruck and he got pissy
12:11 < aestetix> I think it's hilarious
12:12 <@Dagmar> Ooohh I see
12:12 <@Dagmar> What a dumbass
12:12 < aestetix> like twitter.com/elonmusk shows protected, nobody can read it
12:12 <@Dagmar> He's taken his account _private_ basically
12:12 < aestetix> unless you're one of his 123 million followers
12:13 <@Dagmar> Well, he won't be getting any _more_ followers, but just as certainly, he probably thinks this will stop shareholders in Tesla from placing sell orders over his perpetual shitposting and buffoonery
12:13 < aestetix> I mean does it make sense to have a private account with 123 million followers
12:13 < aestetix> that's like if the US published classified information in the newspaper and then told everyone not to read it
12:15 < Evilpig> just stops rando's from verifying shit posts
12:15 < Evilpig> seems like the opposite of what you'd want to do if you weren't doing stupid things
12:23 <@Dagmar> WEll, it stops randos from _seeing_ his shitposts
12:25 <@Dagmar> Like, unless you're already following him, you _can not_ see _any_ of his Tweets
12:26 <@Dagmar> ...which means he no longer has to tolerate being called out on his bullshit by 3/4 of the planet
12:27 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPNwJAcMH5U
12:27 < PigBot> Jordan Klepper vs. Trump Supporters Who Think He's Still President | The Daily Show - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/27hqa9gy
12:33 < Evilpig> with clickbait sites picking them up?  randos will see them still
12:35 < Evilpig> just what on earth did you post to reddit to get banned anyway?
12:35 <@Dagmar> Hell you can see it in my post history
12:36 <@Dagmar> It was _nothing_ but unfortunately it triggered some overly-woke asshat
12:38 <@Dagmar> Basically, do you remember when the crazy 87 year old asian dude shot up the dance hall?  (The first one of those incidents that week(
12:38 <@Dagmar> Like two days later, they're doing the Lunar new year thing, and someone's set up a giant projector to display a big "FUCK WHITE SUPREMACY" thing on the side of a building
12:39 <@Dagmar> ...which really seems like it might be a commentary on that shooter
12:39 <@Dagmar> Now, I know they had some issues last year with random assaults by assholes, some of which who were legitimately white supremacists but most were just garden-variety racists, but...
12:40 <@Dagmar> I commented to another user that I wasn't sure that's what this was about because the shooter was definitely an old asian dude and highly unlikely to be a white supremacist
12:40 <@Dagmar> Some woke dipshit comes up talking about how we don't know enough to know that it _wasn't_ white surpremacy
12:40 <@Dagmar> Like, what the fuck man
12:41 <@Dagmar> I'm like, no, it's actually pretty ridiculous to state that, because that would be a guilty-until-proven-innocent kind of thing and we still have no reason to believe that's anything to do with the shooting, becuase again, the guy is asian
12:42 <@Dagmar> This dude wants to keep arguing because he apparently thinks that _any_ kind of racial supremacy argument is perfectly okay to conflat with white supremacy, and I think that's not only stupid, but divisive and _racially discriminatory_
12:42 <@Dagmar> s/conflat/conflate/
12:42 <@Dagmar> ...and you know how that shit goes
12:42 <@Dagmar> You argue with a member of the over-woke mafia and they accuse you of being that very thing
12:43 < ShellGh0st> Has anyone used a Wifi Pineapple?  
12:44 < ShellGh0st> Got sent one as a bday present, not sure what to do with it yet.  It won't be here till Thursday.
12:44 < ShellGh0st> I'm sure I can figure it out and have fun. :)
12:44 <@Dagmar> So, I got banned from /r/pics for demanding someone _not_ try and drum up blame for white supremacists because that's fuckin' stupid
12:44 <@Dagmar> ...and here's the icing on the cake and hte reason I'm taking this back up again in 30 days
12:45 <@Dagmar> WHatever little coward moderator did it sents _this_ message when he did it, knowing it would be anonymous: "A self-identified white supremacists. It's so nice when you guys do the IDing for us."
12:46 <@Dagmar> ...and basically, I'm going to take it up with Reddit as to whether or not _that_ kind of shit is tolerated of moderators, because _that_ definitely violates the policies of /r/pics and Reddit as a whole
12:48 < ShellGh0st> omg! Sounds fun! Sorry... didn't realize you were mid rant.  This is the only social media I use anymore, and I feel a lot better than I did before I stopped. :)
12:48 <@Dagmar> I'm really about sick of the goddamn social-justice terrorism that's going on
12:48 < ShellGh0st> I got banned from Startrek Shitposting on Facebook for some similar stuff.
12:48 < ShellGh0st> bitd
12:49 <@Dagmar> Like, that's _two_ dudes who shot up dancehalls in a week, both old, both asian.  *Maybe* it's time to look into whether or not there's a culture of absolutism going on at those places that needs to be encouraged to _relax_ a bit
12:50 <@Dagmar> ...but if you just up and blame "white surpremacy" or "communism" or "urban decay" or whateverr, you don't ever have to consider if maybe there's some other work that can be done
12:50 <@Dagmar> Not to mention we know that overblowing the impact those dipshits have just causes more violence, not less
12:51 <@Dagmar> It encourages the white surpremacists, and encourages non-whites to treat all whites as if they were white surpremacists which is entirely divisive and counter to the whole idea of everyone getting the fuck along
12:51 < ShellGh0st> I replied to a post tht said "Nerdy white dudes don't like strong female characters in Star Trek." to disagree and they were like don't #notallmen us and it got out of control fast
12:52 <@Dagmar> I would not let anyone start broad-brushing "black people" for this very same reason, but you can _bet_ any social justice terrorist would call me a white surpremacist just for defending white people in any capacity
12:52 <@Dagmar> ...but personally, if you call me a racists or a white surpremacist to my face, _expect trouble_}
12:53 <@Dagmar> My family moved away from Columbia and away from the support of the extended family in part so that me and my brother would _not_ grow up to be racists like the rest of them
12:53 <@Dagmar> ...and it worked.
12:53 <@Dagmar> I didnt' even know what the fuck racism was until I was like 12
12:53 <@Dagmar> So, "we" went to a lot of trouble to avoid that shit, and I'm not tolerating anyone trying to say I'm a racist
12:54 <@Dagmar> Like, literally as a kid, me and my brother would spend a week with our grandmother in Columbia (which is incredibly racist) each summer, and shit would happen that just baffled us
12:55 < ShellGh0st> Columbia TN?
12:55 <@Dagmar> Like, the idea of going to a public pool came up, and our grandmother said we shouldn't go to the YMCA pool because "black people go there" and we were like wtf.  That doesn't make any sense
12:55 <@Dagmar> Yeah, until the 90's when they added new exchanges the place ahd two phone exchanegs
12:55 <@Dagmar> If your number started with 388 you were white
12:56 <@Dagmar> If your number started with 389 you were black
12:56 < ShellGh0st> lol
12:56 < ShellGh0st> I like Mule Day
12:56 <@Dagmar> Those numbers were literally allocated by neighborhoods and almost 100% selected by color
12:56 <@Dagmar> Racist.  As.  Fuck.
12:56 <@Dagmar> Growing up to me and my brother it was just fuckin' baffling
12:56 < ShellGh0st> I was at Mule Day once and I asked my friend "What are mules good for now?" and we couldn't come up with an answer
12:57 < ShellGh0st> good for when the world runs out of gas
12:57 < ShellGh0st> Columbia TN has the best mules in the world
12:59 <@Dagmar> THey're good for making a lot of poops on the street
12:59 <@Dagmar> ...although I can definitely see where Mule Day would be funny to witness becuase it's complete overkill
12:59 < ShellGh0st> yeah racism doesn't make sense when you're first exposed to it
13:00 < ShellGh0st> have to brainwash that crap into everybody :)
13:00 <@Dagmar> Like, it's astonishing that there are even that many mules _in the entire state_
13:01 < ShellGh0st> lol
13:01 < ShellGh0st> they can't reproduce
13:01 < ShellGh0st> almost as big as a horse and more stubborn than a donkey
13:01 <@Dagmar> Jesus I should just block more people on reddit
13:02 <@Dagmar> SOme other tosser is wanting to hand wave a spooky tale about Comcast and other broadband providers possibly jacking up the TTL of DNS records in transit
13:02 <@Dagmar> "Knowing that Comcast and similar broadband providers exist, and still expecting that TTL to play out as 5 minutes across the whole internet, is something very different."
13:02 <@Dagmar> Fuck no
13:02 <@Dagmar> No one does that shit
13:02 <@Dagmar> ...because it's insane
13:03 <@Dagmar> ANyone tryign to extend the TTL of cached records is just looking to get fired
13:03 <@Dagmar> ...and I'd sure as fuck have seen it by now if anyone bigger than two /24 networks were doing it
13:04 <@Dagmar> I hate it when people try to use handy wavy bullshit to back up their insane assertions about network behavior
13:05 <@Dagmar> Just because some of "you lot" (not speaking of the people in here) aren't smart enough to understand DNS doesn't mean the rest of us are that dumb
13:05 <@Dagmar> DNS just isn't that fuckin' hard
13:06 <@Dagmar> The whole thread is because Rackspace apparently shifted a bunch of customers visible addresses to a different netblock, breaking the fuck out of everyone's SPF and somehow their DKIM as well
13:06 <@Dagmar> ...with the end result being the poster had a really fun time of waiting for the fucking TXT records to expire because Rackspace was also managing their DNS and had a TTL of a full fuckin' day on those records
13:14 <@Dagmar> gawwwd
13:14 <@Dagmar> Ben came up with some pretty opbvious phishing thing at yofam.z13.web.core.windows.net (you can go there and see how sus it looks) and me being the kind of guy I am wanted to see just how far that bullshit went
13:15 <@Dagmar> So, I type in an obviously asshole email address... 'mynuts@areverylarge.net' just to see what it does
13:15 <@Dagmar> It asks for a password.
13:15 <@Dagmar> I report back "Yeah there's like no way this is legit, microsoft-owned domain or not." and paste the screenshot without even thinking
13:17 <@Dagmar> Like, one URL for a 560Mb PDF file?  Nah... I'm not buying it
13:21 < NotLarry_> First time I've read comments in a long time... https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/10qxyxq/things_you_can_say_during_coding_and_sex/
13:21 < PigBot> Things you can say during coding and sex?? : ProgrammerHumor (at old.reddit.com) https://tinyurl.com/2bzgwbka
13:24 <@Dagmar> I suspect maybe this is the key difference between a white hat and a grey hat
13:24 <@Dagmar> A white hat person will be polite and clinical in analysing failed attacks
13:24 <@Dagmar> A grey hat is usually pissed off about them
13:44 < Evilpig> I got a phish of sorts yesterday via paypal and the thing was legit generated by paypal
13:44 <@Dagmar> Yeah I figure someone's abusing a hosted sharepoint site for htat one
13:44 < Evilpig> some random assclown sent me an invoice for mcaffee something or other and it made it look like I owed something
13:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah I've gotten a few of those through Quicken
13:45 <@Dagmar> They were just fraudulent charges
13:45 < Evilpig> so the email was from paypal, it was eveyrthing legit but it had fine print saying if I didn't buy anything don't do anything with this
13:45 < Evilpig> what I found irritating is there isn't any way inside of paypal to report that as fraud
13:46 < NotLarry_> I just got the best email from outside the organization telling me that the organization has changed training providers and to go to this link (of course, obscured by safelink) and use my organization credentials to see my required organization cyber security training...
13:46 <@Dagmar> You oughtta see the bullshit mail I got from the payment processor for the HOA fees last year
13:46 < Evilpig> you clicked it immediately, right?
13:46 < NotLarry_> The problem is that the email is likely legit.
13:47 <@Dagmar> A random email from someone I didn't recognize, with a questionable subject line, _no_ message body, and a sketchy looking PDF attached
13:47 <@Dagmar> I pulled it up in a VM and opened it with a text editor or I would never have known it was legit
13:47 <@Dagmar> I sent them a howler over that amateur hour bullshit
13:47 < ShellGh0st> We have people redteaming us for spearphishing, sometimes they stilll get me.
13:48 <@Dagmar> They would not like me
13:48 < ShellGh0st> with things just like that
13:48 <@Dagmar> If something makes me mad enough i'll bot-bomb their submission location with garbage
13:50 < ShellGh0st> But also if someone does some sketchy crap for a "legitimate" reason, it just gets forwarded to phishing and they learn I guess.
13:54 <@Dagmar> Her'es some other amateur hour bullshit
13:54 <@Dagmar> One of our vendor companies has a thing that interacts with tablets to do signature stuff
13:56 <@Dagmar> They have in their website a link to tablet.sigwebtablet.com:someportnumber which _they_ think should be intercepted to go to a local service at 127.0.0.1 by the hosts file
13:56 <@Dagmar> Except that's a real damn URL so they're basically DDoSing their own vendor
13:57 <@Dagmar> It also slows down the page load times
13:57 <@Dagmar> ...because the rest of the page load is _blocked_ by that references
13:58 <@Dagmar> If they're going to redirect a connection to localhost like that they should just use an invalid domain, or oh I dunno use fuckin localhost to begin with
14:41 < ShellGh0st> I have Android async blues
14:41 < ShellGh0st> I've had them for a while
14:41 < ShellGh0st> I learned Kotlin and it didn't help :)
14:42 < ShellGh0st> hacking through a codebase where everyone used their own version of half understood async-concurrent patterns
14:43 < ShellGh0st> and like 8 ppl worked on it
14:43 < ShellGh0st> and it's sometimes unstable and leaks contexts ;)
14:44 < ShellGh0st> I have googled "pile of mess, how to fix" but got no good answers
14:44 < ShellGh0st> but I have seriously been thinking about and studying the problem for a couple of months on and off
14:44 < ShellGh0st> and I took a class about it 10 years ago
14:44 < ShellGh0st> specifically THIS
14:44 < ShellGh0st> but it's just... alot
14:44 < ShellGh0st> :)
14:45 < NotLarry_> Can't tell if landlord is being helpful with the rent reiminder or is so broke they really need the rent payment right now.
14:45 < ShellGh0st> I get a 4 day grace period here, sometimes that is super helpful.
14:47 <@Dagmar> EVeryone in Tennessee gets a 5-day grace period, as stipulated by state law
14:48 <@Dagmar> So long as you pay by the 5th no late fees can legally be assessed
14:48 <@Dagmar> I had a brief issue with my last landlady, but not a bad one
14:48 < ShellGh0st> that's good to know
14:48 <@Dagmar> THey called me to tell me they had been forgetting to deposit my checks
14:48 <@Dagmar> So they had four of them
14:48 < ShellGh0st> I did not know, thought they were being nice
14:49 <@Dagmar> I told them "That's okay because I don't really look to see if they're deposited either but i'm sure the money is in there"
14:49 <@Dagmar> Then they were like, "hey... we're noticing something here... all these checks are sequentially numbered"
14:49 < ShellGh0st> haha
14:50 <@Dagmar> I'm like, "Yep.  You're the only people I write checks to anywhere."
14:50 <@Dagmar> I was late once because I was a spaz and when she dropped by I was like "Well, by way of apology, here's next month's rent, too"
14:50 <@Dagmar> NMice lady
14:51 < ShellGh0st> My rent is ridiculous now. What I thought was a decent personal income in the 90s is now wht you pay for rent. :)
14:52 <@Dagmar> That's the result of a decade's worth of property management companies insisting everyone raise rent by 10% every time
14:52 <@Dagmar> I kid you not
14:53 <@Dagmar> That is the exact policy of the largest property management company in Tennessee and has been so since the 90s
14:53 < ShellGh0st> Yeah I was just about to say that they raise it more than 10% every year
14:53 <@Dagmar> Yes, it is absolutely unsustainable
14:53 <@Dagmar> Well, if your'e doing a two year lease it'll obviously be 20% under their care
14:54 <@Dagmar> It's the "slow-boiling frog" method of tenant management
14:54 < ShellGh0st> They raised it 21% and some change last year
14:54 < ShellGh0st> just figured it out in bc
14:54 < ShellGh0st> :)
14:55 < ShellGh0st> for a one year lease
14:55 < ShellGh0st> they said "Inflation adn rising rents" when I asked them why
14:56 < ShellGh0st> and I wanted to be like, you are causing inflation and rising rents, JUST STOP
14:56 < ShellGh0st> but I didn't want to move all my stuff somewhere else so I shut up and pay the higher rent
14:56 <@Dagmar> "We're raising your rent because of raising your rent!"
14:57 <@Dagmar> Yes, that's how you boil a frog
14:57 <@Dagmar> You keep raising their rent until they're too broke to move
14:57 <@Dagmar> ...or too broke to stay and they go into hock so they can afford to move
14:57 < ShellGh0st> Well at least I make a lot of money
14:58 < ShellGh0st> they used to say your rent should be one fourth of your income
14:58 <@Dagmar> I would try to find somewhere else to live
14:58 < ShellGh0st> and my income was modest and I was like what kind of broke ass person spends ONE FOURTH of their income on rent
14:58 <@Dagmar> That's money that you "can afford" probbaly becasue you're not thinking about retirement that much
14:58 < ShellGh0st> and now I make a decent income
14:58 <@Dagmar> That should be _your_ accumulated wealth, not theirs
14:58 < ShellGh0st> and spend one fourth on rent
14:59 < ShellGh0st> yes I agree
14:59 < ShellGh0st> I'm just saying, shit is crazy for many renters right now :)
14:59 < ShellGh0st> boiling us slow
14:59 <@Dagmar> Corporate greed
14:59 <@Dagmar> i.e., paper vampires
15:00 < ShellGh0st> I'm too lazy to hop out of the pot and live in an RV
15:00 <@Dagmar> A corporation is typically just a legal vehicle for separating financial interests from human interests
15:00 <@Dagmar> ...which means what remains is not remotely humane.
15:00 < ShellGh0st> I'm not like Glytch, can't just build a van/hacker lab/house
15:00 <@Dagmar> Yeah but you can yell at local politicians about rent control before all their constitents are fuckin' bankrupt
15:00 < ShellGh0st> yeah yeah
15:01 < ShellGh0st> It's their rents
15:01 <@Dagmar> It's what needs to happen
15:01 < ShellGh0st> like Megan Barry
15:01 < ShellGh0st> they want us to keep boiling
15:01 < ShellGh0st> Jared Kushner
15:01 < ShellGh0st> our buddies
15:01 <@Dagmar> Literally every property management firm in town has been raising rents _far_ over what inflation would call for
15:02 <@Dagmar> ...and at some point, it'll all come crashing down.
15:02 <@Dagmar> ...although it's pretty fuckin' close right now
15:02 <@Dagmar> The economy would have shredded itself without all the COVID money pouring from the sky
15:02 < ShellGh0st>  I'm seriously pondering some kind of radical solution.  Like moving to Oak Ridge.
15:02 <@Dagmar> With roughly half the people being one paycheck away from being broke, all it would take is a 10-day bout of COVID to put them in hock
15:03 <@Dagmar> ...and they get into that position because of the gallping rent increases eating away at what savings they had
15:03 <@Dagmar> They move when they're almost out of money, but never manage to gain ground because again, even the cheaper place is raising rents at a boiling frog pace
15:04 <@Dagmar> It sounds like crazy talk, but it's exactly the sort of problem a government is supposed to _solve_.  
15:04 <@Dagmar> Literally stabilizing the economy so that people don't live like fucking slaves
15:05 < ShellGh0st> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFPhsO-2W0
15:05 <@Dagmar> ...but when politicians _don't_ do that, you wind up in a terrible state of affairs with high crime rates
15:06 < PigBot> Honest Government Ad | the Rental (& Housing) Crisis - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/2l7jh2em
15:06 <@Dagmar> Yeah, they have to do something or their economy will burn to the ground in one generation
15:06 <@Dagmar> They'll be right back to "company towns" and everyone being pretty close to being a serf
15:07 <@Dagmar> We're not too far from that here
15:13 <@Dagmar> By the way, the government and financial industry thinks it's okay for a _third_ of your income to go towards rent
15:13 <@Dagmar> They typically won't let you sign a lease if you don't make 3x the rent because it's considered predatory lending
15:13 <@Dagmar> ...since a lease is written up like you took out a loan for the full year and you're paying them back in installments
15:13 < ShellGh0st> and then the gov't get's a third and the the financial institution can loan me the money I need to live
15:14 <@Dagmar> I do look forward to seeing the home lending companies taking it in the pants very soon
15:15 <@Dagmar> When they started using buying homes to _rent_ as speculative vehicles because of the low government interest rates to get that money to make hte loans, they set up a massive failure cycle
15:15 <@Dagmar> It's viable when only a _little_ of that is going on
15:15 <@Dagmar> When it's the norm, it becomes a financial collapse waiting to happen
15:16 <@Dagmar> There's going to be a _lot_ of properties going vacant because the price of the monthly note on the propertly, plus the interest, will mean that rent has to be way past what anyone makes in the area
15:19 < ShellGh0st> Back to android async death camps for me!  bbl
15:19 <@Dagmar> Expect that quite a lot of these will wind up being repackaged by underwriters who will attempt to pull the same stunt as what happened in 2008
15:19 <@Dagmar> ...because they weren't allowed to fail, they'll just repeat the cycle
19:39 <@Dagmar> Oh shit _Prince Namor_
19:53 <@Dagmar> Those Wakandan girls are so awesome
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