--- Log opened Thu Jan 19 00:00:30 2023
06:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:32  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:51 < aestetix> so uh, is there gonna be a debt ceiling fight in congress today?
06:51 <@Dolemite> Today, tomorrow...  however long they can drag it out
06:52 < aestetix> But if they don't raise it today, doesn't that cause a big crash?
06:52 <@Dolemite> Eh...   it's debatable.
06:53 <@Dolemite> It's likely going to cause stocks to plummet today
06:53 <@Dolemite> But when they finally come to an agreement, they'll soar
07:00 < aestetix> so basically, this is a great time to buy stock
07:01 <@Dolemite> It's a big gamble, but yes, there will be a knee jerk reaction on Wall Street
07:01 <@Dolemite> I myself have made some good money on knee jerk reactions
07:54 < Evilpig> the next set of velma episodes have not improved
07:54 < Evilpig> not that I figured they would, but damn this is just bad
07:54 < aestetix> man
07:54 < aestetix> planks are fucking hard
07:57 <@Dolemite> Haven't watched that yet, but tried out the new Night Court.  It was ok.   Has potential.
08:00 < Evilpig> I plan on checking that out and the 90s show here in a bit
08:07 <@Mirage> Already started it
08:08 <@Dolemite> I will most likely load it up on a tablet for viewing on my cruise at the end of Feb
08:09 <@Dolemite> Pamela likes to chill out and read books.   I like to binge watch.
08:09 < aestetix> You're going on a big cruise and you're just gonna binge watch tv?
08:09 <@Dolemite> no, I won't "just" binge watch tv
08:09 <@Dolemite> But there is downtime
08:11 <@Dolemite> I'll do plenty of drinking and hot tubbing and drinking and eating and show attending and drinking
08:12 <@Dolemite> But I am not a "sit in the hot sun and bake" person.   I love sitting on the balcony, but when the sun gets to the point of hitting you directly, I turn into a vampire and go inside and pull the curtains.
08:12 <@Dolemite> oh, and there may be some gambling and drinking mixed in there.   Haven't decided on the gambling for this trip yet.
08:34 <@Mirage> bastards replaced the washer w/ a white one in the basement
08:43 < NotLarry> Dolemite: Did we watch the same Night Court?
08:49 < Evilpig> the ending of the first episode of night court says.....  yeah I think they kept some of the feel
08:57 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: I didn't claim it was great, just ok.
09:49 < aestetix> Looks like the US just hit the debt ceiling
09:49 < aestetix> I wonder what happens now
09:55 <@Mirage> The GOP goes down w/ the ship while proclaiming that it's all the fault of the Dems
09:57 < aestetix> I know a great way to reduce the budget
09:57 < aestetix> Withdraw from Iraq
11:08 <@Mirage> Got a training class next week and the wife informed me last night that her rescheduled colonoscopy redo is going to be monday.   joy..
11:08 < Evilpig> fun!
11:09 < Evilpig> taking your laptop to attend class while she gets roto rooted?  or calling her an uber?  rofl
11:09 <@Mirage> I've taken the NSX-T class for a previous version as well as the old NSX-V class, so I don't think missing half the first day will mess me up too much.  Will just have to play catch-up on the install lab
11:14 <@Mirage> This makes no sense.  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alec-baldwin-charged-manslaughter-fatal-shooting-set-rust-d-says-rcna7189
11:14 < PigBot> Alec Baldwin to be charged with manslaughter in fatal shooting on the set of 'Rust,' DA says (at www.nbcnews.com) https://tinyurl.com/2loomun6
11:15 <@Mirage> The reporting is shit at best because it says "two counts of involuntary manslaughter", but only one person was killed.  It also states that the director was wounded but no charges are coming from that.
11:21 < Evilpig> did that 90s show folks get some of the writers from that 70s show?
11:22 <@Mirage> If not then I'd say the writers were either big fans or binged that 70's show for ideas
11:24 < Evilpig> i'm only a few minutes in but I like it
11:24 < Evilpig> it definitely has the same vibe which is great
11:41 < Evilpig> nice.  I see from the season preview they even got tommy chong to reprise leo
11:41 <@Mirage> yeah
11:42 <@Mirage> and he ruined clerks, but in a good way
11:42 <@Mirage> I'm stuck on ep7 thanks to having to pause for a meeting
11:42 <@Mirage> damn work.
11:43 < Evilpig> starting #2 now
11:43 < Evilpig> but I have a meeting starting in 15 myself
11:44 <@Dagmar> Damn there's some folks at RHEL that need a good slappin
11:45 <@Dagmar> 9.x is kind of a shitshow for virtualization
11:45 <@Dagmar> What's the fuckin' point of shipping packages where the defaults are all broken
11:46 <@Mirage> Support Contract revenue/
11:46 <@Dagmar> Apparently
11:46 <@Dagmar> I can't even get the damn thing to boot it's own install iso without a kernel panic
11:47 < Evilpig> I have 9 running virtual in box proxmox and vmware without issue
11:47 < Evilpig> you sure you dind't just get a bad iso download?
11:47 <@Dagmar> Nah I've checked that
11:50 <@Dagmar> Now I've got it booting after changing a bunch of stuff one at a time, now rolling them back ... it refuses to fail again
11:52 <@Dagmar> Somehow they knackered the qemu64/kvm64 CPU type
11:54 <@Dagmar> Ah I see.  This is more of that snooty x86-64 v2 support bullshit
12:10 <@Dagmar> Christ I may well convert this box over to proxmox because their build of the libvirt packages are just plain shitty
12:10 <@Dagmar> My half-assery of the same for Slackware was less problematic than this
12:11 <@Dagmar> Up until this release, libvirtd and virt-manager have "just worked"
12:11 <@Dagmar> ...but they shipped the thing without support for spice displays, but with the default configuration still using htem
12:11 <@Dagmar> I can see how it's fucking up the CPU types now
12:22 <@Mirage> Heh, they updated the balwin headlines to also indicate that the armorer is included in the charge..which I guess is how they came up with 2 charges
13:07 <@Mirage> Evilpig: needed more than just 10ep
13:24 <@Mirage> "Cunk on Earth" starts off being informative and amusing...then, to me at least, becomes overpoweringly stupid and annoying to the point that anything even mildly informative is completely overshadowed by it.
13:38 <@Mirage> Network chick was bitching in a meeting about "all this 1900 traffic from vm's in the environment." And how she "doesn't understand why this all these machines are trying to reach the network using a printer port."
13:40 < Evilpig> I got up to kitty going to leo's and had to pause it for back to back meetings
13:40 <@Mirage> She shut up when I pointed out that it's not a 'printer port', but Upnp which is used for discovery of a miriad of things besides just printers and that it should just be blocked at the edges and ignored otherwise unless they want to go through the hassle of disabling it on everything
13:41 <@Mirage> Kitty is still just about the best part of the show.
13:45 < Evilpig> red still cracks me up
13:45 <@Mirage> Sharper Image...
13:57 <@Dagmar> Yeah fuckit this is too much of a mess to deal with RHEL fuckery
13:57 <@Dagmar> I'm converting my vmhost to proxmox this evening
13:58 < Evilpig> I think you'll like proxmox.  I know myself, dolemite, and notlarry all do
13:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah there's definitely plenty of people using it
13:58 <@Dagmar> I just liked the _simplicity_ of virt-manager, but that's gone now
13:58 <@Dagmar> RHEL is trying to push people to use Cockpit and fuck that
13:59 <@Dagmar> Half of the stuff in it is least-effort code and the rest is worse
13:59 <@Dagmar> I'm just goign to assume it'll be fine with assigning logical volumes as disks
14:00 <@Dagmar> ...since that's a fairly freakin' rational thing to do
14:00 < Evilpig> that works,  one of the older versions of proxmox you'd want to go in and blacklist the vm volumes to prevent duplicate mounts
14:01 <@Dagmar> I don't intend the host to be mounting them at all
14:01 < Evilpig> lvm automounts things
14:01 <@Dagmar> THat was a terrifying issue with some older RHEL stuff
14:01 < Evilpig> or at least scans them
14:01 <@Dolemite> Yeah, proxmox is quite nice.   Love it.
14:01 <@Dagmar> lvm doesn't scan within physical volumes or within logical volumes unless you tell it to now
14:01 <@Dagmar> That was literally the bug
14:02 < Evilpig> that was several years ago
14:02 <@Dagmar> Since I was using the same vg name in a bunch of places it got very confused and I wound up with some kleinfs shit going on
14:03 <@Dagmar> All my vm disks are under a pair of vgs which are fairly unimaginatively named 'storage01r5' and 'storage02r5'
14:13 < Evilpig> I had to go digging but it looks like lvm volume duplication/whatever hasn't been a problem since proxmox 4 and it was solved then by editing lvm.conf and putting in a filter to prevent the host from seeing the guest volumes
14:13 < Evilpig> and we're on proxmox 7 now
14:13 <@Dagmar> Yeah the host won't ever look inside the logical volumes in the current iterations of lvm
14:16 <@Dagmar> Since proxmox seems to be built on Debian I feel comfortable just installing it right over the top of Alma 9.x later tonight
14:16 <@Dagmar> I gotta take the thing down and replace all the SATA cables anyway
14:16 <@Dagmar> The way the drives go into the new case is utterly incompatible with the right-angle cables I had
14:27 <@Dagmar> ...and here's a fun thing
14:27 <@Dagmar> I had a script that I was working with that generally took 11 minutes to complete on the old environment
14:28 <@Dagmar> Using it as a canary, it just took 15 minutes to complete on a brand new CPU with DDR4 instead of DDR3
14:28 <@Dagmar> So, something "ain't right" with this build of their virtual CPU types in addition to ditching Spice
14:29 <@Dagmar> 9 can also get fucked because the installer needs 4Gb of RAM to stay out of swap
14:29 <@Dagmar> WHY, I have no idea
14:32 < Evilpig> the wind is so bad outside it stripped the casing off my fiber connection point outside.
14:33 < Evilpig> https://photos.app.goo.gl/38hu3kp6iwEE8e4QA
14:33 < PigBot> No Title (at photos.app.goo.gl) https://tinyurl.com/2lbpu3j9
14:33 < Evilpig> oh yeah, and the siding off the building as well
14:33 <@Dolemite> damn
14:34 < Evilpig> I went out and put the casing back on the fiber and locked down the bolts.  it would have been fine if the att clowns had screwed them in to begin with
14:34 < Evilpig> that semi-heavy metal casing was half way down the back of the building when I found it though, so the wind was really moving
14:34 <@Dolemite> I guess I have that to look forward to this evening if it's blowing this direction
14:49 <@Dagmar> At least it's just wind
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15:12 < NotLarry> Shhh it's back.
15:13 < oddball> Hey, NotLarry, how have you been doing?
15:17 < NotLarry> Treatments have stopped.  They are now trying to stabalize eveything from where they tried to kill me. Emergency department found a growth on a kidney so that lost more value thank my crypto. 3 days of onsite with no parking had me walking about 10 miles so my new hip is not happy.
15:17 < oddball> faaaaak
15:22 < Evilpig> Mirage: the ck1 and "can I get a little of that bro"  just had me laughing out loud
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15:49 < ShellGh0st> I had to stop using IRC for a few days to focus on my job and it was awful. ;)
15:57 < Evilpig> the job was awful or the lack of our banter was?
15:58 < ShellGh0st> Well both, although it was more the global lack of banter than just this channel.  Not that the banter here isn't great.
15:58 < ShellGh0st> I wrote 250 lines of bad java in 3 hours today.
15:59 < ShellGh0st> Struggling with a dumb android problem that our app was built around for some reason
16:00 < NotLarry>  ftfy "I wrote 250 lines of java in 3 hours today."
16:01 < ShellGh0st> Haha yes java is bad by definition 
16:02 < ShellGh0st> Especially the async concurrent bullshit I have to deal with.  I took a class about it online once, taught by Doug Schmidt at Vanderbilt.  The whole class was about this crap in java on android.
16:03 < ShellGh0st> I got a ways into that class, and I was like "This Schmidt guy is pretty smart." and then I realized I'd read a book about C++ that he wrote 15 years earlier.
16:04 < ShellGh0st> So you think I could solve my dumb concurrency problem in android. :)
16:04 < ShellGh0st> s/you/you'd/
16:05 < NotLarry> Want me to talk to Doug for you?
16:06 < ShellGh0st> Haha I'm sure he's busy teaching about dining philosophers or something.  Wouldn't want to bother him...
16:06 < NotLarry> He used to be part of my group.
16:07 < NotLarry> Although, I would not drop my name around him:)
16:08 < ShellGh0st> Lol. He has given me tools I actually have to try to use at work, twice.  Whether I'm smart enough to make good use of his excellent knowledge is a different matter...
16:09 < ShellGh0st> I think in total I paid $90 for the book in the late nineties and then the online class in 2012.
16:09 < ShellGh0st> pretty goood value
16:09 < ShellGh0st> :)
16:20 < ShellGh0st> I'm now done with my break from java and am moving on to the PHP part of my day, ttyfl.
16:20 < ShellGh0st> :|
17:39 <@Dagmar> Concurrency problems are for people who didn't plan ahead
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19:28 <@Dagmar> Now to figure out proxmox
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19:38 <@Dagmar> wtf no mdam?
19:38 <@Dagmar> er mdadm
19:43 <@Dagmar> Well..
19:43 <@Dagmar> If I'd read this before now, I would not have fuckin' bothered with proxmox https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/mdadm.35371/page-2
19:43 < PigBot> mdadm | Page 2 | Proxmox Support Forum (at forum.proxmox.com) https://tinyurl.com/2oeayk4d
19:45 <@Dagmar> They _really_ think I'm likely to pay over $1600/year for this?
19:58 < Evilpig> I don't pay anything for proxmox
19:58 <@Dagmar> You jsut ignore the little nag thing at login?
19:58 <@Dagmar> I'm really shocked that the dev was willing to sit there and fud about mdadm
19:59 < Evilpig> I remove it with a quick sed
19:59 <@Dagmar> Once I popped in the mdadm package, all my disks are back, but I'm downloading Debian 11.6 right now
19:59 < Evilpig> sed -Ezi.bak "s/(Ext.Msg.show\(\{\s+title: gettext\('No valid sub)/void\(\{ \/\/\1/g" /usr/share/javascript/proxmox-widget-toolkit/proxmoxlib.js && systemctl restart pveproxy.service
19:59 <@Dagmar> I'm going to rebuild the thing with a NON CHILDISH disk layout
22:30 <@Dagmar> I still think of Foreman as a role model
22:48 <@jb7od> https://stackoverflow.com/ gross. maintenence. 
22:48 < PigBot> 503 <html>
23:08 <@Dagmar> wtf
23:08 <@Dagmar> Can you really *not* use an existing logical volume as a disk with proxmox?
23:19 <@Dagmar> I'm starting to be less impressed with this by the minute
23:29 <@Dagmar> I may just switch to using virt-manager under Debian
23:29 <@Dagmar> This is kinda of user-hostile
23:32 <@Dagmar> This is quite soulless
23:32 <@Dagmar> There doesn't seem to be any way to acutally name the VMs yourself
23:34 <@Dagmar> ah the damn thing has decided I have disabled virtualization in the BIOS
23:34 <@Dagmar> wtf
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