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05:36 < aestetix> ok Dagmar as promised
05:36 < aestetix> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/jev22/xrelog22/hls
05:36 < PigBot> xrelog22 - Stream – Dezentrale Jahresendveranstaltungen Streaming (at streaming.media.ccc.de) https://tinyurl.com/2mtb8te5
05:36 < aestetix> https://pretalx.c3voc.de/xrelog-2022/talk/8G9NAA/
05:36 < PigBot> The Web 3.0 House of Cards :: xrelog22 :: pretalx (at pretalx.c3voc.de) https://tinyurl.com/2o5hsgvt
05:36 < aestetix> talk is in 2.5 hours
07:42 < aestetix> ok, d minus 15 minutes
07:50 < Evilpig> did you remember to brush your teeth?
08:00 < Evilpig> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/jev22/relive/9c218ba2-39b5-533e-822e-b710ff4eef93
08:00 < PigBot> Relive: The Web 3.0 House of Cards – Dezentrale Jahresendveranstaltungen Streaming (at streaming.media.ccc.de) https://tinyurl.com/2fjzveun
08:01 < aestetix> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/jev22/xrelog22/hls it's live now
08:01 < PigBot> xrelog22 - Stream – Dezentrale Jahresendveranstaltungen Streaming (at streaming.media.ccc.de) https://tinyurl.com/2mtb8te5
08:05 <@Dagmar> So you know it's EIGHT o'clock right?
08:06 < aestetix> no
08:06 < aestetix> I thought it was a six hour time difference
08:10 < Evilpig> it's too early for internet for dummies
08:10 <@Dagmar> hehe
08:10 < aestetix> don't worry it gets more interesting soon
08:10 < aestetix> I wanted to make it accessible to journalists
08:11 < Evilpig> I get that, but for us in here it's frustratingly low technical
08:11 < aestetix> yeah I know
08:11 < Evilpig> you pre-recorded this?
08:11 < aestetix> yes
08:11 <@Dagmar> ...and yet, motherfuckers still demonstrate on the daily that they don't know how DNS works
08:11 < aestetix> you'll see why soon
08:11 < aestetix> the second half of the time is why. I had to run everything by some lawyers
08:11 < Evilpig> well hell.  I watch these to see y'all fuck up live, that's half the enjoyment
08:13 < aestetix> Evilpig: around 20 minutes in, you'll start saying "what the fuck" ;)
08:13 < Evilpig> I already started that
08:13 < Evilpig> when you started explaining what dns is, you got a very audible wtf
08:13 < aestetix> hahaha
08:14 <@Dagmar> I'm figuring there's some greater point
08:14 < aestetix> yep
08:14 < Evilpig> whileyou ramble i'm working through some MFA mapping stuff with sssd
08:15 <@Dagmar> Good luck with that
08:16 <@Dagmar> I got the google-authenticator module working fine with RHEL 7's and 8's but there's something funky with 9.1
08:16 < Evilpig> need to meet up in person to describe what i'm working on
08:16 <@Dagmar> For whatever the fuck reason it doesn't want to request kbdinteractive auth
08:16 < Evilpig> as I told Mirage last night, you'd be amazed at the level of technical debt I jumped into
08:16 <@Dagmar> not really
08:17 < Evilpig> I was prepared for some shit, this made e wtf harder than aestetix 
08:17 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure after investigators finish rummaging around in Southwest's guts they're going to come to the conclusion that the company was rekt by technical debt
08:18 <@Dagmar> The "industry" very clearly needs a reminder that technical debt _always_ has to be paid at some point
08:19 <@Dagmar> Ugh... not sure that blockchain can really replace DNS
08:20 <@Dagmar> They're _really_ heavyweight as solutions go
08:20 < aestetix> Dagmar: I agree
08:21 <@Dagmar> You should have said "But fuck twitter"
08:21 <@Dagmar> heh
08:21 < aestetix> do you remember at the beginning where I said I hate web 3.0 :p
08:22 <@Dagmar> No because I"m not that awake yet, but I can feel ya
08:22 <@Dagmar> Some of this shit is fantastically more complex than it really needs to be
08:22 < aestetix> also agreed
08:23 <@Dagmar> At least no one's taking shit like shm locking over blockchain seriously
08:24 < aestetix> I think an alternate title for this talk could be "god damnit virgil"
08:24 <@Dagmar> Okay, good... pausing is possible.  I have a standup to attend in about five minutes
08:25 <@Dagmar> Ah, I stopped looking at that clusterfuck once I saw there was no way I could throw a few bucks at it to fix it
08:25 <@Dagmar> Kind of already known that GoDaddy are cocksuckers
08:25 < aestetix> oh just wait
08:26 <@Dagmar> They aggressively buttfuck their own customers
08:27 < Evilpig> we had that same shit with them over the nashville 26000 domains and dru
08:27 <@Dagmar> Not even Ticketmaster is so brazen as to try to sell domains out from under customers
08:27 < Evilpig> they haven't changed their tactics in literally a decade now
08:28 <@Dagmar> ...but GoDaddy literally has a forum for advertising to scalpers which domains are coming up for renewal, and exactly when they'll be available to snipe
08:28 <@Dagmar> ...and they allow _bidding_ on them.
08:29 <@Dagmar> I pretty much tell anyone who has stuff with GoDaddy to change to another registrar immediately
08:30 <@Dagmar> Oh yay I'm in extra meetings this morning, with VOIP people
08:30 <@Dagmar> <<sigh>>
08:30 <@Dagmar> I'm probably going to run out of nice with VOIP vendors real soon here
08:30 < Evilpig> nearly everyone in my new team is out for the holidays
08:31 <@Dagmar> I'm getting tired of having it be the right thing to do for me to break out hte packet sniffer at the first sign of shit not working
08:31 < Evilpig> i'm doing research for the most part
08:31 < aestetix> you guys should pay attention to this slide ;)
08:31 <@Dagmar> I am now in a morning standup so it's paused
08:31 < aestetix> oh ok
08:32 <@Dagmar> But between their disturbing attachment to IP addresses and their lack of knowledge of how literally _anything_ works, I'm over their bullshit
08:32 < Evilpig> that domain expired and godaddy renewed it to themselves for a year so they could resell it
08:33 <@Dagmar> Well of _course_ they did
08:33 < Evilpig> based on what you have showing and the dates, that's their SOP
08:33 <@Dagmar> That's what I figured they'd do
08:33 <@Dagmar> ...knowing Virgil is currently in jail so he'll be relatively unable to sue them for fucking around
08:36 <@Dagmar> They probably just removed his email address from the system based on how often people do that before a renewal
08:37 < Evilpig> shouldn't you be doing this in german?  all the other talks I clicked on were angry sounding
08:47 < aestetix> now they are prepping for q&a
08:51 < Evilpig> there's the angry language I expected
08:52 < Evilpig> stupid jitsi split my name off which I listed as xitetsea
08:56 < Evilpig> i've got a change board meeting to join here in a sec
08:57 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Oh!  Be aware that there's apparently a bug in DF where fishing is being counted as assaulting nature and making the game spawn most normally docile animals as "agitated"
08:58 <@Dagmar> It's alarming enough it'll probably be cleared up in the next update, but that's what happens if you say, clearcut your entire region.  Mother nature gets _pissed_
08:58 < Evilpig> there are lots of questions that could be asked but I don't have time to get into that 
08:58 <@Dagmar> If your embark is in a place with giant animals, shit gets ugly quick
08:58 <@Dagmar> Well, hit me up when you get the time
08:59 < Evilpig> no df questions,  shit about aestetix's stream
08:59 < Evilpig> first of all how would one even gain entry to any distributed service without some static point of reference?
09:02 < Evilpig> .onion is another of the fake tld's that exist in that fashion but only operate inside of tor.  in order to get into tor you have to jump in via known entry points, then you're decentralized.  so what kind of system can you even begin to devise that would allow for a truly fully decentralized network?  you'd have to know someone to get a link into the system and in that way you're eventually going to have a full system collapse as people lose links without enough mass to keep it known
09:03 < aestetix> I really, really wanna know more about godaddy selling off the domain name
09:03 <@Dagmar> They're probably realizing now that they are stuck
09:03 <@Dagmar> Greed doesn't always lead to useful planning
09:04 <@Dagmar> They went the extra mile to try and fuck over the service, probably thinking it was a normal DNS name and not a utility service
09:04 <@Dagmar> ...and _someone_ probably offered them some money in advance because they had specific skullduggery in mind
09:05 < aestetix> I think that's probably true, but I'm not gonna say it without evidence
09:05 < Evilpig> the issues around registrars not releasing domains but instead holding them to resell is just shitty business practice but not illegal
09:05 < aestetix> that said, $800,000 is a good reason to do skullduggery
09:06 < Evilpig> network solutions is equally bad as godaddy, but at least for a while they were allowing anyone to pay the renewal for a domain.  I think they've since stopped that
09:06 < Evilpig> but it used to be I could pay for eth.link if it was on netsol and whomever the owner was would just get an extension for their ownership
09:06 < aestetix> still is like that with some registrars
09:07 < aestetix> I have an entire talk about my own domain name having an issue with that
09:07 < aestetix> I was actually gonna do a talk on it before this virgil stuff happened
09:07 < Evilpig> that's how they should be run.  the issues with that are dumb things like hiding who is paying for something but we're talking abotu $10-15yr for something.  but some of those custome tlds you could use that as a form of money laundering
09:08 < aestetix> but yeah, now you guys have a new reason to be mad at godaddy ;)
09:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah it would be a bit much to expect someone to launder money $15 at a time
09:08 < Evilpig> imagine ifyou will, grand cheetoh goes to icann and establishes .trump
09:08 < Evilpig> if you want a .trump it's 1mil a year and anyone can pay to renew it
09:08 <@Dagmar> Oh no, I don't need any more reasons to be mad at GoDaddy.  They're just completely not worthy of any trust or attention.
09:08 <@Dagmar> Using htem is like storing money in an active furnace
09:09 <@Dagmar> Like, why would you think your money would not burn up in the fire
09:09 < Evilpig> the registrar sets the price on the domain. so leave the usual model and look tothe criminal
09:10 <@Dagmar> Oh Trump's already getting investigated over the NFTs, and probably sued as well
09:10 < Evilpig> i'm really surprised that someone hasn't looked at this as a scheme for him yet
09:10 <@Dagmar> Turns out (haha) that $10,000 is the point at which an _automatic_ investigation is launched, but there's nothing stopped investigations from being started at lesser amounts
09:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: that is fucking hilarious
09:15 <@Dagmar> It's astonishing that they were so craven as to _steal_ images from shutterstock for this, considering that Shutterstock is fuckin' cheap
09:15 <@Dagmar> It's like opening a restaurant and stealing your toilet paper from the gas station down the street
10:15 < aestetix> I love how the talk following mine is.... about the metaverse
12:06 < aestetix> wait a second
12:07 < aestetix> was it streaming when I was talking to the moderator in german?
12:07 < aestetix> before the q&a started
12:07 < Evilpig> a little
12:07 < aestetix> or did you just hear german from another talk
12:08 < Evilpig> it was you two
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14:50 <@Mirage> blah..  Looks like every place in town is out of the Lawn/Leaf bags and I have 3 trees worth of leaves in my back yard that need dealt with.  Gonna have to drive a bit to the nearest store that *supposedly* has some.
14:50 <@Dagmar> Or just run your mower over them
14:50 < aestetix> Dagmar: did you ever finish the talk?
14:51 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I'd like to have grass... that's a bit much to chomp up w/ the mower.  Plus that shit would still keep blowing up on the porch.
14:52 <@Dagmar> I tried but apparently the bufffer only holds so much, so it got to the part about GoDaddy renewing and stopped
14:52 < aestetix> oh hold on
14:52 < aestetix> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/jev22/relive/49285
14:52 < PigBot> Relive: The Web 3.0 House of Cards – Dezentrale Jahresendveranstaltungen Streaming (at streaming.media.ccc.de) https://tinyurl.com/2lznyloa
14:52 < aestetix> you might need to hit refresh a couple times for the video to loa
14:53 < aestetix> that's the raw capture, you can navigate to wherever you were
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23:08 <@Mirage> The man has either lost all touch with reality or is gearing up for instigating coup attempt #2.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6krPMzUN8Vc&ab_channel=CNN-News18
23:08 < PigBot> Trump Angry With House Committee Probing Jan 6 Riots I Trump Calls Probe A 'Witch Hunt' - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/2evpypyl
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