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06:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez!
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07:27 < Evilpig> got my new vision benefits worked out last night and those reset on jan 1, so I went ahead and got contacts ordered so I could use the benefit for 2022
07:56 < Evilpig> this new desk layout is NOT working.  me and the cat are gonna come to blows here soon
08:20 <@Dagmar> The cats have their own mouse pad to lay on here
08:22 < Evilpig> if it were the mousepad that would be annoying but fine
08:22 < Evilpig> she keeps walking across the power button / backspace on the laptop
08:22 < Evilpig> I'll be typing and bam!  everything hibernates
08:24 <@Dagmar> heheh
08:58 < Evilpig> yay! I passed my test.  I am a "privileged" user of things
09:04 <@Dolemite> lol, woot
09:06 < Evilpig> maintenance was supposed to come by this morning to do a new prevenentive maintenance program including changing filters, looking for leaks, checking smoke detectors, etc.  would anyone like to guess what they did?
09:11 <@Dolemite> Came by and handed you an envelope with a Christmas card in it asking for your annual gift, then left?  :)
09:11 < Evilpig> heh, they get jack shit from me annually.  they replaced my filter and left
09:12 < Evilpig> it was EXTREMELY caked.  I told maintenance that they should have changed that filter the week after the fire, and didn't, and should be planning on changing that again after they finish the demo of the fire damage, but they won't
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10:31 <@eryc> Dagmar: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658
10:31 < PigBot>  (at twitter.com) https://tinyurl.com/2ort3u32
10:37 < Evilpig> elon just needs to add animal acts and declare the circus open
10:39 < ShellGh0st> lol
10:42 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yes.  #FeeSpeech is what this has always been about
11:24 < aestetix> wait isn't elon musk supposed to resign from twitter?
11:24 < aestetix> and now he's pushing the hunter biden stuff again
11:28 <@Dagmar> He hasn't _stopped_ pushing that warped shit
11:29 <@Dagmar> He literally spent last week dumping all sorts of internal Twitter memos and emails, trying to trash Twitter for trying to keep that mess off the platform
11:29 <@Dagmar> He fundamentally _does not understand the job_
11:29 <@Dagmar> ...and he's not about to resign.  His ego won't let him do that
11:30 <@Dagmar> THat's why they're going to have another vote.  So he can get the answer he wants from all the trolls who paid $8
11:30 <@Dagmar> Elon Musk is *not* a man of his word.
11:33 <@Dagmar> He said he wouldn't ban the ElonJet account because "free speech" and then he made up a completely bullshit excuse for having done so anyway
11:33 <@Dagmar> Half those reporters were getting banned because they were shining a light on how transparent of a lie his justification for banning the jet tracker acutally was
11:34 <@Dagmar> He does _not_ stick to his word.  He lies.  He trolls.
11:34 <@Dagmar> You can't trust Twitter, because you can't trust _Elon_.
11:34 <@Dagmar> ...and he's already been running his mouth about how "no one who can actually do the job wants it", conveniently making it out like it's not his sole fault that Twitter is on track to lose a SHITTON this financial quarter
13:49 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Yeah, I have to keep something on top of the front bit of my case to cover the power buttons, otherwise they have a tendency to step on the power or reset button when heading to/from my lap.
13:52 <@Mirage> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/20/postal-service-to-buy-66000-electric-vehicles-to-transform-fleet.html
13:52 < PigBot> Postal Service to buy 66,000 electric vehicles to transform fleet (at www.cnbc.com) https://tinyurl.com/2jajh8wd
13:54 <@Mirage> During the winter time that's REALLY gonna suck for them because it's going to be a massive juggle between "do I want to freeze to death" and "do I want to finish my route at all"...especially if they source vehicles from Ford (based on reviews I've read on their more recent EV's in colder weather)
14:01 <@Mirage> Apparently the main reason for heated seats and steering wheels in the Fords was to avoid draining the shit out of the battery in running a cabin heater.  In one 'real world' review with the weather in the mid-upper 30's the range was just over halved driving from their house, dropping a kid off at school, then going to work.  Some street but mostly highway driving.   In driving ~30 miles it discharged 
14:01 <@Mirage> over 120 miles of range.
14:05 < ShellGh0st> Yeah one good thing about combustion engines in the winter is they produce plenty of heat.  I remember my '67 Super Beetle just had like a little door on the dash panel you would open to let heat off the engine into the car
14:06 < ShellGh0st> if you opened it all the way you'd be hot in freezing weather
14:07 < ShellGh0st> Maybe all the electric cars should have gas powered heaters. ;)
14:10 <@Mirage> I've always said that hybrid makes sense, but all electric doesn't.  Wouldn't take much, just toss a water cooled motorcycle engine in it to run a generator and provide heat.
14:11 <@Mirage> Or run an A/C compressor.
14:13 <@Mirage> Another thing w/ EV's in the winter is that they strongly suggest keeping them inside a garage.  How many Post Offices can you think of that actually has ANY covered/indoor parking for their vehicles?
14:14 < ShellGh0st> If I bought a Tesla in TN I could switch from using gas to using coal to get places, thus helping the environment while feeling really good about myself. 
14:15 < ShellGh0st> My neighbor has one and is always telling me about the good work he's doing.  I don't drive at all and would put forth my carbon footprint is even smaller. :)
14:15 <@opticron> supposedly mazda's adding a wankel to some of its short range BEVs as a range extender
14:16 <@opticron> which could be great except for those apex seals
14:34 <@Dagmar> Whine all you like but Tennessee actually produces more hydroelectric power than 3/4 of the other states
14:36 < ShellGh0st> Dagmar: Yes, but the hydro is a small percentage of all the power produced, even with the TVA and everything
14:36 < ShellGh0st> it depresses me
14:37 < ShellGh0st> The coal plants are all in MW range and the hydro is much less.  There's a cool website I don't remember where you can go and look at the power output of each power plant in TN.
14:38 < ShellGh0st> Coal is on the way out, Natural gas and renewables are coming.  West Virginia get 90% of their power from coal still because they love coal and won't ever let it go.  Our buddy Joe Mansion...
14:49 < ShellGh0st> Hey, Dagmar.  I know you and I meant to say hi. You schooled me in some perl golf I started once, after *I* threw out the challenge.  It is good to see you, sir.
14:49 <@Mirage> ShellGh0st: It always kills me about the short-sightedness of the "carbon footprint" arguments about EV's because most people only think about it in terms of point A->B travel and that's it.  Comparing everything over the life of a vehicle gas still comes out slightly ahead when you factor in battery production, higher brake/tire rates due to vehicle weight, etc.
14:49 < ShellGh0st> I stopped using Facebook a while back, and haven't "seen" you since.
14:49 <@Dagmar> No worries
14:50 < ShellGh0st> I joined Twitter when Elon took over. ;)
14:50 < ShellGh0st> just to see what it's like
14:50 < ShellGh0st> good fun so far
14:50 <@Dagmar> We have a shitton of damn in TN just for hydroelectric power, and we're doing considerably better than most states, so it's not like buying a Telsa in TN "to run on coal" is any different than about anywhere else in the SU
14:50 <@Dagmar> er US
14:51 <@Dagmar> ShellGh0st: It's rather rapidly turning into fuckin' 4chan over there
14:51 < ShellGh0st> Mirage: Yes, we humans have painted ourselves into a corner
14:51 <@Dagmar> ...but at least moot was never such a damn narcissist
14:52 < ShellGh0st> Mirage: Because you're right, but there's no working solution....
14:53 < ShellGh0st> Dagmar: The only reason I drew TN in is I live here, and if I lived in Arizona I could build a solar charger, or use one of the ones they provide everywhere, for example
14:53 <@Dagmar> You could build a solar charger in TN
14:54 < ShellGh0st> Dagmar: yes, it would be less efficient... :)
14:54 < ShellGh0st> and use up all the rare earth metals and kill all the African kids and everything :)
14:55 < ShellGh0st> but you're right, sir, we make a lot of hydro, we use less coal than some places. I am sorry I whined.  
14:56 <@Dagmar> I'm kind of surprised we haven't built anotehr one recently
14:56 <@Dagmar> THey built two (and the _lakes_ to back them up) while I was going to school
14:57 <@Dagmar> Like, one day there were woods, and two days later there was a whole fuckin' lake
14:57 <@Dagmar> ...which is, um, a little more surprising than you might think
14:59 < ShellGh0st> Like in "O Brother, Where Art Thou"
15:00 < ShellGh0st> When I was a kid I really loved going to Kentucky Lake.  The TVA actually has a fond place in my heart.
15:00 < ShellGh0st> There was nothing nice there before they made that lake, for sure.
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16:16 <@Dagmar> damnit
16:17 <@Dagmar> I'm about tired of filling out support tickets with Fortigate
18:11 < aestetix> I guess Elon has forgotten that he is resigning...
18:15 < ShellGh0st> Yeah I was just looking at how that poll worked out.
18:15 < ShellGh0st> Seems pretty clear.  The bots have spoken, Elon.  Get out.
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20:04 <@Dagmar> Oh no, he's made it clear, he's going to do another vote and only allow blue checks to vote
20:04 <@Dagmar> ...because he's a fucking hypocrite as well as a narcissist
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