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06:55 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:37 < dasunt> Anyone know of a solution for a filesystem gluster that spans datacenters (est 10ms latency between the two)?  GlusterFS geo-replication is one way.
09:53 < Evilpig> glusterfs does not officially support spanned DCs 
09:53 < Evilpig> we hit that issue at vandy.  even though we had a direct fiber between them redhat was all shitty about it
09:53 < Evilpig> we did a 6 node cluster,  three at each dc so we'd always have quorum, but when the two had a disconnect you're back to split brain
10:02 < dasunt> Yup, that's what I'm finding.
10:02 < dasunt> Wondering if Ceph can handle it, but I can't find the info on network latency maximum requirements, nor how it handles split-brain.
10:02 < Evilpig> I was about to suggest ceph
10:03 < Evilpig> pretty sure it has about the same problem though
10:03 < dasunt> I suspect we are engineering this wrong, but they dont' want to hear that.
10:04 < dasunt> I'm not sure why we aren't keeping everything with one DC, and keeping the other as the failover.
10:05 < Evilpig> thinking that ceph had an option where you could designate a failover cluster for that type of thing.  maybe that was just the scenario we were discussing back a couple of years ago though instead
10:06 < Evilpig> we ended up using gluster because we had to be active/active between the two DCs and it was prone to issues whenever netsec fucked up firewalls, netops upgraded hardware, etc
10:08 < dasunt> What was your latency between DCs?
10:08 < Evilpig> 10ms
10:08 < Evilpig> it was a 40g fiber link
10:09 < Evilpig> could have been as low as 1ms often
10:09 < dasunt> That's not bad.
10:09 < Evilpig> really the latency never seemed to be an issue
10:09 < dasunt> Just the connection failing?
10:09 < Evilpig> our issue was always disconnects.  it was also an issue for clients because they connect to all the nodes in the background even though they are only actively using a single node for writes
10:10 < Evilpig> dc -> dc communication was never an issue.  clients -> dc  that was where we saw latency problems
10:17 < dasunt> Hmmmm.
11:11  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
11:26 < dasunt> Rook/ceph may be an answer to this.
11:39 < dasunt> The more I'm reading, the more I'm questioning why we aren't doing a primary + backup setup instead across datacenters.
11:39 < Evilpig> if it doesn't need to be active/active I'd propose it
11:52 < aestetix> from what I understand, the russian nordstream is mostly methane gas
11:52 < aestetix> It makes me wonder.... why don't they just get a bunch of beans and feed some fat guys.
11:53 < aestetix> Then they could easily become independent of russian gas
11:56 < aestetix> PhreakNIC could even do a "methane for ukraine" event where everyone gets to eat lots of beans
12:34 <@Dagmar> Fucking microsoft NLB...
12:36 <@Dagmar> cow0w: That depends on how many bytes you want to throw away.
12:36 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
12:54 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' gonna have to find a way to make both goddamn firewalls adhere strictly to RFC1812
12:57 <@Dagmar> I was under the impression a real device can handle tcflush just fine
12:57 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
13:30 <@Dagmar> Seriously if any of you know what the fuck Microsoft was thinkiong wiht this NLB shit, speak up
15:40 < dasunt> My brain is rotting from this rook/ceph stuff.
16:09 < Evilpig> dasunt: NotLarry has a little experience with ceph too.  but I think his experience is mostly black box with proxmox and it being included
17:53 < dasunt> I've used it with Proxmox.  That's a fun little platform for home VMs.
18:00 < Evilpig> dasunt: iirc notlarry has a three or four node proxmox cluster for accre
18:00 < Evilpig> with the ceph stuff for failover
18:03 < Evilpig> lol  https://xkcd.com/2676/
18:03 < PigBot> xkcd: Historical Dates (at xkcd.com) https://tinyurl.com/2fsfljyb
18:55 < dasunt> Btw, I picked up a new toy.
18:56 < dasunt> https://www.thebookpc.com/product-p/d34010wyk.htm <- Found it for $50 at a local place.  For that price, had to pick it up, but not sure what to do with it atm.
18:56 < PigBot> Intel D34010WYK NUC Mini PC - TheBookPC.com (at www.thebookpc.com) https://tinyurl.com/2qve4byn
19:00 < Evilpig> those aren't bad little systems
19:00 < Evilpig> had one for my dad for hte longest time and just recently replaced it with something a little faster
19:01 < Evilpig> I think my shield just died finally after 7+ years
19:02 < Evilpig> just rebooted it and the nvidia logo came on, then it flashed like ti was trying to load the new android boot loader several times then just went to a black screen with nothing.  no bouncing balls
19:14 < dasunt> I may turn the NUC into a retroarch box.  IDK.  
19:17 < Evilpig> damnit.  bestbuy doesn't have any replacement shield's in stock.  they should have some tomorrow though.
19:30 < Evilpig> oh well.  guess the playstation will be on plex duty tonight
20:15 < dasunt> That's why I have a Roku TV that probably spies on me.
20:18 < dasunt> Plex runs on that.  :D
21:56 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Chromecast with Google TV can run the Plex app just fine, and the new model is like $30
22:08 < Evilpig> I like my shield though.  it's been a hell of a nice device
22:08 <@Dagmar> I've been enjoying the shit out of the Google TV appliances
22:09 <@Dagmar> Steamplay is nice
22:10 < Evilpig> is that just streaming to the google tv device?
22:13 <@Dagmar> Basically, yes, although if you've got a TV with it built in you can plug USB devices into the USB port
22:13 <@Dagmar> ...but otherwise bluetooth controllers, keyboards, and mice work too
22:16 < Evilpig> pretty sure I can stream to my shield from my main gaming pc.  just never really wanted to.
23:10 <@Dagmar> It should be able to run SteamLink since it's an Android app
23:14 <@Dagmar> If you were needing another device for that sort of thing, definitely look into the new $30 unit they're putting out to replace the older Chromecasts
23:15 <@Dagmar> There will be a second, slightly beefier one still selling at $40 or $50, but they're just flat out making the old Chromecasts obsolete with the new Google TV dongle (which even has a nifty bluetooth remote)
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