--- Log opened Mon Jun 13 00:00:01 2022
01:55 < aestetix> Hmm
01:56 < aestetix> Keep in mind I have not paid such close attention, except now to the Jan 6 hearing. I have not yet seen solid evidence that Trump knew/arranged things. I have however seen lots of evidence that others premeditated the attack.
01:57 < aestetix> If there is conclusive proof that Trump *knew* his comments and words were starting fires on twitter and parler, then I'll agree with you guys 100%
01:57 < aestetix> All it would take is someone to testify that, or an internal memo. That's all they need, IMHO
01:58 < aestetix> Although the fact that he didn't step in to stop the active rioters at the capitol already says quite a lot
03:55 < aestetix> On a somewhat related note, I'm getting really fucking tired of seeing people claim that vaccines are causing COVID.
03:56 < aestetix> Or that we don't have enough data in yet to know if the vaccines work. It's been over a year of Manhattan Project style research into it, honestly if the vaccine caused issues we'd know by now
05:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:38  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:38 <@Dolemite> slacker
06:39 < aestetix> I wonder if doing the safety dance at work would violate safety rules
06:39 <@Dolemite> Is there a safety rule against dancing?
06:40 < aestetix> well I mean in general
06:41 < aestetix> it would be funny to have security shut down people doing the safety dance for being unsafe
06:45 <@Dolemite> Well
06:45 <@Dolemite> You can dance if you wanna
06:45 <@Dolemite> You can leave your friends behind
06:45 <@Dolemite> 'cuz if they won't dance and if they don't dance
06:45 <@Dolemite> Then they're no friends of mine
07:24 <@Dolemite> Wow, Fox is actually going to air the Jan 6 hearings today...  unlike last week
07:53 < aestetix> when do they start
07:53 <@Dolemite> An hour from now
07:55 <@Dolemite> I'll miss the first 30 minutes since I'm already watching Hustle
08:06 < Evilpig> https://tenaciousdlish.com/
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08:07 < Evilpig> aestetix: we do know that the vaccine has an increased risk of heart enlargement.  418 entire cases out of 15 million+ patients confirms it.
08:07 < Evilpig> don't figure the percentage, just look at that 418!!!!
08:09 <@opticron> welp, that's higher than I can count. yuuuuge number of people experiencing problems
08:09 < aestetix> Evilpig: oh shit my bad
08:09 < aestetix> I guess I was wrong
08:10 < Evilpig> I read that write up the other morning and looked at the numbers and acknowledged a super rare condition that primarily affects males in the 18 - 40 range and could only see the harm from publishing the data
08:11 < Evilpig> the anti-reason camp just focuses on the outcome of the study that they could not find any other cause except the vaccine in those cases.  focus on that and they've got a valid reason for their bullshit completely ignoring that you literally have better odds of winning the lottery
08:32 <@opticron> I have one guy (a relatively smart one) telling me that the LNP builds up in women
08:32 <@opticron> though he's had his initial doses
08:32 <@opticron> but a lot of people are flat refusing to get any boosters at all
08:35 < Evilpig> I would like to see more data on the vaccine the us military is supposedly working on that they described like a 20 sided die with all the various flavors attached making a better mousetrap
08:36 <@opticron> I'm looking forward to a bi/trivalent vaccine for the fall
09:44 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: I'm almost at a point where I'm going to start asking the anti-reason types if they've registered as foreign agents yet.
10:40  * aestetix tunes into the jan 6 hearing
10:43 < aestetix> how long does it go today?
10:45 <@Dagmar> So... I stumbled across a vendor on Amazon who makes a kit box (including PCB) that will let you basically "roll your own" dirt-common UPS battery using 18650 cells
10:46 <@Dagmar> Aside from the breathtaking price of buying 21 of the fuckers (and possibly fire) the resulting power is making me consider it
10:46 <@Dagmar> >40Ah versus 9Ah at best
10:47 <@Dagmar> Stike that, I can't math this morning...14Ah
11:07 <@Mirage> ewwww.. https://www.wral.com/raleigh-company-will-pay-you-2-000-to-release-100-cockroaches-into-your-home/20328043/
11:08 < PigBot> Raleigh company will pay you $2,000 to release 100 cockroaches into your home :: WRAL.com (at www.wral.com) https://tinyurl.com/27uxjx8u
11:14 < Evilpig> I read that this morning.  nope nope nope
11:40 < aestetix> jesus
11:40 < aestetix> about an hour in to the hearing
11:40 < aestetix> I'm kind of shocked they didn't invoke the 25th amendment
11:40 < aestetix> trump is/was clearly delusional
11:41 <@Dagmar> Yes.
11:41 <@Dagmar> ...but mainly his delusions are that if he says something enough, it becomes reality.
11:41 <@Dagmar> ...and not catching himself on fire.
11:41 <@Dagmar> !@#@!#
11:43 <@Dagmar> If Trump caught on fire it would solve a lot of problems, actually.
11:50 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: I'm not watching, but none of that shocks me. This is a guy who surrounded himself with as many yes men as possible, and I just assumed that anyone who resigned in that time frame did so because going the 25A route was a non-starter.
11:50 <@_NSAKEY> Mike Pench is the ultimate cuckservative though, for being too scared to 25A his ass even after almost getting killed. At least he did the right thing with the certification.
11:51 < aestetix> I am clearly the target audience for this hearing. A non-partisan who hates both extremes and has not really followed in detail Trumps ramblings and rantings
11:51 < aestetix> Because so far everything the committee has presented is extremely reasonable and compelling to me.
11:51 <@_NSAKEY> Although if it comes out that Pence didn't invoke the 25th amendment because he didn't want to get bullied into issuing Trump a pardon, I'll respect that and retract my previous statement.
11:51 < aestetix> Er, that is, to show Trump is a loony toon, not to show he's reasonable :p
11:53 <@Dolemite> It's so odd to see former FOX talking heads on CNN and MSNBC, now
11:53 <@Mirage> Personally I'm disappointed by how drawn out all this crap is.  It shouldn't have taken 18 months to get to this point and it doesn't need to be spread out over multiple days/weeks when each session is only a 2-3 hrs long.
11:54 < aestetix> So basically
11:54 < aestetix> Guiliani got drunk and told Trump to say he won the election
11:54 <@Dolemite> People won't pay attention long enough to do it all at once
11:54 < aestetix> And Trump listened, and continued to insist on it
11:54 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Pretty much
11:54 <@Mirage> Remember the Iran-Contra hearings?  That pretty much runined 2 weeks of summer TV programming for all of us w/o cable.
11:55 <@Dagmar> No, more like Trump decided he was going to bullshit his way through, and Giuliani was a psychophant who was willing to support Trump's bullshit
11:55 <@Mirage> How is it that, in comparison, that was more important than this?
11:55 < aestetix> BTW
11:55 < aestetix> This evidence is *much* more compelling than the Russia collusion thing
11:56 < aestetix> I'm not sure any reasonable jury would aquit Trump based on this evidence
11:56 <@Mirage> Which Russia collusion?  The Hunter Biden stuff or the Trump being Putin's unknowing lapdog stuff?
11:56 < aestetix> the trump putin stuff
11:56 < aestetix> The Hunter Biden laptop thing really, really pissed me off.
11:56 < aestetix> That should have been covered in the news
11:57 < aestetix> Although now all the Hunter Biden emails have been leaked
11:57 < aestetix> And I have them all on my computer :p
11:59 < aestetix> Mirage: let me rephrase
11:59 < aestetix> The whole russia hacking the election garbage
12:00 < aestetix> With the exception of the wikileaks dump of the podesta emails, I saw no credible evidence for that
12:07 <@Mirage> As to the intended audience, it's pretty much just the middle of the road undecided/wavering people and the "Prosecute the shit out of him and get it done" crowd.  I don't think anyone really expects any Trumpers to pay any attention to the proceedings at all because "it's just a Democratic witch hunt" and "an attempt to discredit Trump in order to cover-up the stolen election"
12:13 <@Dagmar> It's to drown out the spin-doctors so people will stop seeing these fuckwits as anything but traitors
12:14 <@Dagmar> That shit was nothing short of sedition and treason
12:14 <@Dagmar> NO ONE involved in it should be allowed to hold public office anymore
12:14 <@Dagmar> ...and the spin doctors keep spinning it in the media like it's just a party disagreement or some shit.
12:15 <@Dagmar> ...and unfortunately they're very willing to run media networks that do nothing but lie all day.
12:15 <@Dagmar> That shit needs to go.  It has no business being in this country.
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13:09 < aestetix> ok so
13:09 < aestetix> how much of this garbage trump believes came from fox news
13:09 < aestetix> versus other sources
13:10 <@Dagmar> Trump is just making up the shit he wants to be real
13:10 <@Dagmar> He didn't need other people to tell him any of it
13:12 < aestetix> oh wow
13:12 < aestetix> they got the guy who represented bush in bush v gore to testify
13:18 <@Dagmar> aestetix: This is literally the biggest debacle in US history
13:18 < aestetix> I am really impressed by this committee
13:19 <@Dagmar> That the republicans are steadfastly trying to glad-hand it isn't just terrible, it strongly indicates _guilt_
13:19 < aestetix> they are doing everything exactly right. Hunting down every claim, debunking it, and getting the people who would benefit the most from Trump winning to testify against him
13:20 <@Dagmar> It needs to be inescapably clear to everyone that a large number of people need to not just be removed from office, but sent to jail
13:20 <@Dagmar> Big Man's Buttfuckin' Prison, no less
13:21 <@Dagmar> A bunch of powerful people who really should have known better tried to overthrow the office by force, using Trump's idiot brigade as patsies
13:21 <@Dagmar> _Jail_ should be in all of their futures, and none of this messing about with acting like it's some partisan witch hunt
13:22 < aestetix> I don't see how anyone could call this evidence partisan
13:22 <@Dagmar> That's the point.  It's _not_
13:22 < aestetix> heh ok
13:22 <@Dagmar> ...but you've still got Fox saying outright that it's all made up lies, because they were front and center in the misdeeds
13:22 <@Dagmar> That's how fucked up the situation is'
13:23 < odioimber> Not this week. Fox is all "Sure, that was bad, but look at the gas prices!"
13:25 < odioimber> I was watching both CNN and Fox News at lunch (flipping back and forth) and while CNN was interviewing everyone from the stuff earlier today, Fox moved on pretty quick to other things.
13:54 <@Mirage> If you need some chuckles:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mr76pkyza4&ab_channel=DailyHumor
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14:46 <@Dagmar> okay.  Screw cacti
14:46 <@Dagmar> I'm switching everything over to Observium for graphing
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17:14 < Evilpig> observium is pretty nice for that
17:15 < Evilpig> i've been using it for a few years now and the upgrades aren't horrible to perform even for the unpaid version
19:35 <@Mirage> fucking hell.. beer jumped by ~$3.50/6-pack in the past couple days.  
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