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01:47 <@Mirage> Lincoln Project isn't pulling punches.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KudntsVcMPM&ab_channel=TheLincolnProject
01:47 < PigBot> Mother Russia - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/ybewygsg
03:43 <@aestetix> too bad rattle isn't alive to see the russia drama
08:05 < Evilpig> Mirage: nothing like competing changes causing everyone high blood pressure
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10:34 < dasunt> So it's a given right now that US is feeding Ukraine intelligence on Russian troop movements, right?
10:42 < Evilpig> I'd assume that
10:42 <@aestetix> I mean
10:42 <@aestetix> I can't really trust anything I see right now
10:43 <@aestetix> I'm seeing reports that russia has put 2/3 of their army in ukraine, others saying russia has barely even started
10:49 < dasunt> Lots of disinformation out there, but it seems the Ukrainians are doing rather well so far, considering the circumstances.
10:53 < Evilpig> just waiting to hear the sarcophagus has been rigged for demo and threats against feeding the elephants foot if putin isn't just allowed to take over
10:54 < Evilpig> have that followed up with a press conference with trump praising him for being a brilliant strategist and cue the start of all out hell breaking loose 
10:55 <@aestetix> ok so the report of russia putting up 2/3 of their army is just wrong
10:55 <@aestetix> https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/26/latest_news/1645907062_698195.html
10:55 < PigBot>  What is the military power of the Russian army and how strong is the Ukrainian army? - AS.com (at en.as.com) https://tinyurl.com/y73wt8x7
10:55 <@aestetix> Russia has 900,000 active, and they have only deployed 200,000
10:58 < dasunt> "Active" may be a tad misleading.
10:58 < dasunt> If you were a Russian conscript, would you actively be trying to take Kyiv?
10:59 <@aestetix> Active vs reserve
10:59 < dasunt> If I had access to at least some western news sources and was a Russian conscript, I'd be looking for opportunities to delay and do as little as possible.
11:00 <@aestetix> western news sources are terrible though
11:01 < dasunt> Why would you say that?  Don't you enjoy the constant rehashing of experts discussing hypotheticals when they run out of actual news to report?
11:01 <@aestetix> lol
11:02 < dasunt> But seriously, terrible or not, it does seem credible that the Ukrainians are getting shipped new toys from western nations.  
11:07 <@eryc> https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/i-have-other-assets-texas-politician-poses-topless-oil-well
11:07 < PigBot> "I Have Other Assets" - Texas Politician Poses Topless On Oil Well | ZeroHedge (at www.zerohedge.com) 
11:09 < dasunt> It's amazing the reasons what exactly it takes for an endorsement to be retracted sometimes.
11:11 < dasunt> Not really defending the wisdom of that campaign, btw.
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15:11 <@Dagmar> What has me concerned is that Putin initially invaded with a "peacekeeping force" after threatning that he would respond to any threats
15:11 <@Dagmar> Threats which, to my knowledge, never came.
15:11 <@Dagmar> Now he's putting nuclear forces on alert in case something happens.
15:12 <@Dagmar> Russia is about to find itself ostracised from the free world
16:19 <@Catonic> it has
16:21 <@Catonic> When you say you invade a country to "de-nazify it" and the Germans start spending money to oppose you... I'd have to say Russia might be in the wrong here.
16:25 <@Catonic> He's playing it like a hedge fund. "I lost. Double down. DOUBLE IT! DOUBLE IT!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7racSSk7w0
16:26 < PigBot> Upsetting the Balance of Creation | Squidbillies | Adult Swim - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/n9lqper
16:39 < dasunt> Russia won't use nukes.
16:41 < dasunt> Doesn't matter what Putin tries to do.  Too many people around him would realize that the choice is between "dying in a nuclear inferno" or "reenacting the Ides of March".  And that's a pretty simple decision to make.
17:53 <@Dagmar> I'm for just going ahead with the Ides thing.
17:54 <@Dagmar> ...and then giving medals to that one Russian battalion that actually appears to have surrendered because they wwere told they were there to escort people to safety and when shooting started they were like "Wait... wtf is this shit"
17:54 <@Dagmar> They literally surrendered because they were under the impression they were not sent there to get into fights.
17:55 <@Dagmar> Give them all citations for being abnormally calm and level-headed.
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