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00:24 < Warcop> FedEx
00:24 < Warcop> seems like they need to re-brand one day
00:33 < dasunt> Was it them or DHL with the creepy pedo founder?
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06:54 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:07 < NotLarry> Dolemite: old man
09:13 <@Mirage_> NotLarry: like you're one to talk
09:17 < Evilpig> lol
09:18 < NotLarry> get off my lawn
09:21 < NotLarry> tfw I look in a bash script and see ruby...
09:24 <@Mirage_> Yeah, so I just had to call Spectrum again.  Since swapping out the modem yesterday afternoon I've been seeing an avg of 11% packet loss...over the past 2.5 hrs it's been 25-30%.  The guy on the phone ran a test on their end and said he could see the problem as well and that since it's been less than 24h since they were here working on it that instead of scheduling a call that they would instead dispatch 
09:24 <@Mirage_> the next available technician in my area.
09:26 < aestetix> man
09:27 < aestetix> why is it that if I try to argue against insane government restrictions due to covid, everyone assumes I'm an anti-vaxxer
09:27 < Evilpig> because they are the loudest group.
09:27 < aestetix> No matter how many times I say I'm vaccinated thrice over, and I think everyone should get the vaccine
09:27 < aestetix> I'm still somehow lumped in with the qanon crazies
09:27 < Evilpig> and if we had people making reasonable decisions in regards to getting vaccinated or wearing masks we wouldn't be looking at government requirements for such things
09:28 < Evilpig> but since we have half a country that thinks that masks are for mind control, you get what you get. the adults telling children what to do
09:35 <@Mirage_> aestetix: so what restrictions are you railing against?
09:35 < aestetix> Mirage_: requiring showing a vaccination card with ID and having the card scanned
09:36 < aestetix> for literally every place you want to go
09:36 < aestetix> going into the grocery store, into a cafe, etc
09:39 <@Mirage_> Personally, I'd be fine with that around here.  Granted I don't go anywhere most of the time, but it's amazing how low the vaccination rates are vs how few people you see wearing a mask in stores.  
09:40 < aestetix> well I mean
09:40 < aestetix> I have no issue wearing a mask
09:40 < aestetix> I don't like the "papers please" thing though
09:41 < aestetix> So yeah. If someone is at the door making sure everyone who enters the building has a mask on, I'm fine with that
09:41 < aestetix> The showing ID and potentially having it recorded, I'm not ok with
09:42 < aestetix> In all honesty I will not go into a building right now unless everyone is wearing a mask :/
09:42 < aestetix> er, :p
09:42 <@Mirage_> Neither do I...but it's obvious that a good number of ppl can't be trusted to be honest and do the right thing.  I'd be willing to bet that in stores around here that 50% or better of the people wearing masks are vaccinated and per CDC guidelines don't have to.  I'd also be willing to bet that over 50% of people without masks haven't been vaccinated.
09:42 < aestetix> yeah well I mean
09:43 < aestetix> just have someone at the door mandating masks
09:45 < aestetix> the way I see it
09:46 < aestetix> you're expected to wear shoes and a shirt. so if you also have to wear a mask until the pandemic is over, what's the big deal
09:48 <@Mirage_> See, you're thinking like a normal person there...which is where you're wrong.  The people who don't mind wearing a mask, for the most part, are the largely same ones who went out and got the shot when they could. 
09:53 < aestetix> sigh
09:53 < NotLarry> aestetix: So do you have a problem with having your vaccination status recorded somewhere or just that your activities might be recorded?
09:53 < aestetix> both
09:54 < NotLarry> so, anti-vax? :)
09:54 < aestetix> I consider that medical data. I do not want it sitting in a database somewhere or even on a piece of paper in some idiots office
09:54 < aestetix> oh fuck you lol
09:54 < NotLarry> My kid has to get vaccinated before going to school and I have to provide that data to the school.  Is that something you are against as well?
09:57 <@Dolemite> aestetix: What if they simply checked the card + ID and didn't record anything?
09:57 <@Mirage_> In Dallas County, which is dry, they have a loophole where 'members' of the establishment can drink.  So whenever you go somewhere and indicate that you intend to drink they will scan your driver's license and typically charge something like $1 for a one day membership.
09:58 <@Dolemite> Mirage_: I remember that dipshit law from when I did business travel to Dallas and ordered a beer.  LOL
09:58 <@Dolemite> I didn't know if it was statewide or not
09:58 < aestetix> Dolemite: I wouldn't like that, but I would probably do it
09:59 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Yeah, I don't like the tracking aspect of it.   That's what I would object to, but not the showing of card + ID.
09:59 < aestetix> I mean, if it is a simple operation like showing an ID to a bartender, ok whatever
10:00 < aestetix> It's the scanning of the vaccination card to prove it's not fake that I have an issue with
10:00 <@Dolemite> That's why they should have a universally accepted list of verifiers that you can choose from to present proof
10:00 < NotLarry> A bartender should be able to scan your ID to ensure it is not fake.
10:01 <@Dolemite> Though I still don't care for that part.   CLEAR has already been rumored to be selling your data to partners.
10:01 < aestetix> NotLarry: I disagree
10:01 < aestetix> I have actually refused to enter bars that insisted on scanning the ID
10:01 < aestetix> letting a bouncer see it to make sure I'm 21, yeah ok
10:02 <@Mirage_> Dolemite: Nah surely not.  I mean, we all know that AT&T doesn't sell your information, so why would anyone else?  =)
10:02 < NotLarry> aestetix: That should be fine.  I've had to deal with the possibility of going to jail because someone showed me a fake ID in a bar.
10:02 < aestetix> what should be fine?
10:03 < NotLarry> I have no idea where "That should be fine." came from.
10:03 < aestetix> oh lol
10:03 < aestetix> NotLarry: yeah I think that is ridiculous.
10:04 < aestetix> I think decisions like that should be up to the bartender. And at a certain point, like if the kid paid someone at the DMV to make a fake ID for him....
10:04 < NotLarry> I think Evilpig is correct (it hurts  to say that) in that if we all acted like responsible adults we could avoid a lot of this.
10:04 < aestetix> NotLarry: yeah....
10:05 <@Dolemite> So in order to show proof that employees can't be 100% remote (and therefore exemptions to the vaccination are not viable) we now have to go in to campus once per month and make sure our badge is scanned by a badge reader.
10:05 <@Dolemite> No requirement for how long you have to be there.   You just have to go on-site once per month.
10:05 < aestetix> I just don't understand what the issue with getting vaccinated is
10:06 <@Dolemite> Employees who live 100+ miles away will have their travel paid for by the lab.
10:06 <@Mirage_> Dolemite: hence the requirement of the once a month onsite meeting?
10:06 <@Dolemite> They are hardlining this requirement fo sho
10:06 < NotLarry> it's killing 3G and I don't want to get a new phone.
10:06 < aestetix> haha
10:06 <@Dolemite> Mirage_: Heh, we don't even have to go in for a specific meeting - though our quarterly group meeting will no longer be virtual
10:07 <@Dolemite> So next week I'll go in on Wednesday, badge into the building, go chat with the computer room operators that used to work for me, then leave and come home.
10:07 <@Mirage_> Ah, I thought it was a monthly group meeting you were talking about.
10:07 <@Dolemite> Mirage_: That's what the initial thought was, but they've simply stated now that you just have to badge in once per calendar month
10:08 < NotLarry> Well, since I moved away from Nashville I'm hoping Vandy does not make me start being onsite.  As is I think I'm down to one day a month or so just for stuff I don't want other people doing.
10:08 <@Dolemite> So I'll go next week, then probably right before Christmas vacation.   I can drop M off at school and then just keep on driving in to the office to scan my badge.
10:08 < NotLarry> But right now, with cases on the rise, I'm still not going to in person meetings.  
10:08 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: What's the commute time for when you do go in?
10:10 < NotLarry> ~90 to 120 minutes.  I show up ~7AM so no traffic.  Coming home is usually on the high end.
10:10 <@Mirage_> NotLarry: Where'd you move to?
10:10 <@Dolemite> yeah that was always the case even in Smyrna.  30 minutes to get to work, 90 minutes to get home.
10:13 < NotLarry> It really is just ~twice the commute I had in Smyrna.  I don't really mind as when I go in I have a specific project to work on (got robot maintenance in December).
10:14 < aestetix> but yeah
10:14 < aestetix> just like how I got called a terrorist for opposing the TSA and DHS after 9/11
10:14 < aestetix> I'm gonna get called an anti-vaxxer for opposing vaccine passport scanning
10:16 < NotLarry> in my world that is apples to oranges, but that is probably just me.  I frankly do not associate 9/11 with the pandemic.  
10:17 < NotLarry> But, as Dolemite says, if it smells like shit everywhere you go...
10:18 < NotLarry> Just confirmed, the programs I am taking over/learning are written in ruby.  sigh
10:26 < NotLarry> aestetix: You do have a problem though.  Miss Information has coopted your fight to restrict unnessiary government oversight into their Q basket.  
10:33 < NotLarry> speeled reel gud
10:35 < NotLarry> Mirage_: Camden Tn.  
10:38 < NotLarry> This is fucked up. Found out the local doctor I picked requres a drug screening every visit.  Guess I'm changing doctors again.  
10:58 < Evilpig> aestetix: i'm still anti-tsa.  the majority of the shit they've done is security theater and hasn't made anything safer just more irritating and added cost.  as far as showing the cards, fuck em.  
10:58 < Evilpig> I took the kid to a live musical a few weeks ago and on the back of our tickets I printed the vaccine cards
10:59 < aestetix> Evilpig: yep
10:59 < Evilpig> Personally I like them asking for the cards are the door.  and if you don't show a valid card they demand you show a negative test result and if you don't have one ready they'll charge your ass $50 on the spot and administer one.  the cost and trouble is now on the assholes trying to mutate this shit to keep it going
11:00 < Evilpig> it's an inconvenience to me to carry a picture of hte card or wear a mask but damnit I want this shit done.  I'm doing my part.  fuck these assholes and their dipshit failed reasoning
11:05 < aestetix> Evilpig: yeah agreed
11:14 < Evilpig> bring back telling people they're stupid and that there are dumb questions.  I had someone try to convince me this morning that trump isn't a piece of shit and it was 100% a media slander campaign and he was serious and truly believed it
11:14 < aestetix> are the scanning apps in the US open source?
11:14 < Evilpig> I've not seen any scanning app
11:14 < aestetix> oh interesting
11:15 <@Dolemite> There's no standard app across the country and several states have passed legislation prohibiting the creation of databases
11:15 < aestetix> https://github.com/digitaler-impfnachweis/
11:15 < PigBot> Digitaler-Impfnachweis · GitHub (at github.com) https://tinyurl.com/yht8xykv
11:15 < aestetix> the source code for the german digital vaccine app
11:16 < Evilpig> America's tophat did something like that, I heard.  I think I recall reading that they were issuing digital ID QR codes to verify status
11:17 < Evilpig> we still have people resisting having a national id vs having state id
11:18 < aestetix> Evilpig: including me :)
11:18 < aestetix> I am very very opposed to the US having a national id :p
11:19 < Evilpig> KY is a clear reason of why i'd prefer a national id.  they just closed all the county offices and have a handful of regional offices now 
11:20 <@Mirage_> lol.. Amazon listing for "Razer DeathAdder v2 Gaming Mouse" states "Amazon Certified: Works with Alexa".  How the hell is that supposed to work? I find myself imagining Scotty in Star Trek IV talking to the mouse.
11:20 < Evilpig> TN requires x documents to prove your identity, KY requires completely other proof
11:21 < Evilpig> just do one system, each state can then add whatever signatures to your ID to add services, driving, concealed carry, motorcycle, etc
11:21 < Evilpig> Mirage_: alexa can tell you the battery level?
11:23 < Evilpig> and now that you've got apple getting into the ID game with digital liceneses all the more reason to goto a single national system so we don't have adjoining states supporting differing formats
11:31 < NotLarry> I thought meta was the universal digital ID system.
11:41 < aestetix> oh yeah meta
11:41 < aestetix> so now instead of an id card everyone has to get a vr headset
11:42 < NotLarry> Wait, you don't have your vr headset?  What are you, anti-vax?
12:28 < Evilpig> I've looked at those again here lately.  just can't justify the cost
12:29 < NotLarry> why can I not block these amber alerts from my phone?  It wasn't me, stop texting me.
12:32 < NotLarry> I stopped using mine a couple of months ago when my lungs shut down.  I am trying to start back, maybe get some small amount of strength/capacity back.  
12:44 <@Mirage_> NotLarry: I've disabled them on my phone multiple times and they keep getting reenabled somehow
13:02 < NotLarry> At least the youtube robot knows to start playing babymetal this time of day.
13:05 <@Mirage_> https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/tech/amazon-visa-credit-card-fees/index.html
13:05 < PigBot> Amazon won't accept Visa's UK credit cards from January - CNN (at www.cnn.com) https://tinyurl.com/yj34zdsl
13:06 <@Mirage_> Wow.... https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/tech/apple-iphone-right-to-repair/index.html
13:06 < PigBot> Apple will let its users repair their own devices - CNN (at www.cnn.com) https://tinyurl.com/yf7klat4
13:06 <@Mirage_> Now if only John Deer will jump on that bandwagon.  I NEVER expected something like this from Apple.
14:06 <@Mirage_> Something like this should have been done a long time ago, https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gas-prices-soaring-biden-calls-probe-illegal-conduct/story?id=81230075
14:06 < PigBot> With gas prices soaring, Biden calls for probe into possible 'illegal conduct' - ABC News (at abcnews.go.com) https://tinyurl.com/yzus7qhc
14:15 <@Mirage_> What a moron..for yet another reason. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59327553
14:15 < PigBot> Capitol riot: Steve Bannon pleads not guilty to contempt of Congress charge - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) https://tinyurl.com/yenyda85
14:15 < Evilpig> so the president can actually do something about gas prices directly.  heh
14:18 < Evilpig> I wouldn't doubt that they are keeping the prices up higher than what the market as done with additional cost from trucking to try and offset some of their losses when everything was shut down
14:28 <@Mirage_> Shit, they regularly jack up the prices when a hurricane MIGHT require them to shut down a plant or platform for a couple days.  Pretty much any excuse and they jack up the prices at least for a few days...then of course they don't drop them back down when things get back to normal.  The only reason gas prices have dropped significantly in the past 10-15 years is when the preseident opened up the national 
14:28 <@Mirage_> reserves.  I know Trump did it and I believe before that it was George W Bush.
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15:25 <@Mirage_> Welp, modem swapped again.  Will see how this one gies.
15:25 <@Mirage_> er, goes
15:39 < Evilpig> did you ask him if he wanted to go check the crimp out at the street again?
15:44 <@Mirage_> I did bring that up and we got a good laugh about it.  He said when he first started he was like that too and that the problem was not everyone is trained the same way as to what's right.
15:48 <@Mirage_> We also got a good chuckle about him stating that the questionable modem would be turned back in, then most likelt the warehouse would just reflash the firmware, wrap it up, and send it back out.  So I told him about how when an old buddy of mine that worked for Intermedia in Nashville ran into equipment like that, it would normally have an "accident" ensuring it wouldn't be the source of another call.
15:49 < Evilpig> for most users a flakey modem isn't an issue
15:49 < Evilpig> nano can't browse her facebooks or it's slow doesn't seem like a problem
15:50 < Evilpig> they just need to classify their customers between "has a clue" and "will tolerate garbage"
15:52 <@Mirage_> Oh, and this guy that came out REALLY liked my smokeping RRD graphs for the internal NIC (NAT), business gateway (public default gateway), modem public IP, modem gateway, first hop, their 2 DNS servers, then finally google.  Makes where the breakdown is pretty obvious
15:53 <@Mirage_> Our VPN's generally start going to shit at ~20% loss.  Watching stuff on netflix/youtube/etc is generally OK because playback has a buffer.
15:58 <@eryc> Mirage_: can you share a screenshot?
15:58 <@eryc> i've been looking at doing smokeping for grafana
16:05 <@Mirage_> https://www.thehippo.net/smokeping.htm
16:05 < PigBot> smokeping (at www.thehippo.net) https://tinyurl.com/ygg36pdr
16:06 <@Mirage_> I'm only using the default FPing probe, because that's all I need.   There are lots of other probes you can configure and use depending on what you're wanting to monitor.
16:07 <@eryc> Mirage_: ah cool thanks!
16:07 <@eryc> ah i didnt know they added more probe types
16:07 <@eryc> i will have to poke around
16:09 <@Mirage_> Those are just screenshots
16:11 <@eryc> yea i meant wherever smokeping is hosted these days
16:12 <@Mirage_> https://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/doc/smokeping_examples.en.html
16:12 < PigBot> SmokePing - smokeping_examples  (at oss.oetiker.ch) https://tinyurl.com/yjpkr8cr
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