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02:01 <@jb7od> It's real old by now, but when cygwin was a brand new baby, they also had a kernel extension for server 2k that went along with it that added a bunch of the common utils (cat, top, less, df, tail, and those little guys). MS shut that s&it down quicker than I've ever seen them go at something. but at the time I thought that was badass- pure scripting weirdness. 
02:04 <@jb7od> and, like, I've been kinda horny for cross-platform ever since- fc6 and kylix vs delphi dual boot wanker stuff (right up until .net came out and wrecked delphi net/see also: death of vb6 [dawm of midlife crisis v1])
02:05 <@jb7od> The place I worked had a lot of guys wash out right there.. there's a vortex for the sports car guy. 
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07:08 < Evilpig> jb7od: apparently pigbot crashed at some point.
07:14 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:40 <@Dolemite> https://www.odditycentral.com/news/41-year-old-jobless-man-sues-his-parents-for-lifelong-financial-support.html
07:40 < PigBot> 41-Year-Old Jobless Man Sues His Parents for Lifelong Financial Support (at www.odditycentral.com) https://tinyurl.com/yjdvcgjs
07:41  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:41 < aestetix> wait a second
07:41 < aestetix> the kid is an Oxford graduate?
07:42 < aestetix> and a lawyer
07:42 < aestetix> the article just keeps getting worse
07:43 <@Dolemite> https://7news.com.au/news/world/desperate-bid-to-escape-bees-forces-brazilian-fishermen-into-piranha-filled-lake--c-4415004
07:43 < PigBot> Brazilian man attacked by piranhas after jumping into lake to escape bees | 7NEWS (at 7news.com.au) https://tinyurl.com/yj8dsv7x
07:43 <@Dolemite> Now THAT is a total FML headline
09:01 < Evilpig> jesus
09:02 <@Dolemite> Ugh.   Moderna stock tanking has wiped out my unrealized gains for my entire portfolio.
09:04 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: On RHEL6 (so /etc/init.d services) what was the mechanism for making sure that Service B didn't come up before Service A?
09:05 < Evilpig> OOO
09:05 < Evilpig> sysv doesn't have a concept of service dependence
09:06 < Evilpig> that's been the main argument people used to get system-duh into the world
09:06 <@Dolemite> Ugh.   I have been spoiled by systemd.   And yes, I realize that is just inviting Dagmar's flamethrower.
09:06 < Evilpig> it was a good argument but not a strong enough one to justify the bullshit that came alone with it
09:07 <@Dolemite> So our CA is finally back up.  Apparently in Dec 2020 the last kernel update for RHEL6 was installed, but grub was not updated or maybe the box just hasn't rebooted...   well yesterday I had to reboot it and it came up on the new kernel
09:07 <@Dolemite> The CA uses an external SafeNET HSM for key management...  but the driver requires a kernel module that isn't part of the normal distro
09:08 <@Dolemite> If the HSM doesn't see activity for 15 minutes, it goes into SAFE mode, meaning you can only boot it back up by physically plugging up a PIN pad to it and inserting some USB keys
09:08 < Evilpig> sounds like a dkms situation and a upgrade that unsupported piece of shit situation too
09:08 <@Dolemite> Oh we're trying to get rid of this altogether.   Just need a few more months to start migration.
09:09 < Evilpig> I saw cuda updated on my plex server this morning but nothing is broken so I didn't reboot it
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09:43 < aestetix> question..... do these baptist preachers need to go to seminary or anything to be a preacher?
09:43 < aestetix> since... some of the stuff they say is very, very nonsensicle
09:44 <@Dolemite> yes, if they are going to be preaching at a church that is a member of the convention
09:44 < aestetix> do they have to learn things like philosophy or logic in school?
09:44 <@Dolemite> Independent churches have no such requirements.   They can have lay people as the preachers.
09:44 < aestetix> ok so the independent churches are basically loonie toons who manage to trick people into donating to them every week?
09:45 <@Dolemite> Depends.   Some basically require a Ph.D. in religion/philosophy, which would mean that they had some exposure to those concepts.
09:45 <@Dolemite> Many are
09:45 < aestetix> like that copeland guy
09:45 <@Dolemite> But a lot of the hucksters have realized that having a doctorate lends more credibility to them and their ability to steal from the gullible
09:46 <@Dolemite> Just like you can find a few doctors and nurses that don't believe in vaccinations
09:46 < aestetix> does it have to be from an accredited school?
09:46 <@Dolemite> Some just play the game to get the paper
09:46 < aestetix> I saw that kent hovid has a PhD from basically a one room trailer house bible school
09:46 < aestetix> that's the guy who preaches that dinosaurs and man lived together
09:46 < aestetix> and that the world is 6000 years old
09:46 <@Dolemite> Well a lot of the fundie/pentacostal preachers say the same
09:50 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbCVPkzE-WE
09:50 < PigBot> Kenneth Copeland becomes Demon Possessed on stage. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yh4cxu29
09:50 < aestetix> as a prime example of a loony toon
09:56 <@opticron> maybe the demons won't give him back this time
09:56 <@Mirage_> Dolemite: just chkconfig it to a high number so it starts later, and make sure that whatever it depends on has a lower number
09:57 <@Mirage_> Dolemite: Not a guarantee, but that's how you did it w/ RHEL pre-d
09:57 <@Dolemite> well they are both at the same runlevel
09:58 <@Dolemite> I added in a while [ ! -c /dev/lunuhd0 ] loop to the startup script so that it waits for the dev to be there
09:58 <@Dolemite> er, /dev/lunauhd0
09:58 < Evilpig> I just had a system segfault on pid 1.  thanks system-duh
09:59 < Evilpig> couldn't get it to restart so it had to be bounced. :-/
10:00 <@Mirage_> I do't have an older box laying about, but in the init file for it there is a number that you can set to semi-enforce a startup order
10:00 <@Mirage_> I don't have a 6 box running atm, but I can fire one up in my lab and look at it.
10:23 <@Mirage_> Dolemite: to be compatible, the startup file in init.d needs a line like "# chkconfig: 345 70 30" which defines the runlevels, startup priority, and shutdown priority.   shutdown is optional, startup and runlevel is required
10:24 <@Mirage_> so for runlevels 3,5 and starting at the lowest priority you'd want "# chkconfig: 35 99" 
10:24 <@Dolemite> This one has chkconfig: - 98 15
10:24 <@Dolemite> So I guess the dash means "IDGAF"
10:25 <@Mirage_> 98, then 15?   that's backward.
10:25 <@Dolemite> Last to come up first to shut down
10:26 <@Mirage_> chkconfig may not be honoring that and just starting it up whenever it feels like it instead of trying to enforce an order/priority
10:26 <@Dolemite> I may just put a 10s delay to give it more time to come up
10:26 <@Mirage_> oh, the "-" is holding the place for the runlevel definition.  gotcha
10:28 <@Mirage_> I don't remember anything about "-", not having much luck w/ google so far
10:29 <@Dolemite> yeah I explicitly added in the run levels
10:29 <@Mirage_> https://serverfault.com/questions/29788/what-is-needed-for-a-linux-service-to-be-supported-by-chkconfig
10:29 <@Dolemite> got rid of the dash
10:29 < PigBot> scripting - What is needed for a linux service to be supported by chkconfig? - Server Fault (at serverfault.com) https://tinyurl.com/y76yq6zw
10:29 <@Mirage_> The script must have 2 lines:
10:29 <@Mirage_> # chkconfig: <levels> <start> <stop>
10:29 <@Mirage_> # description: <some description>
10:29 <@Mirage_> After you add the above headers you can run chkconfig --add <service>.
10:35 <@Mirage_> We normally used to copy the top section from some other init script, paste it to the custom one we created/add, then edit it for what we wanted in order to have it "chkconfig compatible", which was a requirement of KMac/Peter
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11:14 <@Mirage_> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/potato-named-doug-may-be-the-largest-ever-unearthed/
11:14 < PigBot>  A potato named Doug may be the largest ever unearthed - CBS News  (at www.cbsnews.com) https://tinyurl.com/ykyclq7j
11:43 < Evilpig> that's a giant tuber
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20:42 <@Dagmar> I just moved some databases from a RockyLinux install to an AlmaLinux install on a different vmhost, partly to get away from some inexplicable kerberos buggery impacting GSS
20:42 <@Dagmar> ...but at least it's stable again now
20:43 <@Dagmar> I even updated it's location in the runbook.
20:43 <@Dagmar> lol
20:43 <@Dagmar> I *hope* to get those entries automatically populating via a script like the other 99% of the post-installation tasks
20:46 <@Dagmar> I am starting to wonder if MediaWiki is what I should have used for this
20:47 <@Dagmar> I've already managed to re-enact the ending of the House on Haunted Hill twice on my home instance
20:47 <@Dagmar> Transclusions are sometimes more "exciting" than we really want them to be
21:50 <@Mirage_> Started watching Invasion this eve.  My take on it so far is that they need a lot more meat and a lot less artsy roundabout bullshit that may have some relevence down the road, but starting off seems pointless and just makes you wanna turn it off and watch something else.
21:53 <@Dagmar> It actually does start showing you something that matters in episodes 3 & 4
21:54 <@Mirage_> I got a bit into 3 and found something else to do.  I'll get back to it and see
21:56 <@jb7od> I just had a great idea- gotta research real quick and see if there's already such thing.. (0_o`
21:57 < Warcop> I've only seen 1 & 2 and it's clearly a lot of set up for each character
21:58 < Warcop> artsy is a good definition of it
22:00 <@Mirage_> Well, it reminds me of the kind of shit that wins tons of awards at some film festival, but tends to put me to sleep.
22:01 <@Mirage_> On a sep note..here's some raunchy goodness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5AzmUECXEw&ab_channel=SarahMillican
22:01 <@Mirage_> Ihadn't heard of her before, but I'm enjoying her stuff.
22:02 < PigBot> My Muckiest Jokes | Sarah Millican - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yj9a9d4a
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22:09 <@jb7od> twilio+php beat me to it, but it's not exactly what I was meaning. 
22:12 <@jb7od> I want a database a bald noob can call and verbally query to free up human operators. Let's pretend these noobs only have a mouth and ears, and can't be bothered with the cyber any more than any other infant. 
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22:24 <@Dagmar> jb7od: That's why whiteboards were invented
22:26 <@jb7od> I wish it were an option. Anything that takes electricity is almost too dangerous, let alone a mailbox
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23:10 <@Mirage_> I like how this guy explains things because of the fact that most people just don't get it...and most scientist don't bother trying to explain it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwoII9TQd8k&ab_channel=DamonScotting
23:10 < PigBot> What YOU Can SEE Through a $1 Billion, $32,000 and an $800 Telescope! 🔭✨👀 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yhoynb2s
23:11 <@Mirage_> And apparently pigbot like emoji's about as much as I do.
23:13 <@Mirage_> Although it would have been a crying shame if he'd actually watched his video before posting it and applied a bit of volume normalization.
23:41 < dasunt> Well, I
23:41 < dasunt> Well, I've spent about an hour today trying to convince another team that they don't want to consume the poison pill, for not only will it kill you, it'll hurt the entire time.  I was slightly successful.
23:42 < dasunt> Goddamnit, if it wasn't for HR, I'd say "you are being fucking idiots, your solution will not work, you should run away, and let the group that has dealt with the known unknowns handle this."
23:45 < dasunt> Our team:  "let's use a hammer!"  Their team:  "A screwdriver will work to pound in a nail, and if it doesn't, we can use a hammer".  Me: "We could just use a hammer."
23:46 < dasunt> Ua
23:47 < dasunt> One day (the day I'll probably get fired, FYI), I'm just going to say "y'all know this is fucking stupid, right?"
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