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06:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:58  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:05 <@Dolemite> We may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.   Man child that has not gone a single day in the past 3 years without wearing a hoodie has now asked if he can go to a semi-formal dance at school near the end of this month.   No hoodies allowed.
07:14 < Evilpig> that doesn't say much, I put on a shirt with buttons for job interviews. ;)
07:14 <@Dolemite> yes, but the teens get into this phase where they refuse to wear anything other than a hoodie, even in the house
07:15 < Evilpig> hoodie and no pants?  I'd probably have an issue with that
07:15 <@Dolemite> So the fact that he's not being made to go to a dance is already a big thing; for it to be semi-formal pushes it WAY over the top
07:15 < Evilpig> although I think ash would be happy if I would put on a hat right now.  she's not happy with the hair situation
07:15 <@Dolemite> I haven't seen my son's bare legs in years.   Track pants and hoodie, 24x7.
07:16 <@Dolemite> He wears it into the bathroom, locks the door, takes a shower, then puts on a fresh set before unlocking the door and exiting the bathroom.
07:16 <@Dolemite> Of course 1 week from now we'll be getting on a cruise ship where he was told that he could either put on a bathing suit and DO THINGS on the ship or he could stay home with grandparents.
07:20 < aestetix> fucking openssh
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07:26 <@Dolemite> Man that 60 Minutes story on Facebook last night...  well, I'm not surprised by it, but I hope it does wake some people up to how they're being manipulated
07:26 <@Dolemite> And I hope Suckerburger gets the shit sued out of him
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07:27 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lx5VmAdZSI
07:27 < PigBot> Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen: The 60 Minutes Interview - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yk4rb4b5
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07:31 < Evilpig> Dolemite: got my fancy new breathing machine.  resmed airsense 10.  it's tiny in comparison to my old one
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07:31 <@Dolemite> Pics or STFU
07:31 <@Dolemite> Ah, that's the same one I have
07:32 < Evilpig> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zzxemLrR3LE1QfUHA
07:32 < PigBot> No Title (at photos.app.goo.gl) https://tinyurl.com/ygzauxfp
07:32 <@Dolemite> And your old one is the same I used to have
07:32 <@Dolemite> which is what I use for travel
07:32 < Evilpig> not anymore you won't
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07:32 <@Dolemite> That's the recalled one?
07:32 < Evilpig> the whole recall problem
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07:32 <@Dolemite> Well the airsense is so much smaller it's convenient to take
07:33 <@Dolemite> Did they replace yours as part of the recall?
07:33 < Evilpig> they are going to
07:33 <@Dolemite> I wonder if that will let me score a backup...
07:33 <@Dolemite> I need to fill out my paperwork
07:33 < Evilpig> I had my yearly checkup and she put me in for a replacement because of the recall and I had been using that for the last 5 years
07:34 <@Dolemite> I like the fact that the new one has the heated hose
07:34 < Evilpig> I've filled out the recall paperwork but they might be a year out from getting stuff fixed
07:34 < Evilpig> I didn't get that option, just went plain.
07:34 <@Dolemite> Ah
07:34 < Evilpig> I did have to order in a top case replacement for the water tank so I can use my soclean dealio
07:35 <@Dolemite> Despite being recommended by Captain Kirk himself, I have not seen the point of getting a SoClean
07:36 < Evilpig> I dont' have to clean it as often with it
07:36 <@Dolemite> I don't clean my mask, I just replace it
07:36 < Evilpig> probably go twice as long between them.  that's been the only real benefit
07:36 < Evilpig> my water tank would get kinda cloudy after a while, it doesn't witht he soclean pumping o3 through it
07:36 < Evilpig> killing off whatever that was
07:37 <@Dolemite> It's probably scale
07:37 <@Dolemite> When I got a whole house water softener my tanks lasted a hell of a lot longer
07:37 < Evilpig> from distilled water though?
07:37 <@Dolemite> oh, I just use tap
07:37 < Evilpig> I only use jugged distilled water
07:37 <@Dolemite> You got cooties in the air
07:37 < Evilpig> that's possible with these animals
07:38 < Evilpig> haha.  "annual fire drill" notice for 3401.  won't miss that
07:38 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I don't miss the take cover and evacuation exercises at work
07:38 <@Dolemite> It inevitably rains the day we have to evacuate
07:40 < Evilpig> can you take cover from a black hole made by the collider?
07:53 <@Dolemite> stop, drop and roll
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08:34 < aestetix> how common is it for someone to live with their parents post-30?
08:36 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gih20iNUpU
08:37 < PigBot> ‘This Is Not What I Pictured When I Graduated High School,’ Says 45-Year-Old Who Lives With Mom - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/ygz9ezv8
08:37 <@Mirage_> https://youtu.be/CTUt26n9k_8
08:37 < PigBot> Local Gas Station Makes Whole Town Laugh Every Day With The Funniest Signs Ever - YouTube (at youtu.be) https://tinyurl.com/yf46ybdw
08:42 < aestetix> I wonder what happened to that guy who took his parents to court to stay living in their house
08:43 < Evilpig> aestetix: pretty sure he lost that one
08:43 <@Mirage_> Dunno, might be the same guy that sued his parents for throwing away his porn collection after he moved out.
08:54 <@Mirage_> Wife's Pixel 3a died.  She said it showed an message on the screen about networks and was acting weird so she restarted it and it wouldn't turn back on.  
08:58 < Evilpig> that stinks
08:58 < Evilpig> been hearing that's been happening recently
08:59 < Evilpig> I finally had to root my Tab S2
08:59 < Evilpig> the letsencrypt thing friday screwed me.  7.1 is the minimum for the new cert chain to work right and that was locked to 7.0
09:00 < Evilpig> so right now i'm re-customizing the tablet after flashing lineage to it and android 11
09:11 <@Dagmar> No, time screwed you
09:11 <@Dagmar> All certs expire.  Unmaintained cert chains are a defect.
09:30 < Evilpig> samsung not releasing updates for devices screwed me
09:31 < Evilpig> lets be clear there.  the letsencrypt thing was gonna happen, but samsung's garbage policy of not releasing updates so you're forced to buying a new supported device is the real issue
09:32 < Evilpig> my tab s2 is still a good device.  it plays my simpsons game, it lets me look at boobs on reddit, and it shows me the news just fine.  it's still peppy and surprisingly the battery isn't shit
09:32 < Evilpig> they made a decent device and left it to rot
09:51 <@Dagmar> Wow.  Some of the cragistlist users this week are "special"
09:52 <@Dagmar> Someone selling a "Sansui" turntable "from early 1980's"
09:52 <@Dagmar> No stylus, and it's missing a foot.
09:52 <@Dagmar> Only $1,100
09:52 <@Dagmar> Oh they also apparently broke the stylus arm holder when dusting it
10:30 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Yeah, the android tablets I had (mine were ASUS) led me to simply switch over to a cheap Windows 10 tablet.   At least it's getting updates and for what I wanted - very portable PLEX viewing and ebook reading - it hits the spot.
10:35 < Evilpig> Dolemite: I'm gonna say if you can find a 9.7" Tab S2 for cheap, snatch it
10:36 < Evilpig> a week from now I might say otherwise, but right now it's looking good
10:42 < Evilpig> well damn these 5+ year old tablets are still selling for $100+ 
10:48 < Evilpig> useless network security.  swear to god...
10:48 < Evilpig> they're now on their third attempt for ths one ticket
10:49 < Evilpig> and my ticket from last week about them dropping tcp/53?  oh well dude apparently took a few PTO days off and got back to it this morning and low and behold yeah there was traffic getting dropped to some of the other dns appliances so he put in those fixes for 9 this morning
10:52 < Evilpig> https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/facebook
10:53 < PigBot> Facebook down? Current problems and status. (at downforeveryoneorjustme.com) https://tinyurl.com/yezfy3p6
10:53 < Evilpig> lol
10:53 <@Dagmar> They're probably trying desperately to find a way to block the spread of the information about their sleazy business practices without being obvious that they're suddenly now really interested in censorship
10:53 <@Dagmar> Zuckerburg is going to get buttfucked over that
10:54 < Evilpig> https://downdetector.com/
10:54 < PigBot> 403 <!DOCTYPE html>
10:54 < Evilpig> facebook buy quickbooks or just weird coincidence?
10:55 <@Dagmar> I mean, it can't really get any worse than what he's been spending the last several years telling Congress, than to have someone drop proof that not only did they know they were deliberately driving entire societies into a froth, but that they had the option to not do that and took a pass becasue it would be less profitable
11:00 <@Dolemite> yep, and I hope Suckerburger gets plenty of time in a real prison for it
11:00 <@Dolemite> Not that pansy one that is on a golf course
11:00 <@Dolemite> Maybe they can assign Epstein's guards to watch him
11:09 <@Dagmar> wot
11:13 <@Mirage_> Well, T-Mobile certainly has shittier policies and customer service than Sprint.  Took wife's phone in.  All repair centers have been closed, T-Mobile will not swap out a phone in-store under insurance, instead they give you a 1-800 number and tell you to call it.
11:15 <@Mirage_> Wow, yeah...and calling the 800 number pretty much just says "go to this web site and file a claim"
11:32 <@Mirage_> Starting to feel like dealing with Comcast.  Got logged into the site w/ my account (after having to reset the password and PIN on the T-Mobile site) entered all the info and then it told me to take it to a local repair center, but it no repair center was available in my area to call the number I called originally.
11:33 <@Dolemite> yeah T-Mobile has definitely turned the Sprint customers into red headed step children
11:33 <@Dolemite> We already got fucked over with their move-up of the CDMA retirement by over a year
11:34 <@Dolemite> We had just paid off our much better LG phones that we had and they were all in great condition...  but by 12/31 of this year they'd be hockey pucks
11:34 <@Dolemite> But to get the offer of a free 5G phone to replace it, we had to stick with our Sprint plans and couldn't switch to the T-Mobile Magenta Maxx plans
11:35 <@Dolemite> Even though they claim that all the plans are being merged...
11:37 <@Mirage_> son of a bitch
11:39 <@Mirage_> apparently at some point the insurance was set to only be linked to my phone and not hers.
11:39 <@Mirage_> what a crock of shit
12:06 < Evilpig> this outage is getting bigger.  someone fucked something big up.  aws is showing outages now
12:09 <@Dolemite> and cloudflare 
12:12 <@Dagmar> It should be dying back down by now
12:12 <@Dagmar> Oh dear
12:13 < Evilpig> someone pushed a bad bgp update.  this is my prediction
12:15 <@Dagmar> Okay well, some of it is also just pure stupid
12:17 < Catonic> I have been laughing for the last hour at this.
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12:20 <@Catonic> it's dns. none of the DNS resolves. Which is really funny, because there should be at least four DNS records via the registrar. So this kinda looks like a registrar DDoS.
12:21 <@Dagmar> Or Facebook just turning things off because of how bad their press is this morning
12:21 <@Dagmar> That Facebook's authoritative NS records are both unreachable and within the facebook.com zone is just hilarious tho
12:23 <@Catonic> yeah, he.net looking glass shows learned routes
12:23 <@Dagmar> eh?
12:25 <@Dagmar> You think maybe their registrar just dropped them from the NS tables?
12:25 <@Dagmar> ....or possibly they were hacked and FB's entries deleted?
12:26 <@Dagmar> That they're resolving from absolutely _nowhere_ is kind of amusing
12:27 <@Catonic> ntt.net looking glass shows no learned routes.
12:39 <@eryc> authoritative NS records are stored in the gtld servers
12:40 <@Mirage_> today is certainly monday.  Found that "UBreakIFix" does repair on Google devices, so went to the nearest location.  While in the lobby waiting to be helped her phone powers on.
12:41 <@Mirage_> Dunno if it's working now, though because even though we both have our fingerprints set on the phones, I don't know her PIN and it requires it to unlock after powering up.
12:55 <@Dagmar> eryc: Having them within their own zone poses special problems tho
12:56 <@Dagmar> If they did like other people and had those in some _other_ zone, then them being down wouldn't be bringing quite everything so immediately to full stop
13:22 <@eryc> idk
13:22 <@eryc> it would need its own routes
13:22 <@eryc> sounds like they broke their routing advertisements
13:22 <@Dagmar> Holy shit that they're _still down_ is just jaw-dropping
13:23 <@eryc> dns isn't going to help much if none of their IPs route
13:23 <@Dolemite> Somebody done fucked it up good
13:23 <@Dagmar> Maybe they figure if everyone's busy talking about how bad Facebook is at networking they won't be talking about how bad Zuckerberg is at lying to Congress
13:23 <@eryc> maybe we'll see something eventually on https://status.fb.com/
13:24 <@Dagmar> When it, you know, comes back up
13:24 <@Dagmar> It
13:25 <@Dagmar> It'll probably have a shitpost blaming BIden for bringing Covid to Israel via one weird trick
13:25 < PigBot> openDCIM Data Center Inventory (at status.fb.com login/password dcim/dcim) https://tinyurl.com/ydwfvbdv
13:25 <@eryc> heh
13:25 < Evilpig> lol
13:25 <@eryc> Evilpig: ^
13:25 <@eryc> heh
13:26 < Evilpig> I have a wildcard for some stuff and I guess it failed back to that
13:26 <@Dagmar> Am I missing something or does status.fb.com actually work for oen of you
13:26 <@Dagmar> Oh
13:26 <@eryc> nah
13:26 <@eryc> Evilpig broke facebook tho
13:26 <@eryc> too many donuts
13:26 < Evilpig> I'd take credit for it
13:27 < Evilpig> i got a few of these cinnamon roll donuts from krispy kreme on saturday.  they are damn tasty
13:27 <@Dolemite> Apparently you've learned nothing from Wilford Brimley
13:28 < Evilpig> what was I supposed to learn?  donuts are tasty?  mustaches are best when bushy?
13:28 <@Dolemite> How to manage that die-uh-beet-us
13:43 <@Catonic> sorry, got distracted. FB's NS servers have 4 IPs, and none of the routes for those 4 IPs are currently being distributed via BGP, except for two and only from PWCC which peers with he.net.
13:44 <@Catonic> in r/sysadmin there's a thread and an investigator is on the thread and has commented that at this point the issue is related to physical access because of staffing levels during COVID.
13:45 <@Dagmar> So someone got at an unlocked console?
13:45 <@Catonic> No, someone is trying to get at a console so they can revert the problem in at least one of the routers, I'm assuming.
13:47 <@Catonic> ... and he deleted his reddit account.
13:47 <@Catonic> https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/q181fv/looks_like_facebook_is_down/
13:48 <@Dagmar> looool
13:48 < PigBot> Looks Like Facebook Is Down : sysadmin (at old.reddit.com) https://tinyurl.com/yggslxcl
14:02 < Evilpig> Mirage_: looks like you missed an opportunity for some mischief in dallas.  https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/pz8uw3/dallas_city_review_released_thursday_finds/
14:02 < PigBot> Dallas city review released Thursday finds deletion of 20GB of data was due to poor policies, processes, planning and oversight : sysadmin (at www.reddit.com) https://tinyurl.com/yg7l9b4e
14:02 < Evilpig> dunno how to make it where your records would be in the culling
14:09 <@Dagmar> You'd think they could have at least found a thumbdrive to archive that stuff to
14:16 <@Dagmar> loooool
14:16 <@Dagmar> https://twitter.com/GavinDYoung/status/1445077064126799879
14:16 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) https://tinyurl.com/yds2o9fn
14:25 <@xray> Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Oculus are down. Here’s what we know
14:25 <@xray> The root cause of the worldwide outage appears to be a flubbed BGP route update.
14:25 <@xray> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/10/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-and-oculus-are-down-heres-what-we-know/
14:25 < PigBot> Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Oculus are down. Here’s what we know | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) https://tinyurl.com/yj89ubt8
14:26 <@Dagmar> So you kinda have to ask... under what conditions is it ever likely to be the right thing to do to _withdraw_ all of one's BGP routes?
14:48 <@eryc> it may be that they aren't being accepted
14:49 <@Dolemite> that's what I got from the ars technica article
14:49 <@Dolemite> they done fucked up and only someone local can fix it
14:49 <@Dolemite> well, they say that, but sure they have an out of band network
14:49 <@Dolemite> wait, no, this is Facebook we're talking about
14:50 <@eryc> zuckerberg is trying to  call people to get past the man traps and they're like "i can't verify this is mark zuckerberg because the secretpassword.fb.com site is down"
14:50 <@Dolemite> I knew we shouldn't have enabled that "Login with Facebook" plugin on our firewall
15:17 <@Dagmar> eryc: looooool
15:43 <@Catonic> That poor redditor is now cited as a primary source by big name articles.
15:45 <@Catonic> It's a massive cluster-frankie. Since they have divided roles and responsibilities, the building access people are different than the data center floor techs and those are different people than the router engineers... and no one in their right mind will believe that is really Mark Zuckerberg on the phone.
16:04 < Evilpig> if nobody is believing it's him on the phone then security somewhere has done their job properly
16:11 <@Dagmar> Somewhere in there is probably a redteam guy just enjoying the show
16:12 <@Catonic> 2021-10-4: this has got to be the biggest conventional news day since 9/11/01.
16:12 <@Dagmar> What I *don't* get is why there appears to be a correlation with just a crapton of unrelated stuff having issues at the same time, according to Downdetector
16:13 <@Dagmar> Maybe it's just a matter of craploads of things using Facebook Oauth are now fucked?
16:13 <@Catonic> and those people are clicking "report" and mis-filing the problem
16:13 <@Dagmar> I can see Facebook users being that dumb
16:14 <@Dagmar> ...but a lot of these are _not_ beholden to Facebook Oauth
16:15 <@Dagmar> Verizon, T-Mobile, Bank of America?
16:15 <@Dagmar> Hinge and Southwest Airlines just spiked, I guess out of sympathy?
16:17 < Evilpig> I dunno.  if they really botched some bgp push and somehow triggered a bug that is trickling into other routes.  they could go from fuckup to disaster 
16:33 <@eryc> all of the sites you listed are up
16:48 <@eryc> this is back up https://status.fb.com/
16:48 < PigBot> Facebook for Business Status (at status.fb.com) https://tinyurl.com/ydwfvbdv
16:58 <@Dagmar> ...and now it's going to flap for a bit because of all the loons hitting it at once trying to post their stale lunch pictures
16:59 <@Dagmar> twainwek: Honestly, the DIMMs are nothing.  What should really worry people is why ASUS thought that dimly-illuminating a couple of purely decorative circuit traces was worth bothering
16:59 <@Dagmar> !@#!@#
19:11 <@Mirage_> Just checked my work email for a response I need and noticed that a thread I'd also responded to, which should have resolved it, was still ongoing and becoming quite heated.   Responded again with the answer and pointed out that they completely missed the updates in the email from earlier.  Maybe they will wake the fuck up...maybe they'll keep being a bunch of chicken little's screaming "the sky is 
19:11 <@Mirage_> falling!!!!" for no good reason.
19:15 <@Dagmar> Well, Facebook was down.
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