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05:33 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:46  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
05:50 <@Dolemite> still can't believe my cow-orker is going to give up his six figure job because he won't get vaccinated
05:51 <@Dolemite> Several mayors/sherrifs around here have stated that they will not comply with the new requirements for all businesses with 100+ employees to either be vaccinated or get weekly tests
05:51 <@Dolemite> so he probably thinks he can get a job at one of them
05:52 < aestetix> wait what
05:52 < aestetix> wow
05:52 < aestetix> why won't get the vaccine?
05:52 <@Dolemite> Because "unlike a lot of people I actually do research about the vaccines"
05:52 < aestetix> Does that include talking to doctors?
05:53 <@Dolemite> Well his issue is based in truth.   His objection is that they utilized stem cells derived from an aborted faetus (from 1955, mind you) in the early development of the covid vaccine
05:54 < aestetix> so it is a religous objection?
05:59 <@Dolemite> yep
05:59 < aestetix> Aren't there religious exemptions?
06:03 < aestetix> My neighbor has decided that today is a good time to take up a new instrument: the hammer
06:13 <@Dolemite> aestetix: supposedly there are, but his was denied
06:14 <@Dolemite> I would imagine that it went something like this...
06:14 <@Dolemite> "I have an objection to having my body violated by injecting me with aborted fetal cells.  That's akin to rape."
06:15 <@Dolemite> Legal - "Can you confirm that you had Covid-19 earlier this year?"
06:15 <@Dolemite> Cow-orker - "Yep"
06:15 <@Dolemite> Legal - "Did you refuse to receive the monoclonal antibody treatment?"
06:15 <@Dolemite> Cow-orker - "Nope"
06:16 <@Dolemite> Legal - "It was developed using the same stem cell line as the vaccine.   I guess it only matters when you're already close to dying."
06:16 <@Dolemite> Legal - "Exemption denied"
06:16 <@Dolemite> And yes, he did use the term 'rape' when talking to me about his objection
06:16 < aestetix> What is monoclonal?
06:17 <@Dolemite> That's the remdesivir drug
06:18 <@Dolemite> It's basically made by cloning a white blood cell, but the cloning only works once, hence the 'mono'
06:18 <@Dolemite> er, no
06:18 <@Dolemite> It's a clone of a singly unique white blood cell and doesn't mutate
06:18 <@Dolemite> hance the mono
06:18 <@Dolemite> hence
06:19 <@Dolemite> So they took white blood cells from someone that had recovered from Covid19 as the basis
06:20 <@Dolemite> But in the early testing they used that same stem cell line to test them
06:21 <@Dolemite> Science/medicine has also been using those stem cell lines for decades to produce medicine which I'm sure he's been taking
06:22 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: FYI, if you grabbed the same Star Wars Visions as I did via Sonarr, the numbers are off.
06:23 < aestetix> god damnit
06:24 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, well, maybe not.   It looks like the metadata has changed and now the episode titles match.
06:24 < aestetix> one of the problems with living in europe is that us-based companies do maintenance when it's morning or afternoon for me
06:24 < aestetix> so that sometimes I just can't log into something
06:35 < Evilpig> fuck religious exemptions based on fetal stem cell arguments.  ridiculous
06:36 <@Dolemite> Well that's pretty much what legal said
06:37 < aestetix> Evilpig: I don't agree. Religious arguments need to be respected, within reason.
06:38 < aestetix> AKA you don't force a jewish person to eat pork, etc
06:38 < Evilpig> Show me a picture of scientists and a satanic alter collecting baby parts for research and i'll give you a religious exemption
06:38 <@Dolemite> This is not within reason, though.  This is a case of someone not applying their "belief" unilaterally.
06:39 < aestetix> Dolemite: yeah exactly
06:39 < Evilpig> when we're talking about stem cells that are basically blueprints for cells, it isn't the same
06:39 < aestetix> Dolemite: if the guy had protested before, that would make sense
06:39 <@Dolemite> It's fine as long as he doesn't know about it, apparently
06:40 <@Dolemite> Kind of like how a Jew might love some southern green beans until someone points out that it's cooked with a giant ham hock in it.
06:41 < Evilpig> too much crap loaded last night.  don't know if I want to watch free guy now, or see what they did to clockwork orange with this 4k remaster, or start the new season of doom patrol
06:41 <@Dolemite> Star Wars Visions
06:41 <@Dolemite> they're bite sized 13 minute episodes
06:41 < aestetix> Dolemite: the guy knew the thing before was made from stem cells?
06:42 < Evilpig> also got archer, lower decks, new season of creepshow, and that star wars visions thing
06:42 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Likely not, but lots of medicines use that same testing method.  What I'm saying is that he likely doesn't want to research his other medications that keep him alive - he has a heart condition.
06:43 <@Dolemite> So if it turns out his heart medication was also tested using stem cells, would he stop taking it, knowing that he'll end up dying in excruciating pain?
06:44 < aestetix> Dolemite: well, usually a religion would be in favor of life, so, if the medicine was the only way to keep him alive, it would be allowed
06:44 < aestetix> (and to be honest, that's the same logic they COULD use for the vaccines...)
06:45 < aestetix> Like for example, a lot of religions oppose using birth control, but I believe there are some diseases that the pill actually helps fight against
06:46 < aestetix> And so while the pill is nominally birth control, the life-saving application is allowed
06:46 < aestetix> ..... at least when it's logical and not some anti-vaxer moron
06:46 <@Dolemite> Well even Da Pope has come out in favor of the vaccines
06:46 < aestetix> yeah exactly
06:47 < aestetix> He used the same logic.... the vaccine will clearly save many many lives
06:47 < aestetix> it's just people from the Church of the Screaming Idiot or whatever :p
06:47 <@Dolemite> I don't know what church he goes to, but I suspect it's either one of these charismatic churches based on Church of God / Church of God of Prophecy.
06:48 <@Dolemite> This region is heavy with those, since the world headquarters for both are in Cleveland, TN, which is just about an hour from here.
06:49 <@Dolemite> Lately a lot of churches have been springing up that don't carry the names of Church of God / CoG of Prophecy, but they sure do have the same basic beliefs
06:49 <@Dolemite> Likely because CoG/CoGoP already has a reputation of being extreme
06:52 <@Dolemite> I worked for Bowater Paper Company for a little over a year as part of a college co-op program...   lived in Cleveland.   Talk about some crazy shit.
06:53 <@Dolemite> CoG pretty much has people speaking in tongues every single week
06:53 < aestetix> I searched for "church of god" on youtube to see what it was
06:53 < aestetix> and learned about this guy named kenneth copeland
06:53 <@Dolemite> Ah, yes
06:53 < aestetix> did he really push a guy in a wheelchair?
06:53 < aestetix> like knock him over
06:54 <@Dolemite> Well they're all actors
06:54 <@Dolemite> Plants
06:54 <@Dolemite> Whatever you want to call them
06:54 <@Dolemite> They are playing a role to help bring people into the fold
06:55 <@Dolemite> This is what really happens at those services
06:55 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTcsmn-ygIw
06:55 < PigBot> FARTING MEETING 2020 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yfj5mjnb
06:59 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwoBUl_Jbts
06:59 < aestetix> this guy looks insane
06:59 < PigBot> "The Kenneth Copeland Wheelchair Disaster of 2021" (That You're Supposed to Ignore) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yfudupr6
07:00 <@Dolemite> Yeah, these poor people see Ken "heal" his actors and believe it's real
07:00 <@Dolemite> So they come to the show and believe they'll truly be healed...  and they're not
07:01 < aestetix> Dolemite: so you know people who go to this stuff?
07:02 <@Dolemite> Yes
07:03 <@Dolemite> My aunt who I had to unfriend of FB is one 
07:03 <@Dolemite> :%s/of/on
07:03 <@Dolemite> And I've worked with people who I know go to these types of churches
07:03 <@Dolemite> and revivals
07:04 <@Dolemite> My parents don't believe in the faith healers that do these performances, but they do believe prayer has the power to heal
07:04 <@Dolemite> And well, prayer is just meditation and focus...  so in a way that can be healing, but only for yourself
07:09 < aestetix> How long do those shows last
07:09 < aestetix> is it like two hours of that guy walking around and "healing" random people?
07:09 <@Dolemite> Most church services are 1 hour, with about 20-25 minutes for the sermon.   That's the typical liturgical formula.
07:10 <@Dolemite> The charismatic churches, however, reject liturgy and roll their own.
07:10 <@Dolemite> Often times they are 2 hours or more.
07:10 < aestetix> no kidding
07:10 < aestetix> I've never seen a church where the priest gets up and walks around and "heals" people
07:10 <@Dolemite> But regular services are still 90 minutes or less in those.  
07:10 < aestetix> How do they not see through that bullshit
07:10 <@Dolemite> Because they are desperate people
07:12 <@Dolemite> The latest thing over the past 20 years or so has been "Prosperity Gospel"
07:13 < Evilpig> friend from high school on the book of face this morning celebrating their kid's 6 year anniversary into accepting christ.  I really want to ask why they celebrate the day they joined a cult. and then have a little fun poking at the similarities between organized religion and cults
07:13 < aestetix> now if you put your hand on someone and they start speaking in fluent german, without ever knowing german before, I'll be impressed
07:14 < aestetix> or russia, or whatever else they don't know
07:14 < aestetix> what does "accepting christ" mean? were they baptised or something?
07:15 < Evilpig> that's it, they joined the church
07:15 < aestetix> actually that would be fucking cool if a guy put his hand on you and you could speak a new language
07:16 <@Dolemite> So there's the Baptist version of it, which is where you were publicly baptised and added to the church role
07:16 < aestetix> an actual language, like if you could suddenly open a book of ancient greek and read it fluently
07:17 <@Dolemite> And then there's a more liberal definition, which is that you model your life after the example set by Christ.   Meaning that you try to not be a dick.
07:18 < Evilpig> "Happy Spiritual Birthday to our girl!  6 years ago today she made Jesus the Lord and Savior of her life. Our prayer has always been that she would love the Lord, love His Word, love His church, serve Him, and make Him known to a lost world. Goodness He has been so faithful! He has used her to reach her peers, and we are excited to see how He continues to use her as she grows in her walk with Him. We love to celebrate the day we became new creations in Christ!"
07:18 < Evilpig> take from it what you will.  
07:18 < Evilpig> she joined a cult
07:18 < aestetix> how old is the kid?
07:19 < Evilpig> teen
07:19 < aestetix> "spiritual birthday" huh
07:19 <@opticron> yikes
07:19 < Evilpig> 1) joined an organization that follows a single dude  2) encourages others to join 
07:21 < aestetix> a single dude = whoever the pastor is?
07:21 < aestetix> like that copeland guy
07:21 <@Dolemite> The non-demonational ones are the churches that scare me the most
07:21 < aestetix> ok so
07:21 < Evilpig> for this example that leader is jesus.  but it could be any charismatic leader figure pulling the strings from the shadows.
07:21 <@Dolemite> they are loosely affiliated with others, but basically the pastor pretty much determines what the core beliefs are
07:22 < aestetix> are these churches the origins of groups like the KKK?
07:22 <@Dolemite> No
07:22 < aestetix> Evilpig: well, I'd say many of them probably *claim* to follow jesus, when they actually follow who that copeland guy tells them jesus is
07:23 <@Dolemite> And I disagree with Evilpig - Jesus has been dead for 2000 years.  He's not directly interacting with people.  It's the pastors that I'm worried about.
07:24 <@Dolemite> The pastor is the "shepherd" and the congregation is known as the flock, which is ironic since most of the evangelical crowd refers to liberals as sheep.
07:24 < aestetix> Wasn't jesus mostly about peace and being good to each other?
07:24 < aestetix> Dolemite: hahahaha I never thought about that
07:24 <@Dolemite> Yes, modern evangelical followers are pretty much the opposite of Jesus
07:24 <@Dolemite> But that's the Prosperity Gospel
07:25 <@Dolemite> The idea that Jesus died so that they can live a life of prosperity and be assholes - you know, the opposite of Jesus
07:25 <@Dolemite> When in reality what Jesus said was that to enter heaven you needed to follow his example
07:26 <@Dolemite> Be a good person, help people in need, remain humble
07:26 < Evilpig> Dolemite: I don't directly blame jesus, but the stuff is being done in his name.  these people have the belief that if they claim their actions are in his name they are not to be questioned.
07:26 <@Dolemite> Oh I agree with you right there - the worst atrocities in history have been committed in the name of Jesus
07:26 <@Dolemite> or God, in general
07:27 < aestetix> Dolemite: I'm not sure I agree with that, because ancient history has some pretty nasty stuff
07:27 < aestetix> I guess you could argue it was done in the name of zeus or something
07:27 < aestetix> but you can't do something in the name of jesus.... before jesus existed :p
07:28 <@Dolemite> The Crusades
07:28 <@Dolemite> The Dark Ages
07:28 <@Dolemite> The Spanish Inquisition
07:28 <@Dolemite> 9/11
07:28 < aestetix> All of that happened after jesus was born :p
07:28 <@Dolemite> Uh, no it didn't
07:28 <@Dolemite> er, whoops, I misread that
07:28 < aestetix> haha
07:29 < aestetix> yeah I was referring to.... nasty things happened BC
07:29 <@Dolemite> As I said - in the name of Jesus or God
07:29 < aestetix> you can't say something that happened BC was due to jesus
07:29 <@Dolemite> or gods
07:29 < aestetix> yeah ok maybe zeus or something
07:29 < aestetix> Just like there was no discussion about if it would be moral to kill baby hitler in 1700
07:42 <@Dolemite> LOL https://boingboing.net/2021/09/22/atlantic-staff-writer-david-frum-angers-trump-voters-by-calling-them-obese-drug-abusers-who-enjoy-weirdly-homoerotic-fan-images-of-trump.html
07:42 < PigBot> Atlantic staff writer David Frum angers Trump voters by calling them obese drug abusers who enjoy "weirdly homoerotic fanfic images of Trump" | Boing Boing (at boingboing.net) https://tinyurl.com/yjfrea5o
07:43 <@Dolemite> And the icing on the antivaxx cake...
07:43 <@Dolemite> "In 2020, data showed that 64,714 Alabama residents died and only 57,641 were born. Even in World War II or the 1918 flu pandemic, there was never a time that deaths exceeded births, Harris added."
07:44 <@Dolemite> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-deaths-surge-alabama-state-reports-deaths-births/story?id=80157191
07:44 < PigBot> COVID deaths surge in Alabama, after state reports more deaths than births in 2020 - ABC News (at abcnews.go.com) https://tinyurl.com/yfdmopuh
07:45 <@Mirage_> Dagmar: Fun with grafting or going a bit too far?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik3l4U_17bI
07:45 < PigBot> This Crazy Tree Grows 40 Kinds of Fruit | National Geographic - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/qh2ej5e
07:49 <@Dolemite> Jeebus look at how fat these raccoons are
07:49 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofp26_oc4CA
07:49 < PigBot> Mobbed by Raccoons (25) Tuesday Night 03 Nov 2020 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/y6g8wxbf
08:17 <@Mirage_> Pretty good piece:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOH8cOsye4s
08:17 < PigBot> Angry, Vaccinated Americans May Power Democratic Surge In 2021 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yhvr5wfj
08:32 <@eryc> good morning you god angering lunatics
08:42 <@Dolemite> https://images.app.goo.gl/JNuvZwgMcpMioyLt7
08:42 < PigBot> No Title (at images.app.goo.gl) https://tinyurl.com/ygyqsgbg
08:43 <@Dolemite> I'm not angering God, but I am angering Evilpig by pointing out that by getting a vaccine, he's doing what Jesus commanded ;)
08:45 <@Dolemite> Ermahgerd, we're getting 17 Afghan refugees in Knoxville.   Time for all of my neighbors that were pissed off about the US leaving all those Afghanistan people to actually step up and hel...   er, oops, looks like they don't want 'em.
09:10 < Evilpig> Mirage_: I've seen those trees of many fruits written about several times and that is possibly the neatest art project ever done
09:13 <@Mirage_> I hadn't seen anything on those before, but I've seen lots of other stuff about grafting plants/trees to lesser extents.   Figured Dag would get a kick out of it if he hadn't seen it based on past conversations on the subject.
09:16 < Evilpig> https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/living/tree-40-fruit-sam-van-aken-feat/index.html
09:16 < PigBot> Growing 40 types of fruit on one tree | CNN (at www.cnn.com) https://tinyurl.com/rncsykf
09:16 < Evilpig> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_40_Fruit
09:16 < PigBot> Tree of 40 Fruit - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) https://tinyurl.com/yhota9af
09:16 < Evilpig> They are REALLY neat.  
09:18 < Evilpig> this is the first time i've seen this though.  https://www.samvanaken.com/trees
09:18 < PigBot> Trees — Sam Van Aken (at www.samvanaken.com) https://tinyurl.com/yzav4ear
09:20 <@Mirage_> Evilpig: the one I posted was also from 2015.  I didn't say it was new..
09:28 <@Dolemite> Ok, stock market.   I hear you.   I see you.   Keep going on with your bad self.
10:19 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I just saw the text of the HR email...   get this...   my cow-orker's religious exemption was accepted, but all that means is that he can remain an employee, but will be on unpaid leave indefinitely.
10:19 <@Dolemite> Talk about threading the needle
10:20 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pmchpf/this_hospital_systems_religious_exemption_form/
10:20 < PigBot> This hospital system's "religious exemption" form for staff that refuses the COVID-19 vaccine : HermanCainAward (at www.reddit.com) https://tinyurl.com/yhrly6zo
10:20 <@_NSAKEY> That image has a better list of other stuff using the same stem cells
10:20 <@_NSAKEY> Basically, if you use modern medicine, you don't get to claim a religious exemption while staying consistent in your "beliefs"
10:24 <@Dolemite> pretty much
10:25 <@Dolemite> I was hoping that would be the tactic that we used here
10:31 < Evilpig> I like this unpaid leave tactic but seems like that can't be legal.  the gamble is that people will quit and then they can't file unemployment, etc surely there is a legal fight there to be had
10:41 <@Dolemite> Well you are welcome to use up your vacation days
10:41 <@Dolemite> But if you choose to quit, correct, you don't qualify for unemployment
10:41 <@Dolemite> The legal eagles with us and DOE all consulted on how to apply the rule
10:42 <@Dolemite> And even though our group is remote, they are consistently applying the same rules to all
10:43 <@Dolemite> The main rule being that allowing for remote work would place an undue burden upon the business
10:43 <@Dolemite> Because that's what most of the religious exemption people were planning on...   being able to simply keep working from home
10:44 <@Dolemite> hrmm, time for some luncheez.   I think I'll heat up some pasta.
10:56 <@Mirage_> I had a serious WTF moment last night when I went into the kitchen while the news was on and they mentioned "Willie Garson", which was confused with them saying "Willie Nelson"
11:29 <@Mirage_> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58636969
11:29 < PigBot> The edible insects coming to a supermarket near you - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) https://tinyurl.com/ydkvnvq2
11:31 <@Mirage_> "Mr Tamir admits that "the yuck factor" is one of his industry's most important challenges."
11:31 <@Mirage_> Um, yeah.. but I bet if you battered,friedand dusted them with a little sugar, the south would be all over them
11:33 <@Mirage_> IMO this is a tough debate: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57734572
11:33 < PigBot> 'Down's syndrome abortion law doesn't respect my life' - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) https://tinyurl.com/yftwzwaa
11:34 <@Mirage_> Diagnosing Down's is one thing, but determining the other associated mental/medical complications is completely different.
11:36 <@Mirage_> There are a lot of high functioning Down's people in the world, but there are also a lot who require lifelong general care due to learning deficiencies, extensive/expensive medical care, etc as well.   
12:35 <@opticron> offering terminations up to the time of birth is kind of fucked up...but then I don't know when the test can actually be performed
12:37 <@opticron> I also have no idea what the mechanics of an abortion are that late in development
12:39 <@Dolemite> Well, not Down's specific, but there are many cases where the fetus dies in the womb.   One of our miscarriages fit that case.   Had we not been able to obtain what is medically termed an abortion, my wife would have continued to carry around that dead fetus in her womb until her body eventually ejected it.   Just think of the trauma that would have added to an already tragic situation.
12:39 <@Dolemite> Many people don't realize that those numbers are part of the abortion numbers
12:39 <@opticron> yeah, it seems like everything sucks on all sides when you're talking about late term abortions
12:40 <@Dolemite> Well this was just inside the second trimester because we'd just started telling people
12:40 <@opticron> oof
12:40 <@opticron> my condolences
12:40 <@Dolemite> Thanks
12:42 <@Dolemite> But yeah, if you look at the statistics for number of abortions on an annual basis...  and then compare to the number of fertile women, it just doesn't add up
12:43 <@Dolemite> It would require a HUGE percentage of fertile women to be pregnant each year, a large chunk of which would then have to cross a picket line to get into a Planned Parenthood clinic
12:43 <@Dolemite> Then you look at states like Mississippi where there's only one clinic
12:43 <@Dolemite> As Mark Twain said, though.   There are three kinds of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics.
12:44 <@Dolemite> I read that on the internet so it has to be the correct attribution
14:52 <@_NSAKEY> "There are three kinds of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Kung Jong Il
15:00 <@Dolemite> I doubt he even spoke Engrish!
15:45 <@Mirage_> Here ya go.  The video is supposed to show separating ethanol from gasoline, but it also shows exactly why ethanol is bad for carbs, valves, and fuel injectors:  https://youtu.be/7VwxRVATbOQ?t=1211
15:45 < PigBot> How To Remove Ethanol From E10 Unleaded Fuel To Use In Lawnmowers And Small Engines - YouTube (at youtu.be) https://tinyurl.com/yh2wgors
16:04 <@xray> 'Funeral home' ad spreads message for the unvaccinated
16:04 <@xray> https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/us/covid-vaccine-billboard-funeral-home-ad-agency-trnd/index.html
16:04 < PigBot> 'Funeral home' ad spreads message for the unvaccinated - CNN (at www.cnn.com) https://tinyurl.com/yesdledb
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17:48 < Evilpig> lol pics or shens.  Dagmar you make me laugh
17:50 < Evilpig> my aunt isn't incapable of critical thinking she just refuses to acknowledge that she got it wrong.  she's a petulant child doubling down on her nonsense.  she's got some mental issues that my uncle say got way more pronounced after she had a stroke two years ago.
20:08 <@_NSAKEY> This whole saga is just weird as hell https://www.wsmv.com/news/investigations/amazon-fraudulent-account-sent-muzzle-to-former-top-vaccine-expert/article_6d287940-1cab-11ec-b697-df83b120b286.html?block_id=994460
20:08 < PigBot> Amazon: Fraudulent account sent muzzle to former top vaccine expert | Investigations | wsmv.com (at www.wsmv.com) https://tinyurl.com/yjsejjmp
20:25 < Evilpig> "Rossman said that reoccurring charges can continue on your credit card even if you get a new number."
20:25 < Evilpig> what?!  this dude regularly works with credit cards and thinks this?
23:15 <@Dagmar> Well, bank drafts can.  Straight credit card transactions can't
23:16 <@Dagmar> ...and as far as Linda is concerned, I'm willing to walk her through understanding why whatever the hell it was she got nuked is wrong
23:17 <@Dagmar> A younger person might actually manage to understand that they're operating out of fear and not "instinct" but an older person, no...
23:17 <@Dagmar> But she's gotta stop trying to nose around in other people's business
23:17 <@Dagmar> That's just _rude_ and she should know better
23:19 <@Dagmar> As to that muzzle, I think _most_ of us could produce a short list of the people to look at who might have the ability to snoop that woman's credit card deets
23:20 <@Dagmar> She should never have put that card into any equipment issued by the state
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