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01:16 <@Mirage_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poSfKrx-i9g&ab_channel=MercuryFalcon
01:16 < PigBot> The Birth of Macross - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/ygokcrpm
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03:42 < aestetix> ok
03:43 < aestetix> many of you lean libertarian, so maybe you have a suggestion
03:43 < aestetix> how can a conference verify someone is vaccinated without forcing attendees to show ID?
03:43 < aestetix> aka to prevent someone from faking a vaccination card
03:44 < aestetix> The best answer I've come up with is having a trusted HIPAA compliant third party like someone from a hospital be at registration to do the verification.
03:45 < aestetix> Since if there is an outbreak at the conference, you kinda need to know who came into contact. But you also don't want that data to be hacked, shared, sold, etc, and it should be destroyed after like a month
05:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:33 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Require that attendees show vaccine card + ID, but do not make any record of individual details.
05:33 <@Dolemite> But there's a difference between leaning libertarian and the nut jobs that have been running as actual libertarians the past couple of decades
05:47 < aestetix> Dolemite: not to the conference itself
05:47 < aestetix> But maybe showing ID to a trained HIPAA professional or something who is independent
05:48 <@Dolemite> You don't need a trained HIPAA professional
05:48  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
05:48 < aestetix> but like let's say this was for phreaknic
05:49 < aestetix> If someone working the booth at phreaknic asked me to show ID, I would tell him to go fuck himself
05:50 <@Dolemite> If I were running it and we were trying to open during a pandemic, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself out of the hotel
05:50 < aestetix> yeah sure
05:50 <@Mirage_> During a pandemic it should be completely reasonable to require people attending a conference to show proof of vaccination.
05:51 < aestetix> My question is, is there a middle ground
05:51 <@Dolemite> The middle ground is not recording their information
05:51 <@Mirage_> They can throw their own sub-con out in the parking lot?
05:51 <@Dolemite> Which requires that 100% of attendees comply
05:52 <@Mirage_> Here's a crazy house for sale:  https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5125-Mystic-Trl-Dallas-TX-75241/26776730_zpid/
05:52 < PigBot> 5125 Mystic Trl, Dallas, TX 75241 | MLS #14648472 | Zillow (at www.zillow.com) https://tinyurl.com/yedrfqe5
05:52 <@Dolemite> Yikes
05:52 <@Dolemite> Not even Prince liked that much purple
05:53 <@Dolemite> oh, wow, it gets...    different
05:53 <@Dolemite> Did Ham used to live in this house?
05:53 <@Dolemite> I just found the stripper pole
05:54 <@Dolemite> Definitely a shitload of space
05:55 < aestetix> The problem with the not recording data is that if there is an outbreak, you need to be able to trace it
05:55 < aestetix> And if there is not, you can delete the data
05:56 <@Mirage_> aestetix: again, resaonable during a pandemic
05:56 < aestetix> Which part is reasonable?
05:56 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Nobody is contact tracing at this point
05:56 <@Mirage_> The other alternative is, don't have it or don't go to it
05:56 < aestetix> Dolemite: maybe in the US
05:57 < aestetix> Dolemite: you guys actually got decent acess to the vaccine
05:57 <@Dolemite> Even for cruise ships, since the population is 100% vaccinated
05:57 < aestetix> (and still many idiots turned it down)
05:57 < aestetix> Mirage_: yeah...
05:57 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Well we're talking about a 100% vaccinated population in your hypothetical
05:57 < aestetix> Basically it sounds like there is no good way to do this
06:16 <@Mirage_> Frightening interview on Colbert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJc0u1i3j1c&ab_channel=TheLateShowwithStephenColbert
06:17 < PigBot> The Big Lie Is "Not Some Passing Storm, It's The Climate In The Republican Party" - Robert Costa - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/ydn9porp
06:36 <@Mirage_> Watching a playlist of the top #1 hits from 1956-current based on weeks on the chart.  Apparently I stopped listening to top 40 music in the late 90's, early 2000's because I only recognize maybe 20% of the songs listed with dates 2005+
06:40 <@Dolemite> Mirage_: How big of a player in Wheel of Time was Mat Cauthon?   Because Amazon has already had to recast that role between Season 1 and Season 2.
06:43 <@Mirage_> One of the main characters.  Matt, Perrin, Rand
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07:57 <@Dolemite> Well that was certainly an interesting conclusion to Nine Perfect Strangers
08:33 < frsilent> Matt doesn't get too developed in the first couple of books iirc -- I think it's 4 or 5 when he gets his spear from the world in the mirror
08:34 < frsilent> so he might play a smaller part in the amazon special since I believe they're focusing more on book 1 & more from Moiraine's pov
09:01 <@Dolemite> How many more times is What If...? going to bring out the beeper to call Captain Marvel?
12:51 <@Dolemite> Ok, one episode in and Star Wars: Visions is definitely some bad ass mother fuckery
13:36 <@Dolemite> Ok, I need one of you younger folks that isn't opposed to the vaccine to come work with me at ORNL doing DevOps and SAML work.   The very talented guy that has been working with me refuses to get vaccinated and was denied his exception today, so he'll be gone soon.   UGH.
13:39 <@Dolemite> That also pretty much clears up how we're handling the religious exemption requests
13:42 < Evilpig> from my work chat today.  we have three people that are very anti-vaccine.  'Wait until they find out that the “vaccinated” carry a high viral load when infected w covid. Oh wait they won’t care because we’re in a clown world'
13:42 < Evilpig> I have to bite my tongue to refrain from shit like "yeah an infected person has a viral load.  if you get the vaccine you're less likely to get infected chucklefuck"
13:43 < Evilpig> this was all brought about on a discussion that red hat is doing smaller one day red hat summits this year and one will be here in nashville 
13:43 < Evilpig> https://www.redhat.com/en/summit/connect/nashville
13:43 < PigBot> Red Hat Summit: Connect | Nashville (at www.redhat.com) 
14:35 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: How long before those people are out of jobs?
15:04 < Evilpig> they won't
15:05 < Evilpig> they'll either cave and get their shots to be compliant or they'll get exemptions like they did for the flu
15:06 < Evilpig> I've gotten my first notice for the year that i'm due for the useless flu shot and i'll put that shit off again til the very last day
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> I went ahead and got mine, just for troubleshooting reasons. I realize that they have a good track record of incorrectly guessing which strains will dominate, but I want to be able to rule specific shit out just in case.
15:27 < Evilpig> hopefully mRNA helps us get to a universal flu vaccine
15:37 <@opticron> that'd be nice
18:46 <@Mirage_> wheel of time
18:46 <@Mirage_> oops
19:12 < Evilpig> Dagmar: it is 100% pointless to try to convince my aunt of anything.  she is firmly in facebook is covering up the truth land
19:13 < Evilpig> she was also recently diagnosed with COPD and swears her doctor told her NOT to wear a mask in public
19:13 < Evilpig> as you know from years around NotLarry, that's 100% fuckin' retarded and no doctor would tell a COPD patient that
19:15 < Evilpig> and the garbage she posted https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1424806413474336769?s=04
19:15 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) https://tinyurl.com/yz4r2oat
19:32 <@Mirage_> Talked to my aunt on the phone a bit regarding a family gathering we're having in Oct at her house (basically off calendar early Thanksgiving).   My cousin Jamie and her husband for whatever reason aren't getting themselves or their eligible kids vaccinated and won't even talk to my aunt about it.  Says she just shuts her down if she brings it up.
19:33 <@Mirage_> So, I guess they won't be coming over for the gathering as my grandparents set forth the rule that they aren't going to be around anyone who isn't vaccinated.
19:54 < Evilpig> that's a perfectly reasonable request.  I don't get these people
19:57 <@Mirage_> In other news, today has proven to me that it is pretty much impossible to get into a Doctor's office or a walk-in clinic for anything normal right now.  Been fighting nasty allergies and we had a cold front roll through yesterday that pushed me over the edge.  Completely unable to get in anywhere because they're all booked up or choked with COVID ppl.
20:51 < Evilpig> yup
20:52 < Evilpig> I may have to wade into those waters myself.  the dog pulled my ass over a couple weeks ago and my arm has been hurting ever since.  I'm beginning to question if I didn't possibly tear the muscle when I hit the ground.
20:53 < Evilpig> told ash if it isn't alot better by friday i'll make an appointment and have it checked out.  it's waking me up at night and if I move the wrong direction it feels like a knife slicing through my bicep
20:58 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn2VSD1u9vA
20:58 < PigBot> "A Secret National Security Crisis" - Woodward & Costa On The Hair-Trigger World Post-Election - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yj5qyyl9
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21:18 <@Mirage_> I really wanna see Trump very publicly lose a huge defamation case over the book.  I'm sure most of his supporters would just claim it was fake news, etc...but it might knock him down a peg or two.
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