--- Log opened Thu Aug 26 00:00:13 2021
05:12 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
05:40 < aestetix> well the nightmare week is almost over
05:40 <@Dolemite> oh?
05:40 <@Dolemite> what has made it a nightmare?
05:40 < aestetix> when a new customer with 10x traffic meets a specific api endpoint that is 4 years of duct-taped spaghetti code, the whole house of cards falls down
05:42 < aestetix> It was one of those chaos weeks when about 5 years of random technical debt all joins together to ruin your life
05:42 < aestetix> Dolemite: maybe you have experienced something like this
05:43 <@Dolemite> Yeah, the redness will eventually go away, but you gotta stop playing with your pecker for at least a few days for that to happen...     OH, YOU MEAN THE TECHNICAL DEBT THING?
05:44 < aestetix> It reminds me of a situation from a while back, where a service magically stopped working
05:44 <@Dolemite> yeah, I kind of walk that tightrope all the time - inheriting technical debt when someone leaves and being expected to maintain it with zero documentation and just praying that if something happens a restore from backup *might* heklp
05:45 <@Dolemite> s/heklp/help
05:45 < aestetix> Looked into the code, and it turned out a dev had made production code dependent on a demo of third party code hosted on some random heroku instance
05:45 < aestetix> And the third party code wasn't maintained, and whoever ran it shut off the heroku instance
05:46 < aestetix> That was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen
05:46 <@Dolemite> We maintain our own Entrust CA on-site for email encryption...   it's on a RHEL6 box, but we can't migrate it ourselves.   Entrust wants about $80K and 2 months to do that work, but DOE is looking at trying to get rid of individual site-based CAs...  but they won't make their damn mind up.
05:46 <@Dolemite> So here I am, constantly having to enter in 90 day exceptions to the allowed OS database...
05:46 <@Dolemite> with no real solution in site
05:47 < aestetix> The dev was too lazy to just git clone the code and set up a local whatever to handle the thing. So he made our production system reliant on some random heroku gist thing.
05:47 <@Dolemite> Oh, and the Remote Admin java app is so old that it won't recognize new CAs and we have no instructions on how to add new root trusts to it
05:48 <@Dolemite> dafuq?   Production dependent on a gist!?!%#%@
05:48 < aestetix> Yep
05:49 <@Dolemite> Well I guess that's about like our webdevs, including all kinds of shit in composer.json that they have no clue about and then it breaks and blames the CI/CD pipeline.
05:57 < aestetix> but yeah.... the worst is when some code breaks
05:57 < aestetix> And you look at it, it was last modified 6 years ago with a bunch of "fix this later" comments
05:58 <@Dolemite> well it's another leftpad situation.   One day that gist could go offline and break your build.   Regularly my webdev's dependencies disappear, get renamed, or break because they were too lazy to pin to a specific version - which then breaks the build.
05:58 <@Dolemite> But it's never THEIR fault.
06:01 < aestetix> Dolemite: ever run caddy in production?
06:01 <@Dolemite> not that I'm aware of
06:02 < aestetix> That project is fucking horrible. They don't offer version numbers, and the only supported way of installation is via curl
06:02 < aestetix> So the only way to maintain consistent versions is to have the binary saved already
06:04 < aestetix> The only reason to use it is to get something up and running quickly.
06:14 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8P12BXebo
06:15 < PigBot> Dying in the Name of Vaccine Freedom | NYT Opinion - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yenpzzdj
06:30 <@Dolemite> LOL, https://boingboing.net/2021/08/25/jail-rewarding-inmates-with-free-ramen-if-they-get-vaccinated.html
06:30 < PigBot> Jail rewarding inmates with free ramen if they get vaccinated | Boing Boing (at boingboing.net) https://tinyurl.com/yzhdozx8
06:30 <@Dolemite> They should try this on college campuses, too
06:40 < aestetix> I don't get why you have to give an incentive to get vaccinated
06:40 < aestetix> The incentive is that you are less likely to suffer from COVID
06:40 <@Dolemite> yeah, well, people just seem to be too stupid to put a value on their own health
06:41 <@Dolemite> They'd rather get something tangible
06:41 <@Dolemite> something in the now
07:04 <@Dolemite> The frustrating thing is that people are being driven away from the publicly funded schools in protest of the policies being put in place by legislators who are against the public schools to begin with, as they are the loudest mouthpieces for "school choice".
07:05 <@Dolemite> My wife and I were just discussing this as I was making another mug of coffee
07:06 <@Dolemite> The idiots in charge want to take away public funding from schools and give it to private ones - which in TN are 99.9% religious based - so in effect they are sabotaging the situation.   These foxes shouldn't be guarding the hen house.
07:10 < aestetix> wait
07:11 < aestetix> isn't the point of a private school that it does not use public funding?
07:11 <@Dolemite> Yeah, well, that's where they talk about school vouchers
07:11 <@Dolemite> Your "share" of the public funding can be redirected
07:11 <@Dolemite> Because, you know, you paid for it with your taxes
07:12 < aestetix> But the taxes are paying for schools in general, not just your school
07:12 <@Dolemite> It's a very skewed concept given that you can't redirect your share of taxes to not fund wars if you object to them, or to subsidies for companies that pollute
07:13 < aestetix> yeah, if you could choose not to fund wars, the US would have been out of the middle years a lot sooner
07:13 <@Dolemite> But just do a little searching on the "School Choice" movement and you'll see all kinds of blurring of the lines between Church and State
07:13 < aestetix> I have no issue with someone choosing a private school. But I would expect them to pay for that choice themselves
07:14 < aestetix> plus, if a private school takes public funding, doesn't that give the state a bit of control over it?
07:14 <@Mirage_> ^+++
07:20 <@Mirage_> I noticed something kind of interesting the other day when I was out shopping.  First went to Sprouts to get baby cucumbers, then to Kroger for jalapenos.  At Sprouts you could count the number of ppl w/o a mask on one hand and at Kroger it was the exact opposite.
07:21 <@Mirage_> If you aren't familiar with Sprouts it's similar to Whole Foods, but on a smaller scale.
07:30 <@_NSAKEY> I saw a similar dynamic with Kroger and Publix last winter. Now it's more even, with gradually more people wearing masks. Walmart is just a white trash shit show, but then again, it always was.
07:34 <@Dolemite> Funny how retailers become a descriptor on their own
07:34 <@Dolemite> In one of the cruising communities I'm in, we commonly state that "Carnival is to Wal-Mart as Royal Caribbean is to Target"
07:35 <@Dolemite> And there are people who much prefer Wal-Mart to Target, and vice versa.   I don't fault them for their choice.   I just don't want my Target becoming a Wal-Mart.
07:35 < Evilpig> Mirage_: I've noticed similar.  however my kroger is probably 50/50 depending on the time of day
07:36 < Evilpig> early in the morning the crowd is older and almost all masked
07:36 < Evilpig> later in the afternoon when the demographics trend down, less masks
07:36 <@_NSAKEY> 30 minutes before closing is also not a bad time to go, for the most part.
07:57 <@Dagmar> That's pretty much what I'm down to over here
09:30 <@Dagmar> I kinda need to make some hostile shirts to wear when I go
09:31 <@Dagmar> ...because the number of plague rats at Krogers is getting ridiculous
09:31 <@Dagmar> There's just no way people should be running around in public without masks with the infection rate being as high as it is
09:34 <@Dagmar> On a tangent... have ya'll ever looked at TN's obscenity laws?
09:35 <@Dagmar> TikTok could technically be declared obscene some days
09:36 <@Dagmar> They've now tied most of it to the weasel-words "prurient interest" but then they have explcitly defined _that_ as this:
09:36 <@Dagmar> "Prurient interest means a shameful or morbid interest in sex;"
09:37 <@Dagmar> ...which basically green-lights shirts that say "FUCK YOU"
09:37 <@Dagmar> See also https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2010/title-39/chapter-17/part-9/39-17-901/
09:37 < PigBot> 39-17-901 - Part definitions. :: 2010 Tennessee Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia (at law.justia.com) 
11:07 <@Dagmar> It seems Gildan t-shirts are pretty cheap from Amazon
11:07 <@Dagmar> They're apparentlyt like $5.47 apiece from Amazon
12:49 <@Dolemite> Drupal dev is worried about DNS TTL on a site we just migrated...   had to point out that it's a moot point since his site keeps returning a 503 error
12:50 <@Dolemite> I swear I'm going to eventually break my desk with all of the head smacks I do against it
13:07 < Evilpig> lol
13:19 <@Dolemite> woot, ORNL requiring all staff to be vaccinated by October 15 as condition of employment
13:19 <@Dolemite> Although staff that WFH are exempted
13:19 < Evilpig> what?  you aren't  gonna go picket the parking lot?
13:20 <@Dolemite> I kind of like Delta's approach - skip the vaccine, pay $200/month more for your insurance and you have to use your own sick days for quarantine
13:20 < Evilpig> I definitely wasn't upset by that
13:20 <@Mirage_> Dolemite: yeah.  Wife thought that was going too far, for some odd reason.
13:21 <@Dolemite> Well look at it more as a $200/month discount for being vaccinated
13:28 < aestetix> Dolemite: did you ever find our why your friend didn't get vaccinated?
13:28 <@Dolemite> No, I'm waiting on him to recover before giving him shit
13:28 <@Dolemite> Well, giving him shit to his face
13:29 < aestetix> oh ok makes sense
13:29 <@Dolemite> But once I hear that he has recovered, 28 days later I'll start harassing him on Facebook
13:29 <@Dolemite> Because I think that's the earliest after having Covid that you can get the vaccine
13:31 <@Mirage_> If we was against getting vaccinated before, he'll probably use the "I already had it, why do I need it?" defense.
13:31 <@Dolemite> I don't know what the hell his deal was because he'd flame anti-vaxxers on Facebook
13:32 <@Dolemite> Guess it's like the loudest protestors of gays are usually closet queens
13:38 < Evilpig> https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/valneva-and-pfizer-announce-initiation-phase-2-study-lyme
13:38 < PigBot> Valneva and Pfizer Announce Initiation of Phase 2 Study for Lyme Disease Vaccine Candidate | Pfizer (at www.pfizer.com) https://tinyurl.com/ydplnvtk
13:47 <@Dolemite> Imagine if all these so-called conservatives got as upset about deaths in a School Zone as they are about today's deaths in a War Zone.
13:50 <@Mirage_> Personally I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone who was over there a) didn't get some sort of notification prior to the start of the evacuation and b) didn't see the taliban using the opportunity of the withdrawal to re-assert themselves.
13:55 <@Dolemite> The group of students from San Diego is what boggles me
13:55 <@Dolemite> "Oh, gosh, we're here visiting family in the middle of a war and during a time when the US military is planning to leave."
13:55 <@Mirage_> Maybe after this and people remember other cluster fucks like Vietnam and decide that we don't need to be everyone else's police force.
13:56 <@Mirage_> Dolemite: yeah, that one really makes no sense.
13:57 <@Dolemite> Yeah, you can't have it both ways...   "We need to stop nation building / Why can't we secure our exit from Afghanistan?"
13:57 <@Dolemite> Well, it's because there IS no effective government in Afghanistan...
13:57 <@Dolemite> dumbasses
15:11 <@Mirage_> Speaking of dumbasses...the India team has escalated to the customer for the contact/owner of a vRealize Network Insight appliance running in our management stack.  
16:08 <@Mirage_> Oh, and it gets better.  The reason they were reaching out was because monitoring kicked off an alert for /var at 90% utilization.   Per documentation for vRNI, Log Insight will utilize ~89% of available storage before triggering log rotation.  So, working as intended.
16:13 <@Mirage_> I just love how articulate and mature Trump lovers on FB generally are (I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but I never see them).   1st post: "Nice job Jihad Joe Biden!!!! You piece of shit."   Then an hr later: "Hope you dumb shit democrats are happy. Go fuck yourselves. You’re not Americans to me."
16:14 <@Mirage_> Also an anti-vaxxer
16:15 <@Mirage_> The only reason I didn't unfriend him is because most of his posts are fishing/hunting/farm related vs consiracy and general hate mongering
16:32 < Evilpig> Mirage_: I think those types share a common playbook somewhere because I have one of those too "Well, now Taliban Joe has dead Marines on his hands, this will get way worse and many more will die soon because of his incompetence and dementia 😡 I bet you Trump haters are happy now 😡"
19:07 < xtort-> gee, that's almost verbatim what someone just posted on a group chat, and not ironically :(
19:25 <@Mirage_> The politicians, and esp Republicans, have done a wonderful job of instilling fear in entirely too many people in the US since 9/11.  It's just sad that so many people have been fed so much bullshit over the years that they now believe crackpot conspiracy theories that play on those fears over the truth, even when it's staring them straight in the face.
19:27 <@Mirage_> Politicians have always done it, nazi's, communists, socialists, marxists, etc to mention a few. 
19:29 <@Mirage_> But I think that with the vacuum of the soviet union falling and the cold war ending that they were looking for something that could be used to really polarize the population.  Iraq was good for a bit, but they really found what they wanted with 9/11
21:17 <@Mirage_> "‘We will hunt you down and make you pay’: Biden vows retribution for deadly attack on U.S. forces in Kabul"
21:17 <@Mirage_> ^ Isn't that how all this mess got started?
22:31 <@Mirage_> And now, once again, a published study that directly contradicts a previous one.   No wonder there's so much confusion.  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties
22:31 < PigBot> Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but no infection parties, please | Science | AAAS (at www.sciencemag.org) https://tinyurl.com/yztm9k8o
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