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09:04 < Mirage_> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/15/afghanistan-will-be-seen-as-joe-bidens-defeat-and-it-may-come-back-to-haunt-him
09:04 < PigBot> Afghanistan will be seen as Joe Biden’s defeat. And it may come back to haunt him | Simon Tisdall | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com) https://tinyurl.com/yfhxuvv6
09:08 < Mirage_> yeah...  As long as all the mess has been going on there and the fact that the Soviets finally gave up, no one with any sense is going to blame him for anything.   If the people in that country want things to change they are going to have to stand up for themselves instead of having other countries doing it for them.
09:09 < Mirage_> That opinion applies to all the middle eastern countries, honestly, because they've been infighting for the last 2000+ years
10:28 < Evilpig> read an op-ed piece on that the other morning essentially blaming trump for striking a bad deal with the taliban and the second it was done they violated the agreement and he never pushed back leading to their rapid assault and take over of all the cities they now control
10:29 < Evilpig> probably just more new guy blaming the old guy and the only thing keeping that area stable was us that we pulled out
10:54 < aestetix> maybe blame the guy who got the US into the middle east in the first place
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15:11 < Mirage_> aestetix: George Bush?
15:49 <@_NSAKEY> A good culprit, but you have to go back further than that.
15:53 < Mirage_> Further than Bush in the late 80's, early 90's?
15:54 <@_NSAKEY> I'd argue that you'd have to go back to the WWII era, at least so far as US involvement goes.
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