--- Log opened Sun Jun 20 00:00:58 2021 04:03 <@jb7od> Oh man- I went and looked and there's the best quote on here: https://forumweb.hosting/16313-certbot-vs-dehydrated.html 04:04 <@jb7od> "And it's not because you are not using root than you can't fail and make your website down.: 04:04 <@PigBot> Certbot vs Dehydrated? (at forumweb.hosting) https://tinyurl.com/yepgxqxb 04:12 <@jb7od> And that's cool- I need to do a device-based self-signed one for this vpn, it'll let you make extras, which would be easier to reissue if it seemed like it needed redoing. Less steps anyway. 04:14 <@jb7od> Just glad it's done tbh. 06:28 <@jb7od> I wonder if you guys can cut your cloak off and on. I guess there's no reason to want to DCC anything, but it's.. a civil liberty lol 07:56 <@Dagmar> You can DCC with a cloak 11:27 <@Dagmar> Seriously, a cloak doesn't impact DCC at all 11:29 <@Dagmar> Your client tells the other client where to connect to. There are also typically no sanity checks. 11:29 <@Dagmar> So... if someone rigs an IED that triggers when a connection comes in on 54321/tcp, they can basically make anyone on IRC connect to it and blow it up 11:30 <@Dagmar> That's why it's DCC SEND|CHAT (ipv4 as long integer here!) (portnum) [(filesize)] 11:36 <@aestetix> like startkeylogger 0 0 0 12:10 <@Dagmar> Yes, but with less spontaneously exploding crap routers 15:25 <@jb7od> I forgot about that- can you still do that to routers? 15:25 <@jb7od> the zero thing or the long char thing? 15:28 <@jb7od> Dagmar, I thought a cloak was just a made up line like the host hiding you used to be able to do in the old ircd.confs, except was "servicized" 15:29 <@Dagmar> Only routers with a shitty GPL-violation kernel 15:29 <@jb7od> that did bust dcc 15:29 <@Dagmar> The bug was definitely an _old_ bug in the linux iptables code 15:29 <@Dagmar> Nah a cloak just hides your IP from people doing /whois 15:30 <@Dagmar> Basically, no one's IRC client even _checks_ to see if what's showing matches what's in the DCC command 15:31 <@jb7od> There's a kind of one that opers can do where you can have @any.crazy.wtf.thing 15:32 <@Dagmar> Yeah they can set it to whatever because they control the server 15:35 <@jb7od> I ran a Beware and a bot that served dual purposes relayed in EFNet mp3 piracy XDCC days, with the shoutcast. We had some friends in Germany and LA (oddly) who served DJ sets through it at the "biggest" it ever got (36), but that's before we knew each other... on computer. lol 15:36 <@jb7od> The secret stash was on Hotline- and I have every bit of that Win and Mac, on disc- for when the revolution comes... 15:41 <@jb7od> But that's the only reason I know about that. 15:42 <@jb7od> LOL ought to set up an fserv and host HL client and server and all the other lostware I've collected. 15:43 <@jb7od> earn my stripes flooding out #freenode... 15:43 <@jb7od> sike. 16:26 < xtort-> i stuck with freenode until yesterday. they banned a buddy, guk, because his name is racist 16:27 < xtort-> that's part of his last name... 16:27 < xtort-> used the nick for 20+ years 16:27 < xtort-> so, we left 16:27 < xtort-> fuck prince twatwad 16:30 <@Evilpig> were they trying to say that was a play on gook? 16:37 < xtort-> they didn't say, but that's all i can think of 16:41 <@jb7od> Oh wow- that's absolutely fucking hysterical- it's gotten so over-trolled there's going to be a purge on all the ACox even when that's ppls real ass handle? 16:43 <@jb7od> I had to bounce after the read-back was all libtard and tranny bashed out; I broke... becayse, like, Freenode was work-safe. Real actual help from actual devs if you had the manners and sense to ask nicely for help... Professional, ya know? Even you fuckers. 16:44 <@Dagmar> They explicitly said "guk" was racist? 16:44 <@Dagmar> What morons 16:44 <@jb7od> But that was gross- like, I couldn't defend that if my boss was over my shoulder and said "what in the hell are you even looking at?" 16:45 <@Dagmar> Whatcha wan' bet Lee will claim it's the admins who quit who are doing all the trolling and "destroyed his network" 16:45 <@Dagmar> He' 16:46 <@jb7od> Yo, that's just.. it's either a fake excuse and personal, that sounds too batty to have been scrolling through the g's and "WHOOP! Look!" 16:46 <@Dagmar> He's never going to be willing to admin those opers were why the trolls stayed in check. 16:46 <@jb7od> OH they already are 16:46 <@Dagmar> s/admin/admit/ 16:46 <@Dagmar> Where are they making these claims? 16:47 <@jb7od> like, during the trolling, part of that trolling is propaganda about libtard spam from libera, which is a trash network that runs left-wing BIG FOSS software, and is run by transexuals (as a pejorative) 16:47 <@jb7od> #freenode two days ago 16:48 <@jb7od> "admins were away" was what was said, but whenever anybody would try and argue back, they'd play with +m 16:49 <@jb7od> if you don't know it's oper, you don't need to be playing around with it I don't think. 16:53 <@jb7od> I just couldn't defend it, it seriously was like the cyber bully guys my sons age- 16:53 <@jb7od> cumon yall, I use this shit for work... :l 16:58 <@Dagmar> Holy geez https://mniip.com/freenode.txt 16:58 < xtort-> yeah! i use this to fuck off at work! 16:58 <@PigBot> None (at mniip.com) https://tinyurl.com/yhhtkepz 16:59 <@jb7od> OMG Unrelated but related "To create new wiki account, please join us on #znc at Libera.Chat and ask admins to create a wiki account for you. You can say thanks to spambots for this inconvenience." - https://wiki.znc.in/HexChat 16:59 <@PigBot> HexChat - ZNC (at wiki.znc.in) https://tinyurl.com/y8npnlw3 17:00 < xtort-> the guy uses the nick 'root' ffs 17:00 <@jb7od> oinorite? 17:00 < xtort-> oh, neat: Worth noting that this is not the first IRC network that Andrew Lee 17:00 < xtort-> has bought[11]. 17:00 < xtort-> did not know that 17:01 <@jb7od> How is that anything to buy? I mean.. smmfh. 17:02 <@jb7od> Everybody would have respected this guy so much more if he made LeeNET and made it about whatever the fuck he wanted to do with the shit- 17:02 <@jb7od> like, it's creepy to "buy" a userbase 17:02 <@jb7od> just make a cool network then, damn. 17:02 < xtort-> buying friends 17:03 <@jb7od> basically? that's even weirder. 17:03 < xtort-> yay, toss some money at a few data centers for a few servers, install ircd, wipe hands on pants 17:03 < xtort-> *yeah 17:03 <@Dagmar> Well, ther'es LOTS more than just that post, but basically Lee hired some questionable people with questionable motives for questionable reasons 17:04 <@Dagmar> THe more I dig the more I find this outcome to be not even a little bit surprising 17:04 <@Dagmar> His actions are what has wrecked Freenode 17:05 <@jb7od> It blew a pipe somewhere in the septic system, that's for sure. 17:06 <@jb7od> Why doesn't he go take on the scary networks? 17:06 <@jb7od> the ones with legions of bots and like two people. 17:07 <@jb7od> we'd at least be intimidated 17:13 <@jb7od> I think christel got blackmailed, just based on how all this has happened. I bet they got pix or something and just.. I don't see how it's gone down like this. I don't know the broad, but she's one of two freenode opers that ever helped when I needed it and was perfectly sane and cordial, but a normal oper.. like, strictly business. 17:17 <@jb7od> Whatever that is is what needs to be legally persued that they aren't supposedly due to cost, but that's a cop out. No gofundme on that? For real? 17:21 <@jb7od> I don't want ircds to become nationalist. Global discourse is important. 17:50 < xtort-> i don't like discourse. everyone should just shut up. 17:53 <@jb7od> There's been some good ones- we had a friend in chile who had to eat an 8th of weed b/c he was heading into a military checkpoint, and Brazil has 3 police forces you have to worry about (or did). There's a half hour shared sunlight between bangalore and nashville- there's more. It can be worth it to get people going 17:57 <@Dagmar> Blackmail is a legally actionable thing. 17:57 <@Dagmar> I hope she gets someone nailed for that 17:58 <@Dagmar> He's pulled a "G4" for sure 18:00 <@jb7od> They've got to have some dirt- I don't see why she went awol, I thought the whole Hackaday thing was slanderously uncited- or at least I wanted to hear that it was, but then when you go periscope down? 18:01 <@jb7od> He got to hit it or something... 18:12 <@jb7od> Even I knew she didn't have the authority to just pen it on over. I wonder if it was just that she was on the whois or something lame like that. That's about their speed of hack, trick migration. 18:17 < xtort-> you're talking like this is a mystery movie... its nerds on irc fighting for king nerd 18:18 <@jb7od> I'm messed up about it. I feel like dudes went and yelled in the library so loud they had to close it. 18:22 <@jb7od> It was a totally egalitarian international organization. Stateless, international, yet chill- and an environment where you could get answers. I don't sweat people for code or anything anymore, but EFNet was not conducive to self-improvement. And that whole self-mastery thing, I take real serious internally. 18:30 <@jb7od> I actually do take #se2600 seriously in a work way. I don't ask as much, but Corydon helped me with some Java and Perl at different times, some of you guys are people I for real know and are "in the field" locally, although there's differnt ppl, it still "is" the same thing. 18:31 <@jb7od> (and nobody on fb can type) 18:32 <@Dagmar> I will eventually check back in. JUst too much work right now 18:32 <@Dagmar> wrong chan 18:32 <@jb7od> busy is good lol. 18:34 <@Dagmar> YEah as soon as I learn to manage my workload properly again 18:36 <@Dagmar> I'm not so sure about the blackmail thing 18:37 <@Dagmar> I think she jsut screwed up and didn't realize Rule #1 is GET IT IN WRITING 18:37 <@jb7od> Perhaps... I think he wined and dined her and she thought the shit was gonna be great and blew up 18:38 <@jb7od> NAh, I don't know, I just think it's weird she hasn't defended herself- either way- for doing it, or what shit it is to do, or just anything- 18:39 <@jb7od> As an oper, you know she's flame-proof. 18:40 <@jb7od> That's what makes me think it was somehting personal, or otherwise not really wanted to be dug up. 18:44 <@Dagmar> I think it might be embarassment over not gettign what tehy all assumed would be the case (that Lee wouldn't be making executive decisions unilaterally) in writing 18:45 <@Dagmar> Apaprently this isn't the first IRC network he's purchased into obscurity 19:23 <@Dagmar> Umeaboy: Just look at the final generated .config for the kernel that it's getting built with 19:58 <@jb7od> Yea, that got said- but what a creepy way to go about it. He should've just made LeeNET and make that be awesome or whatever instead of trying to buy a base. 20:04 <@jb7od> If he came out just on his own, even with some weird ircd that was all bleeding edge for his 3.0 implementation (which I think I heard contain greater "security" features like I guess teaching chanserv to scrape channels. 20:04 <@jb7od> s/s./s)./g 20:06 <@jb7od> He could still have that rah-rah he's getting from that crowd who seriously is like "freenode IS irc!" who've washed up from wherever. 20:08 <@jb7od> I don't even know anyone who's ever gotten in an embroglio with a freenode oper (other ircds, sure). 20:19 <@jb7od> T 1624044102 dude is a fucking cancer 20:19 <@jb7od> T 1624044107 "Hate" speech? Isn't that nonsense why the mass migration to libera? 20:19 <@jb7od> T 1624044116 i'm sure libera will let him diddle kids 20:19 <@jb7od> T 1624044124 Because y'all weren't sjw enough? 20:19 <@jb7od> T 1624044126 cumidillo: they'll join in probably 20:19 <@jb7od> T 1624044133 heh probably 20:25 <@Dagmar> Who are those nitwits talking about? 20:26 < xtort-> my mom :( 20:26 <@Dagmar> Considering one of their nicks, I don't think those guys really get to take the high ground on much of anything 20:38 <@Dagmar> Go on, tell us about your secret knowledge that fire is hot 20:38 <@Dagmar> @#$@$ 21:08 <@jb7od> Kine momente- I'm gonna serve that page, just as-is. It's got some really spicy shit in it. It took awhile to grind me down, bit ultimately I was like- nop3- no excustable laughing any of this off.. 21:16 <@jb7od> http://mfphmusic.com/00/%23freenode.log 21:16 <@PigBot> None (at mfphmusic.com) https://tinyurl.com/ydj6fumj 21:19 <@jb7od> http://mfphmusic.com/00/#freenode.log [test] 21:19 <@PigBot> Index of /00 (at mfphmusic.com) https://tinyurl.com/yf36hsov 21:19 <@jb7od> Well, that's fine. --- Log closed Mon Jun 21 00:00:00 2021