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05:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:31  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
05:48 < aestetix> https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-57086480
05:48 < PigBot> The cost of calling out a 'rape joke' - BBC News (at www.bbc.com)
05:48 < aestetix> not sure why the BBC considers this a story
05:49 < aestetix> seems a teacher made a bad joke, and feminazis are all pissed off about it
05:50 <@Dolemite> Is now a good time to point out how racist it is to have English subtitles for the sections where she was speaking English?
05:50 < aestetix> hahahaha
05:50 <@Dolemite> Just because she has a strong Malaysian accent
05:53 < aestetix> with stories like this, I often wonder why they are speaking in english, in a country that doesn't
05:53 <@Dolemite> English is widely spoken in Malaysia
05:54 <@Dolemite> I had no problems traveling in Kuala Lumpur
05:54 < aestetix> yeah, but if you're a local in a school, would they be speaking english there?
05:54 <@Dolemite> Yes
05:54 < aestetix> locals speak english with each other?
05:54 <@Dolemite> English is the language of business.
05:54 <@Dolemite> The middle class and higher, yes
05:55 < aestetix> Interesting. That's not the case in Germany
05:55 < aestetix> English is spoken here when there is someone present who doesn't speak german
05:55 < aestetix> otherwise, it's all german
05:56 <@Dolemite> Singapore and Malaysia are quite similar, althoug it's much more the case in Singapore to have Western Envy.   At least in the early 2000s the general saying was that "Singaporeans are obsessed with shopping until they are American"
05:56 < aestetix> hmm. is western envy why this schoolgirl went sjw?
05:56 < aestetix> I mean, I'm not saying the joke was appropriate or funny, but good god the reaction
05:56 <@Dolemite> I don't agree that she's being SJW
05:57 <@Dolemite> Based on the story she has a legitimate beef.   Her teacher did still kind of blow off the idea of raping an adult being ok.
05:58 < aestetix> so maybe the issue is that companies like the BBC are trying to make a profit via the outrage economy by turning her grievance into something big
05:58 <@Dolemite> And then her principal chirped in calling her satan's child for reporting the issue, then claimed her FB account was hacked.
06:00 < aestetix> Could be that I've been jaded by way too many actual SJWs making issues when there weren't any. *shrugs*
06:00 <@Dolemite> I'm trying to remember what the big issue was when I was over there...   I think it was basically a cleric claiming that if a woman went out in public without a full burqa then she deserved to be raped.
06:01 <@Dolemite> And that there was no malice on behalf of the man because it was the woman's fault for tempting him
06:01 <@Dolemite> So culturally speaking, it's a pretty fucking big deal for a girl/woman to speak out against it
06:02 <@Dolemite> And I can see how being immersed in Germany - quite possibly the origin of the "safe word" concept - you wouldn't see that
06:03 < aestetix> Sure, makes sense. Meanwhile, I'm immune because I've seen so many situations where a SJW sees a word they don't like in a conference bio or talk description, proceeds to screenshot it and post it on twitter, rallying a cry to all her SJW friends to boycott the conference unless they ban that speaker
06:03 <@Dolemite> yeah, that's just an attention whore
06:04 < aestetix> I can think of two solid examples of that immediately
06:04 < aestetix> three
06:04 < aestetix> four
06:05 < aestetix> (one of the examples happened to HOPE, that was not fun to deal with)
06:05 < aestetix> the others, I will not name
06:06 <@Dolemite> But yes, imagine if you will, a world in which not all SJW battle cries are justified, but not all calls of mysoginy are made up, either.
06:07 < aestetix> also worth noting, Austria (not germany, but still) is home to Baron von Masoch, from where we get the word "masochism"
06:08 < aestetix> and there is in fact a rotating ad for a sex shop a block from my place. with a dildo in the ad
06:08 <@Dolemite> And your neighboring France is where the Marquis de Sade lived, who came up with the philosophy of sadism
06:08 < aestetix> right out in public
06:08 < aestetix> And I don't just happen to live in a seedy area where all the sex shops are
06:11 <@Dolemite> But having dealt first hand with a lot of folks from these repressive cultures, I can tell you that there's a reason why places like Singapore's Four Floors of Whores existed.   The sales wonks from India, especially, were all about trying to get their dick wet whenever they had a conference there.
06:11 < aestetix> yeah, I've never been to india or asia
06:11 < aestetix> unless you count russia as asia, but I was in moscow, which is debatably europe
06:12 <@Dolemite> Southern Asia is the overly repressive.   Japan is all about penis temples and festivals.
06:12 <@Dolemite> China just sees sex work as another job
06:13 <@Dolemite> I never made it to the Middle East, but it seems the closer you are to there, the more repressive it is.
06:13 <@Dolemite> Recent wars seem to back that up
06:14 <@Dolemite> ie Taliban, ISIS, etc and their cultural controls
06:14 < aestetix> well
06:14 < aestetix> what I can say is that there is a massive cultural difference in turkish neighborhoods here
06:14 <@Dolemite> In India it's much less repressive down South, where most of the people are Hindu.
06:15 < aestetix> back when I was able to move around freely, I saw a lot of hijabs. only a few burkas
06:15 < aestetix> the burkas were wierd to see in public
06:16 <@Dolemite> Mumbai/Bombay was different.   I was talking to a guy who was in the same hotel I was staying at (it was on the beach) and he said that his wife could only leave the room when he was with her.
06:16 <@Dolemite> And her beach activity consisted of walking along it while wearing a full burqa
06:17 < aestetix> Funny how American "feminists" never complain about that
06:18 <@Dolemite> I remember the glint of arousal in his eye when he talked about how scandalous it was for a woman to wear a salwar...   which sometimes has short sleeves and shows ankles
06:26 <@Dolemite> Also in several countries, you can't drink alcohol, either, unless you are a member of a private club.   Hotels would consider their guests to be members, but basically it meant you could only drink in that hotel.
06:26 <@Dolemite> Part of India were like that
06:27 <@Dolemite> Tiger Beer was the local swill and often times all you could get
06:28 <@Dolemite> If I recall correctly, it was the inverse of the mysoginy overlay.  Southern India was more strict on alcohol and Northern India was less.
06:29 < aestetix> Iran is like that IIRC
06:29 < aestetix> no alcohol
06:53 <@Dolemite> Man, this Bill Gates story just keeps going off the rails
06:54 <@Dolemite> https://gizmodo.com/how-many-times-did-bill-gates-meet-with-jeffrey-epstein-1846907608
06:54 < PigBot> How Many Times Did Bill Gates Meet with Jeffrey Epstein? (at gizmodo.com) https://tinyurl.com/ygudo799
07:01 <@Dagmar> The Daily Beast is not a reliable source.
07:33 < aestetix> yeah I stopped caring about the daily beast when they doxxed someone
07:33 < aestetix> kevin poulsen, no less
07:34 < aestetix> let me reprase
07:35 < aestetix> kevin poulsen, acting as a "journalist", doxxed someone who was previously a private citizen
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09:35 <@Dagmar> Their attention to veracity is maybe a few millimeters higher than The National Enquirer
09:35 <@Dagmar> ...and there's the whole RMS character assassination thing
10:04 < aestetix> Dagmar: yep
10:04 < aestetix> I lost a lot of respect for MIT/etc over that
10:08 < aestetix> then again, the new american left has filled out the aristocracy and ivy leagues, and the rest of us are all watching it fall apart
11:27 <@Dolemite> It's ridiculous how many Linux TOTP server apps are just outright broken
11:28 <@Dolemite> I don't understand why the contrib/slapd-modules/passwd/totp isn't already a standard part of distributions
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11:54 <@Dagmar> I think I'm about to the point where I'm ready to suggest that a large part of "cancel culture" is a PR firm somewhere seeding reporters with "suggested articles" and checking their effect on public opinion
11:54 <@Dagmar> ...just to keep an eye on how useful a passle of idiots they are.
11:54 <@Dagmar> Anyone remember a scene where Amalia True fell out of her top while fighting?
11:54 <@Dagmar> I remember her dropping completely out of her dress after using it like a drogue chute
11:55 <@Dagmar> ...and after last night's episode, well, even the idea that she might be having trouble with Victorian fashion doesn't seem anything more than reasonable.
11:56 <@Dagmar> ...and yet here we are, having a Kotaku reporter taking a crack at Wheedon about Amalia apparently popping a boob during a fight.
11:56 <@Dagmar> I don't remember that
11:57 <@Dagmar> If that legit did not happen in the show, maybe we need to hassle some editors at Kotaku to reign in their idiots a bit
11:58 <@Dagmar> Pretty much the entire article was trashing The Nevers based on the fact that the reporter thinks Wheedon is evil, and I and the wife think the show is _great_
11:59 <@Dagmar> If Wheedon menaces his actresses to get them to perform, maybe he could moderate that a bit, but it's definitely working
11:59 <@Dagmar> That's also so not a new thing it doesn't even rate
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13:39 <@Dolemite> I remember the wardrobe malfunction from the first episode
14:55 <@Dagmar> You saw this week's episode, right?
14:55 <@Dagmar> I don't want to spoiler
15:40 <@Evilpig> I'll be watching here in a bit
15:48 < xtort-[df-org]> I love watching fights where a boob pops out
15:50 < xtort-[df-org]> I'm classy
16:16 <@Mirage> Evilpig: holy shit, I finally figured out the right combination of flags for ffmpeg to handle hevc p101e (main10) properly w/ cuda vs having to use hwoffload for software scaling
16:17 <@Mirage> Now I just need to get the proper logic figured out for my reencode script to generate that on it's own.
16:34 <@Dagmar> Sheesh
16:34 <@Dagmar> I just got a letter in the mail about another large stimulus check coming
16:35 <@Mirage> Oh, last night I discovered an annoying bug/feature on the MikroTik switch when in SwitchOS...it doesn't detect hot-plugged SFP's, you have to perform a reload on the switch or reboot it for it to actually start using a freshly plugged in module.
16:36 <@Dagmar> I thought that was fairly par for SFPs
16:36 <@Mirage> Dagmar: on my cisco I can plug/unplug SFP modules all day long and it just happily starts using them
16:36 <@Mirage> Problem is the Cisco only supports 1Gbe, not 10Gbe
16:37 <@Mirage> Ditto on the Ubiquity switches I have.
16:41 <@Mirage> Honestly I think it's a bug in their SwOS 2.13 release for this 8-port because the 4-port that's still on 2.12 hotplugs just fine.
16:49 <@eryc> Mirage: curious why you use switchos instead of routeros?
16:59 < jb7od> That tears it- I'm going to start emailing in all OCR A
16:59 <@eryc> what is OCR A
16:59 <@eryc> and is it fried
17:00 < jb7od> it's an ms font that looks like the print on the barcodes at the bottom of checks.
17:00 < jb7od> like system, but worse
17:02 < jb7od> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCR-A
17:02 < PigBot> OCR-A - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) https://tinyurl.com/yeertl2y
17:02 < jb7od> 1968..
17:02 < jb7od> ⑄
17:03 < jb7od> (that dollarsign is hot tho)
17:10 <@Mirage> eryc: because i'm using it as a switch, not a router.  With RouterOS I could only get administer it by tunneling ro it via something that is dual-homed on the 10Gbe network, whereas w/ SwOS I can get to it on the Mgmt interface from the normal network
17:11 <@Mirage> eryc: I was pondering going back to RouterOS last night before I figured out that a switch reload via the console made the SFP I'
17:11 <@Mirage> d plugged in actually be recognized
17:14 <@Dagmar> jb7od: Those don't use OCR-A
17:14 <@Dagmar> The numbers are quite different
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17:17 <@eryc> Mirage: that doesn't make any sense
17:18 <@eryc> mgmt interface should be available wherever it's connected
17:19 <@eryc> you're doing something wrong
17:25 <@Mirage> eryc: in router OS I wan't gonna tell it "use this one SFP slot for uplink so that I can't use it", I told it to use the 1G ethernet port (which is Mgmt under SwOS).  Being somewhat sane, you had to connect to it on an INTERNAL interface for management, not the EXTERNAL.  If you're using a "router" that has the mgmt interface exposed on the public/external connection then something is definitely wrong IMO
17:26 <@Mirage> I'm sure that ifg I'd poked at it more I could have made it do what I wanted, but as I bought it as a switch and not as a router, naturally flipping to SwOS made complete sense.
17:27 <@eryc> i would have bought something that just runs linux
17:27 <@eryc> why would 10gbi be a mgmt interface ever
17:27 <@eryc> when there is a 1gbit port
17:28 <@eryc> thats just poor design if that's the case, which i dont think it is
17:28 <@eryc> you should email support since you can't figure it out
17:28 <@Mirage> https://mikrotik.com/product/crs309_1g_8s_in
17:28 < PigBot> MikroTik Routers and Wireless - Products: CRS309-1G-8S+IN (at mikrotik.com) https://tinyurl.com/y6c64jz8
17:29 <@Mirage> I did figure it out...I figured out that on this one it doesn't automatically active an SFP when it's plugged in and that you have to connect a console cable to it and do the reload OR reboot the thing for it to see the new SFP.
17:30 <@Mirage> If the prices on a Cisco or Ubiquity supporting 10Gbe were more reasonable I'd have gone with one of those.
17:37 < jb7od> Dagmar: I did say "looks like"
17:39 < jb7od> The numeral 1 has some attributes in common, but that at the bottom of the check is very much an OCR line. even though theres a few fonts now, we be doin some OCR scanning.
17:41 < jb7od> (not just to play japanese mmos either, although not saying OCR has not been used in that practical applicaiton)
17:49 <@Dagmar> The name of the font used for the routing on checks is called 'E13B'
17:49 <@Dagmar> OCR-A and OCR-B are used for other stuff entirely
17:50 <@Dagmar> E13B is as funky looking as it is because it was actually designed to _not_ be used with optical character recognition
17:50 <@Dagmar> It was designed to be used with slightly magnetic inks, becuase hide-bound middle management wanted the damn things to be scanned like magtap
17:51 <@Dagmar> er magtape
17:53 < jb7od> We just went to magnetic ink this year. I haven't seen one of the new checks yet (they're supposed to be fancy and color coded and all this)
17:55 < jb7od> ...I actually got a new book recently
18:01 < jb7od> These are MICR, my last book wasn't but I got those like a thousand years ago. I had all the hair in the world back then. It takes me a very long time to run through a book for paper checks- 10 years easy)
18:02 <@Evilpig> looking over my ledger, my checks goto the housekeeper and occasionally the state for whatever
18:04 < jb7od> I guess I hadn't ever paid attention to the aesthetic differences between OCR and MICR. I did like those old people who call a desktop a "hard drive" and recognized them as all being OCRs (which is still what they're doing, in its verb form)
18:10 <@Mirage> jb7od: so far as I know, to meet standards all checks have had a MICR printed account and routing number so that banks can run them through scanners.
18:11  * jb7od cops copy of E13B... (we shouldn't need it since they're pre-printed, but you never know)
18:12 < jb7od> Mirage: confirmed. ^__^
18:19 <@eryc> i can confirm MICR, we had MICR readers when I worked as a cashier at Target
18:19 <@eryc> i didn't know how they worked but now that you say it magnetic definitely makes sense
18:20 <@eryc> i'm not sure if you can write a check anywhere now
18:20 <@eryc> i think they're only good for signing up for bank transfers now
18:25 < jb7od> will a micr scanner even read OCR or is it altogether different?
18:26 <@Mirage> OCR uses a camera the print, MICR uses a magnetic head to read the print
18:27 <@Mirage> well, technically not a "camera" per se, but some soft of optical scanner versus a magnetic reader
18:27 < jb7od> actually, I take that back- I think the answer is depends on the scanner. There's ones that can do both, but brand new at the store? I have no idea and it may have standardized by now
18:31 <@eryc> i haven't seen a micr reader in at least a decade
18:32 <@eryc> too much fraud
18:32 < jb7od> Was it as bad as it was made out to be or worse than we ever knew?
18:33 <@eryc> check fraud was a big thing for several years
18:33 < jb7od> For a while, that was news- "buy a metal wallet!"
18:33 <@eryc> then came credit fraud and debit skimmers
18:34 < jb7od> it didn't seem like anything changed, it just rotated out of cycle.
18:34 <@eryc> which both come with less "hand written evidence"
18:34 <@eryc> pretty much
18:35 <@eryc> while people were easily "recording" new cassette tapes caleld credit cards that primary deterrant was "write SEE ID on the signature"
18:35 <@eryc> which has no effect on manufactured fraud
18:36 <@eryc> so then came the advent of fraud detection and agressive card declined
18:36 < jb7od> I live with somebody with the misfortune of having ever jabbed a card in tampered with fuel pump. That was a wreck for a little while, but it was handled quickly. I've had to pull away from a few I just didn't like the looks of, that's for sure.
18:37 <@eryc> now we have chips that if they can't read once you swipe the same bullshit as always
18:37 <@eryc> nothing has really changed significantly
18:37 <@eryc> cashiers will get mad at me if i try to use the chip twice
18:38 <@eryc> and not really give a shit when it works the 2nd time
18:38 < jb7od> Right on. I mean, so there's still a cat in the van at the gas station loading up a scanner I guess...
18:38 < jb7od> clerks are pushy about that
18:38 < jb7od> I've never gotten that one myself-
18:39 < jb7od> I don't guess i've even ever acknowleged it before this moment, but yes, they sure as hell are. "No, swipe, buddy!"
18:40 <@eryc> i was berating this kid in another channel about his dumb idea to move to indonesia with his expected 60k in shopify drop shipping and i almost told him he'd be better off comitting fraud than that foolish plan
18:41 <@eryc> unsurprisingly he was not very happy with my opinions
18:41 < jb7od> What does piss me off is when a clerk uses a failed chip attempt to reach for my card to help me out, like on the operator end of the Ingenico- that will.. ugh..
18:42 < jb7od> Damn- wha? Indonesia?
18:44 < jb7od> I don't think I'd get very far in indonesia. I'd stick out in all the worst ways I think.
18:58 <@eryc> idk hopeless souls.. he wants to travel across the world to marry some muslim to adhere to his faith
18:58 <@eryc> i was mostly just explaining how drop shipping businesses actually survive
19:05 <@Mirage> Too bad this wasn't the prosecutor for my cousin's BS case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKnqgKcx2Qg
19:06 < PigBot> Prosecutor Disbarred: Misconduct Sent Two Men to Prison - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yjorpy66
19:08 <@Mirage> Similar, but different.  This guy didn't disclose evidence that proved the guys innocent, whereas on my cousin's they managed to get pretty much everything from the defense declared inadmissible
19:09 <@Mirage> I'm sure that he was up for re-election and was wanting a recent murder conviction to help his rating similar to the prosecutor for my cousin
19:21 < jb7od> eryc: Wow. Speaking of soul, I don't know of anybody who's ever left the US for somewhere else, and Islam on top of that. I mean, many blessings upon him and all that, just I don't know anybody. I'm haivng a hard time seeing the appeal.
19:39 <@Dagmar> Okay, so... disregarding that it's in Norwiegan or something... this 'Beforeigners' on HBOMAX is pretty funny.
19:39 <@Dagmar> Mind you it's not supposed to be funny, but the results of ancient Vikings coming to modern-day Oslo with a hand-wavy explanation...  Mayhem and hilarity
19:40 <@Dagmar> I'm actually still trying to figure out if it's supposed to be funny
19:40 <@Dagmar> Like, "normal guy" has a neighbor (who is an ancient viking) and his small son up at his apartment, the kid is watching TV
19:41 <@Dagmar> The TV is showing a very violent and gory viking battle
19:41 <@Dagmar> Mr. Normal says "I don't know if he should be watching that"
19:41 <@Dagmar> Viking dad replies "Who doesn't like stabbings and naked women?"
19:42 <@Dagmar> I can't really see a flaw in the argument
19:45 <@eryc> jb7od: this kid's not from the US, dunno where tho
19:59 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: definitely enjoyed this week's the nevers
20:16 <@Mirage> Old but interesting.  Kinda of crazy where all the different samples came from.  Would have never guessed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYLp5uX9Yw
20:16 < PigBot> Making of "The Prodigy - Voodoo People" in Ableton by Jim Pavloff - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/lcm5nym
20:17 <@Mirage> I watched the first couple episodes of The Nevers, but just didn't really get into.  I've been told that I need to give it another chance.
20:31 <@Mirage> Of course I was never really a fan of the chick in it from Outlander either.
20:57 < jb7od> eryc: foreign guys included, I've got some intl. internet friends who I think might find such a thing even more repellant than we do. I'd at least try and make the best of it. lol
22:25 <@Dagmar> Mirage: No idea who you're talking about WRT Outlander, but it (eventually) has Aeryn Sun in it.
22:26 <@Dagmar> ...and then suddenly a _lot_ of things make more sense.
23:04 <@Mirage> Claudia Black you a say?  hrm..
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