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05:51 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:59  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
05:59 < aestetix_> still no vaccine invitation
05:59 <@Dolemite> I invite you to fly to the US and get a vaccine
05:59 <@Dolemite> There, done.
06:00 <@Dolemite> When's the last time you flew home to see your family?
06:14 < aestetix_> over four years ago
06:14 < aestetix_> before the 2016 election
06:14 <@Dolemite> Go see your family.   Get vaccinated.
06:14 < aestetix_> not sure I want to visit the US right now
06:54 < xtort-[df-org]> I got my first shot last week, yay.  Its open to everyone => 18 here
06:56 < xtort-[df-org]> That was done in prep to see my family in june- my dad is of poor health and I'd prefer to not bring him the covids and kill him
06:57 < aestetix_> xtort-[df-org]: nice!
07:22 <@Dolemite> I get my second shot this Wednesday morning
07:24 < xtort-[df-org]> did you have any side effects from the first one?
07:24 <@eryc> aestetix_: if its any consolation someone is in the hospital in critical condition after getting covid weeks after getting the vaccine i got
07:34 < aestetix_> that sucks
07:35 < aestetix_> what vaccine did you get
07:35 < xtort-[df-org]> i got moderna
07:48 <@Evilpig> I was reading about the various strains this morning.  we're now seeing multiple mutation varieties meaning the vaccines we have now are possibly going to be completely ineffective if keep spreading this crap
07:48 < xtort-[df-org]> so far they look like they will cover the different strains, according to what i've read
07:49 <@Dolemite> I had no side effects from shot #1 of Moderna
07:49 < xtort-[df-org]> the protein spike is what the rna causes your body to make and detect, so maybe that part has not mutated?
07:49 < xtort-[df-org]> i just had a sore arm for 2 days, no biggie
07:49 < xtort-[df-org]> but that's kinda odd, since you could barely feel the shot itself
07:50 <@Dolemite> Both Moderna and Pfizer are effective against the B.1.1.7 variant, which is now the dominant strain in the US
07:50 <@Dolemite> However, they are still not 100% effective.
07:50 <@Dolemite> So anecdotal cases of someone getting sick despite having been vaccinated simply validate the math
08:14 <@opticron> I keep seeing mixed news about efficacy against the B.1.135 variant
08:15 <@brimstone> "simply"
08:16 <@opticron> *351
08:45 <@Dagmar> Just count on these fuckwits running around like plague rats for long enough to create a variant that causes death in 10% or more of cases
08:45 <@Dagmar> These deaths will continue until people listen to the doctors
08:46 <@Dolemite> I'm closely following the debate on cruise ships requiring vaccines to get on...    and chugging the salty tears of those getting pissed off because they refuse to get vaccinated to board a ship
08:46 <@Dolemite> At this point going on a cruise will be safer than going to the grocery store
08:46 <@Dolemite> SIGN.  ME.  UP.
08:50 < xtort-[df-org]> mexican all inclusives are where its at
08:51 <@Dolemite> I'll pass.
08:54 < xtort-[df-org]> you don't know what you are missing... its heaven for fat alcoholics like me
08:55 < xtort-[df-org]> gotta go to the kid-free ones though, nothing like people's crotch droppings running around screaming to ensure maximum relaxment
08:59 <@Dolemite> Cruise ships have adults only sections and most folks end up putting their rug rats in the kids club
09:00 <@Dolemite> I will be making my teens get out of the room for a minimum number of hours per day.   My son would rather stay in the cabin and seeing just how much latency the ship's wifi has to Blizzard.
09:01 <@Dolemite> My daughter will be happy to go up and down the water slides all freakin' day long.   She's turned into our adrenaline junkie.
09:41 < aestetix_> Dolemite: how old is she now?
09:41 <@Dolemite> 12 next month
09:42 < aestetix_> I saw that study that uh.... lets say parents have a harder time dealing with teenage girls than teenage boys
09:43 < jb7od> (that's a fact. Mine's 18 next month)
09:44 < xtort-[df-org]> i've read the same
09:45 < xtort-[df-org]> my 12 year old girl is probably going to start proving that soon
09:45 <@Evilpig>  18 you say?  /quagmire
09:46 < xtort-[df-org]> haha
09:50 <@Dolemite> giggity
09:55 < aestetix_> jb7od: was the teenage girl drama you dealt with nature, or did it trigger with the introduction of teenage boys?
09:58 < jb7od> aestetix_: I'd have to say it's a fair mix of both, but leaning one way or the other over time. Right now I'd say she's more natural grievances but the same couldn't be said for last year (definite boy drama)
10:00 < jb7od> I actually hate it for her- I'd be pissed as hell if I had to spend my senior year on house arrest.
10:05 < xtort-[df-org]> mine is in love with the non-binary 12 year old who is leading her on, keeps saying they will dump their girlfriend for her, but hasn't
10:05 < xtort-[df-org]> the drama is strooong
10:06 < xtort-[df-org]> already
10:07 < xtort-[df-org]> i had to explain preferred pronouns to my wife, first she'd heard of it
10:10 <@Mirage> How have I never seen this before?!?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKgRecPi1I
10:10 < PigBot> Deadpool The Musical - Beauty and the Beast "Gaston" Parody - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/mxtect5
10:21 <@Evilpig> non-binary 12 year old...  fuckin' 12yr old doesn't know shit yet.
10:23 <@Dolemite> I will tell you that both of my kids went through a stage where they were gender fluid - it mainly seemed to be a reaction to the hormones and body changes and the idea that it was easier for the other gender.   However, wanting to be gender neutral or trans doesn't stop that process and at this point I have two kids who see themselves as the gender that matches their biological sex.
10:23 < aestetix_> Dolemite: sounds about right. It's normal for kids to be all confused during puberty
10:23 <@Dolemite> The main thing was to give them space to figure it out on their own.   If you are judgey then you are more likely to have them dig in simply because at that age, anything that pisses your parents off is golden.
10:23 < aestetix_> It's not normal for those same kids to take all sorts of drugs with unknown effects
10:24 < aestetix_> Unlike drugs that have known effects, like pot :p
10:24 < xray> I don't like musicals but I  must say the Deadpool one was very funny.
10:24 <@Dolemite> Yeah, there were definitely no drugs involved nor would there have been
10:24 <@Dolemite> But if you want to try on some clothes, go for it
10:24 <@Mirage> xray: the first one yeah, the second one had some good bits, but was so-so
10:25 < aestetix_> Well I mean, if a teenager takes up smoking pot, it's not the end of the world
10:25 < aestetix_> As long as it doesn't impact other stuff
10:25 <@Dolemite> Well in my house it would be since it would jeopardize my job working for the US Government
10:25 < aestetix_> oh ok then
10:25 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: with biden in office that won't be changing either
10:25 <@Dolemite> But my general stance is that it should be decriminalized
10:26 < aestetix_> I still think its ridiculous that in california, it is now legal to knowingly infect someone with HIV, but it's illegal to misgender someone
10:26 <@Dolemite> aestetix_: dafuq
10:26 < aestetix_> yep
10:26 < aestetix_> happened a few years ago, IIRC
10:26 <@eryc> my pronouns are king/your highness/exalted one
10:27 < aestetix_> my pronouns are the 7 words you can't say on tv
10:27 <@Dolemite> eryc your pronouns are fuck you/fuck you/fuck you.   Get it straight.
10:27 < aestetix_> Which for the record, are shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker and tits
10:27 <@eryc> i'm pressing charges
10:28 <@eryc> we're going all the way to scotus
10:28 < aestetix_> I have heard that set so many times it's embarassing
10:28 <@Dolemite> Good luck with that.   You can go all the way to scrotum for all I care, fuck you.   :)
10:28 <@eryc> lol
10:29 < xtort-[df-org]> <Dolemite "The main thing was to give them "> Exactly
10:29 < xtort-[df-org]> Kid says she is lesbian.  OK honey, that's nice.
10:29 < xtort-[df-org]> nothing makes anything less cool than your parents being OK with it
10:30 < xtort-[df-org]> not that i give a shit either way, i'd prefer she'd be a lesbian for birth control reasons
10:30 <@Evilpig> i'm fine with whomever they want to mash their genitals with but the point at which they tell me they're a girl but have a cock, i'm not into make believe
10:30 < aestetix_> xtort-[df-org]: oh good point
10:30 < aestetix_> so if parents are all ok with the trans crap, then maybe it will die away
10:32 < xtort-[df-org]> i feel there are probably people out there whose body/hormones/gender/whatever is in internal disagreement.  but its a disservice to those people for it to be the cool thing now.
10:32 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: What about Ash's strap on?   Peg the Pig and all?
10:32 < xtort-[df-org]> haha
10:33 <@Dolemite> Time to head upstairs to make some leftover Honeybaked Ham Sammiches
10:34 <@Evilpig> there is none of that going on around here.
10:35 <@Dolemite> We'd bought a ham back at Christmas/New Year's and it was a bit dry...   wife called them up, thinking maybe they'd give us a coupon for savings on our next one...   instead they said we could swing by and pick up a whole new ham, so we waited until after their peak season of Easter and got it this past week.   They didn't even bother to match the size, as this fucker was much bigger.   $90 ham.  That's
10:35 <@Dolemite> some excellent customer service.
10:35 <@Evilpig> nice
10:36 <@Dolemite> So Ash may not be balls deep in ham right now, but I sure am.  LOL
10:46 < xtort-[df-org]> we have a honeybaked ham store here, and that makes me happy
10:47 < xtort-[df-org]> i wonder how many they sell outside holidays
10:47 < xtort-[df-org]> like... do people just go there on a random tuesday to get a ham?
10:48 < xtort-[df-org]> fack, i might have to, now that they are on my mind
10:51 < aestetix_> peg the pig? is Evilpig into that?
10:52 <@eryc> i thought they sold ham sammies too
10:52 < jb7od> xtort-[df-org], I think more than we might think, I have this weird ass uncle and that's his go-to gift choice. Graduated? Honeybaked! Birthday? Honeybaked! Nobody ever got pissed about it, and seeing one off-season is a surprise
10:53 < aestetix_> Evilpig: don't let corydon know
11:01 <@Evilpig> jb7od: that sounds like a great gift.  I bet if I gave one of my nephews a ham they'd be really confused and that brings me joy
11:02 <@Dolemite> xtort-[df-org]: During the off season they do a lot of sandwich sales.   They don't just sell whole hams.
11:02 <@Evilpig> damn.  no store within 180 miles of my brother's house
11:05 < jb7od> Evilpig, He got a lot of wins with it actually, especially being the same thing over and over, which normally gets criticized, but it just got funnier.
11:06 <@eryc> oh cool we have one near here
11:06 <@eryc> next door to some axe throwing place apparently
11:08 <@Evilpig> I struck out at christmas this year when I sent them each 5lbs of red vines.  apparently neither of them like licorice 
11:08 <@Dolemite> 5 lb bags of Sour Patch Kids.  Available on Amazon
11:10 <@Dagmar> How the fuck does att.net not have SPF records
11:12 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I wanted to send sugar free gummy bears but ash wouldn't let me
11:12 <@Evilpig> I figured that would be hilarious
11:15 <@Dolemite> Based on the Amazon review of them giving someone the shits?   LOL
11:16 <@Evilpig> yup
11:16 <@Dolemite> Yep, sounds like Evilpig
11:18 <@Dagmar> You can't eat large quantities of sugar-free candy or that's going to happen
11:21 <@Dolemite> I'm pretty sure you can't eat large quantities of sugar-full candy without that happening, too
11:21 <@Dagmar> Nope
11:22 <@Dagmar> Consideirng the volumes of sugar I've eaten on the amateur diabeetus circuit, it would probably take a shitton (no pun intended)
11:22 <@Dagmar> Remember, I used to eat mulitple giant pixy sticks in one night, and two of them is literally a half-cup of sugar
11:22 <@Dolemite> And chase it with 5-6 Monster drinks.  lol
11:23 <@Evilpig> from what I understand the sugar substitute they use turns into a type of alchohol in your system that gives you the shits if you have too much
11:23 <@Dolemite> yeah
11:23 <@Dagmar> Nope.  I do not like the taste of Monster drinks.
11:24 <@Dagmar> At that point in time it was usually the 32oz or larger Gatorades
11:24 <@Dolemite> What were the energy drinks you kept chugging in the NOC?
11:25 <@Dagmar> Full Throttle.
11:25 <@Dolemite> Ah, that's right
11:25 <@Dagmar> Mainly they're just grapefruit-flavored coke with a crapload of caffiene
11:25 <@Dagmar> They're not tryign to pretend to be a vitamin cocktail or any such nonsense
11:26 <@Evilpig> so you were drinking notlarry's fresca + caffeine
11:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah, at least until I transitiojned over to just plain adding 600Mb of anhydrous caffiene to a quart of Tang or Half & Half Tea & Lemonade
11:26 <@Dagmar> Same "density", less bullshit with the supply chain
11:27 <@Dolemite> I rarely have caffeine outside of my morning coffees nowadays
11:27 <@Dagmar> It's like $20 to get a goddamn GIANT bottle of 200Mb caffiene capsules]
11:30 <@Evilpig> I drink tea all day but that's it
11:31 <@eryc> i used to drink a pot of coffee and/or take caffeine pills in high school because i'm not a morning person
11:31 <@eryc> that hasn't changed at all but no one is grading my performance anymore
11:32 <@eryc> er, being a morning person. nowadays i have only 1 strong cup per day
11:32 <@eryc> if i am productive for 1-2 hours a day thats 16 hours of normal people time
11:44 <@Evilpig> Mirage: were you able to convert one of your centos machines to rhel without issue?
11:57 <@Dolemite> ROFL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2AzJkEY8Pg
11:57 < PigBot>  (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/ygegcrpu
12:08 <@Mirage> Evilpig: haven't tried.
12:13 <@Evilpig> I think i'm about to try it on one of mine
12:13 <@Evilpig> I just got all the latest updates.  making a snapshot of the vm now just in case
12:13 <@Evilpig> looks straight forward.  https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841
12:13 < PigBot> How to convert from CentOS Linux or Oracle Linux to RHEL - Red Hat Customer Portal (at access.redhat.com)
12:27 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Did you snag that new series, "The Nevers"?
12:28 <@Dolemite> Watching the pilot episode now.   Seems fun.
12:37 <@Evilpig> yes
12:37 <@Evilpig> was reading the reviews this morning and everything was bagging on it but it might be still alot of #metoo sentiments
12:38 <@Evilpig> the one that sticks out right now was "buffy in victorian garb"
12:38 <@Dagmar> I need the article on "How to convert from CentOS Linux to the one that's still free."
12:38 <@Dolemite> Steampunk Buffy
12:39 <@Evilpig> I did start debris the other night, and kinda digging it
12:39 <@Dolemite> Yeah, Debris has been good
12:39 <@Dagmar> Actually, I'm not even worrying about it since I'm now dabbling into Devuan a bit
12:39 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I wouldn't bother but I just finished converting two of my systems over to centos8 and they were kind of a pain to get the vpn stuff right, etc
12:40 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm still miffed that the metadata about the nature of each patch is something RHEL considers to be "special sauce"
12:40 <@Dagmar> So, under CentOS not a damn thing that would otherwise trigger on "security relevant" updates actually works
12:44 <@eryc> > Instead of continuing the Debian practice of using Toy Story character names as release codenames, Devuan aliases its releases using planet names. The first stable release shared the Debian 8 codename Jessie. However, the Devuan release was named for minor planet 10464.
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12:45 <@Mirage> Evilpig: to CentOS or from CentOS?
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12:45 <@eryc> dammit now i have to paste it again
12:46 <@eryc> j/k
12:46 <@Mirage> Damn, I was gonna interrupt it again on purpose this time
12:47 <@Evilpig> Mirage: from centos8 to rhel8
12:48 <@Mirage> Yeah, I have too much customized and/or compiled stuff on my main server to even ponder an in place migration...esp since it's a physical host
12:49 <@Mirage> I keep pondering going virtual, but I just can't bring myself to it.
12:49 <@Mirage> Though, since I upgraded the hardware, my FreeNAS (now TrueNAS) box has been very stable
12:50 <@Mirage> Still not sure I trust it though
12:52 <@Mirage> Since I'm gonna be moving to RHEL I ordered new hardware..and just in case I decide to go virtual later on I got exactly the same setup as the ESXi hosts I already have so that I could P2V off physical and then slap ESXi on the box and add it to the cluster.
12:53 <@Evilpig> like Dolemite, i'm moved nearly everything over to proxmox
12:54 <@Mirage> Dunno if I mentioned, but since I use my lab here for work dev stuff the manager on one of the projects got me Enterprise licenses for vCenter and ESXi
12:54 <@Evilpig> nice
12:57 <@Mirage> Right now my NAS is Ryzen 5 3600x, 32G ram, 500G nvme for the system, 9 3T drives for storage w/ a 1T SSD for ZFS cache and a 128G SSD for ZFS log
12:58 <@Mirage> I got a deal on a stack of Seagate Enterprise 3T drives that I couldn't pass up
12:58 <@Evilpig> that's definitely speedier than what i've got for the nas.  but my nas is also just for long term media storage and not VM usage
12:59 <@Mirage> Before I had it on an old AMD 8150 w/ 16G ram and 6 1T drives that were mix/match stuff off my shelf.
12:59 <@Evilpig> If I was building this system out now, i'd likely do zfs.  it's way more stable now then when I first deployed this
13:00 <@Mirage> A couple weeks ago I added a dedicated 10G between the ESXi hosts and the NAS.
13:01 <@Mirage> Speaking of which.   I'm actually pretty damn impressed so far with the MicoTik 4 port SFP+ 10G switch/router/bridge
13:02 <@Mirage> oops, MikroTik.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07LFKGP1L/
13:02 < PigBot> Amazon.com: MikroTik 5-Port Desktop Switch, 1 Gigabit Ethernet Port, 4 SFP+ 10Gbps Ports (CRS305-1G-4S+IN): Computers & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) https://tinyurl.com/yede6fth
13:03 <@Mirage> Connected with https://www.amazon.com/10G-SFP-DAC-Cable-SFP-H10GB-CU2M/dp/B00U8BL09Q/
13:03 < PigBot> Amazon.com: SFP+ DAC Twinax Cable, Passive, Compatible with Cisco SFP-H10GB-CU2M, Ubiquiti and More, 2 Meter(6.5ft): Electronics (at www.amazon.com) https://tinyurl.com/yk2dypfw
13:04 <@Mirage> Way cheaper than buying SFP modules and then fiber or going with copper SFP's which are priced crazy
13:44 < xtort-[df-org]> Mikrotik stuff is underrated
13:45 < xtort-[df-org]> I have an AP from them that does more than jesus's own unifi setup
22:04 <@Evilpig> hrmm.  this conversion from centos to rhel seems like it's going okay.  guess I'll see in the morning
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