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06:05 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:17  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:48 < aestetix> why the fuck would anyone use heroku to host a production system
07:49 < aestetix> dealing with an outage that happened because a dev decided to make a production system dependent on a heroku demo app running third party software, a demo app run by someone else
07:50 < aestetix> then the someone else decided to take the heroku app offline, and sure enough, the production system went down
07:50 < aestetix> it's enough of a problem relying on third party services at all. but a third party demo system in heroku? ugh
07:57 <@eryc> kek
07:58 <@eryc> Dolemite: rancher is pretty cool until something breaks
07:58 <@eryc> Evilpig: try MetalLB, its awesome
07:58 <@eryc> then expose your dns so the vips automatically get dns entries
07:59 <@eryc> you forward a subdomain to the metallb vip for cluster dns
08:19 <@Dolemite> eryc: Rancher is great, even when something breaks, because I have a service contract.   Their service folks are spot on.
08:19 <@Dolemite> I looked at MetalLB, it's not quite what we needed
08:20 <@Dolemite> The way our homegrown DNS registration system works and the way we have to setup the Netscalers it just worked fine with nginx-ingress
08:35 < aestetix> ok finally handled the disaster
08:36 < aestetix> so many things wrong with it
08:57 <@Mirage> https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/zurawik/bs-ed-zontv-0228-cpac-trump-speaks-20210301-jsksidwiovckpjz2yak6yingpi-story.html
08:57 < PigBot> Trump at CPAC: Former president keeps the big lie going and going and going | COMMENTARY - Baltimore Sun (at www.baltimoresun.com)
08:58 <@Dagmar> We'll see how well that lie continues to hold up as Diebold savages some of his idiot friends for a billion with a 'b' dollars.
09:00 <@Mirage> Yeah...so if this keeps up the Democrats are gonna wind up controlling most everything because the Republican party will be split.
09:00 <@Dagmar> s/split/destroyed/
09:01 < aestetix> Mirage: it's time for a new party
09:01 < aestetix> both the democrats and republicans suck
09:01 <@Dagmar> It's time for some new politicians.
09:01 <@Dagmar> There are damn few right now I'd trust with anything
09:01 < aestetix> yes, that too
09:02 <@Mirage> I still say abolish political parties and call it good.  let people stand on their own or actually represent the voters that elected them
09:02 <@Dagmar> There should be no "or" there
09:02 <@Dagmar> Representing their voters is literally their exact job
09:03 <@Dagmar> It's time to get rid of the ones who think they were elected to run things.
09:03 <@Mirage> Dagmar: currently they could choose to represent vs follow the party..so i think the "or" fits
09:03 <@Dagmar> Again, there should be no "or".
09:03 <@Dagmar> Their _job_--the thing they were elected to do--is to represent the will of the American people in their district.
09:04 <@Mirage> while you're correct with how it should be, i'm addressing how it actually is
09:04 <@Dagmar> Following "party" over that should probably be considered treason.
09:04 <@Dagmar> Arguing "Well, it's broken so I guess that's what we're doing now" is stupid
09:05 <@Mirage> so, question for those with kids:  is there such thing as a "Civics" class in school anymore?
09:05 <@Dagmar> I suspect there isn't.
09:05 <@Evilpig> not really.
09:05 <@Mirage> I'm gonna guess no
09:06 <@Evilpig> Seeing what sabrina has for that they very briefly touched on how our government works 
09:06 <@Evilpig> civics is pretty much just a unit in their history curriculum 
09:07 <@Dagmar> I had a number of people express *surprise* when the subject of the Texas mayor came up.  They didn't seem to understand that one of the jobs of government *is* to bend rules to protect it's citizens when an emergency occurs
09:07 <@Dagmar> Like, how the hell do people not know this anymore?
09:08 <@Dagmar> I strongly suspect it's tied to teh way the Civil War is now being taught
09:08 <@Mirage> conformity vs free thinking
09:08 <@Dagmar> If you oversimplify that, you don't have any good way to discuss the roles of Federal vs State, or even the role of government at all
09:09 <@Dagmar> FOlks wind up being taught that just, "Federal" trumps "State" and that's that, and everyone has to do the bidding of the group "over" them
09:09 <@Evilpig> there's alot of nonsense being peddled.  I had a chat with the kid this weekend about her transgender classmate
09:09 <@Dagmar> ...despite that that is completely not how this country was set up
10:03 < aestetix> Evilpig: transgender classmate?
10:03 < aestetix> how old?
10:03 < aestetix> or is this a beehive I don't want to hit
10:08 <@Dagmar> Sweet crap the idiot is back
10:08 < aestetix> Dagmar: you mean me?
10:08 <@Dagmar> Some kid has decided the way to make his "whatver" scanner optimized is to try and open 1,000 files at once, in a single thread
10:08 < aestetix> oh
10:09 <@Dagmar> He was complaining about non-blocking IO not working on plain files
10:09 <@Dagmar> He's under the impression that the kernel will be able to do something useful to magically optimize reading all those files from disk
10:09 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that the select() on 1,000 filehandles will run like shit
10:10 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that he'll probably bump up against ulimits repeatedly and wonder why his shit crashes
10:10 <@Dagmar> Nevermind being given articles from over a decade ago explaining _why_ nonblocking IO on regular files is a dumb thing to even try
10:13 <@Dagmar> I tried repeatedly to express to him that creating a big mess in order for hte kernel to "optimize" it is insane, but he's having none of it
10:13 <@Dagmar> It's a bit like dumping a box of broken glass on the floor so the Roomba will have something to do
10:14 <@Dagmar> It so far from proper housecleaning it's not even funny
10:32 <@Evilpig> aestetix: 12
10:33 <@Evilpig> young enough that it should be considered child abuse to give them hormones 
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10:56 < aestetix> Evilpig: jesus
10:56 < aestetix> how the fuck can a 12 year old be "trans"
10:57 <@Dagmar> If they're not currently sitting with a psychotherapist, it probably *is* illegal
10:58 <@Dagmar> THere can be reasons to apply puberty-postponing drugs, but otherwise there's no *way* someone's orientation is complete until they've at least reached puberty
10:58 <@Dagmar> Without a shrink weighing in it's probably just plain unconscionable to apply gender reassignment hormone therapy
10:59 < aestetix> all I can say
11:00 < aestetix> is that in 10-15 years I suspect there will be a wave of suicides and lawsuits
11:00 < aestetix> if you're 21, do what you want. if you're 12, fuck no
11:01 <@Dolemite> My daughter declared at one point that she was a boy shortly after her first period.  Lasted about 2 months.  Now she's a girl, again.
11:01 <@Dagmar> There's plenty of those already, but hormone therapy tends to be non-reversible so until they've reasonably gotten past puberty applying it without a _damn_ good reason is very very dangerous
11:01 < aestetix> Dolemite: sounds about right
11:01 <@Dagmar> Hell, how many kids would be half-reptile because they decided they wanted to be Godzilla
11:02 < aestetix> Dolemite: is there such a thing as a tomboy anymore?
11:03 < aestetix> Or has that been banned
11:04 <@Dolemite> Well that's pretty much how we've always thought of her.   She's the thrill seeker.
11:04 <@Dolemite> But I don't think people really use that term much these days
11:04 <@Dolemite> I'm old.  I can get away with it.
11:04 < aestetix> well tomboy is more accurate than trans
11:04 <@Dagmar> "Tomboy" is fine
11:07 <@Dagmar> If someone wants to call themselves a tomboy, it's perfectly fine
11:08 <@Dagmar> No, I mean thrown away
11:08 <@Dagmar> @!#$@#$
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19:27 <@Mirage> oh, shit...Amazon is sending me an account termination notice via the domain "ninjas-in-pajamas-13.com".   I better respond to that.  Looks totally legit.
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