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05:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:49  * aestetix hugs Dolemite l
06:05 <@Dolemite> You stay away from my l
07:31 < aestetix> Is there a single policy that the democrats are pushing that would help working class people?
07:32 < aestetix> Seems most of their stuff is around identity politics now
07:43 <@Dolemite> Just the ambiguous policies - expanded access to healthcare, pushing vaccinations to get people back to work, etc
07:58 <@opticron> did they drop the $15/hr minimum wage increase?
07:59 <@opticron> I haven't been paying attention since everyone was focused on the orange circus
08:03 <@Dolemite> The latest I read is that they still support a minimum wage increase, but not $15
08:09 < aestetix> I wonder how many businesses a $15 minimum wage will put out of business
08:10 < aestetix> There was an issue like that in San Francisco when they raised their minimum wage and a beloved bookstore promptly announced they were going out of business.
08:10 < aestetix> They even had a town hall at the bookstore where they invited the community to come, and showed their finances, and why the increased wage killed them financially
08:11 < aestetix> especially with COVID, lots of little shops are barely hanging on :/
08:12 <@Dolemite> Unfortunately I know of too many cases - personally - where a small business owner is the only person making a good salary and their employees are all on State assistance
08:13 <@Dolemite> So if a business can't afford to stay open by paying their employees at least a livable wage, should it really even be in business?
08:13 <@Dolemite> The State needs to stop propping up bad business models
08:30 < aestetix> in those cases how is the state propping it up?
08:30 < aestetix> you mean being on state assistance?
08:31 <@Dagmar> It should not.
08:32 <@Dagmar> If it can't pay it's employees a living wage, it's not a viable business model.  Sorry, guys!
08:33 < aestetix> I'm confused. The propping up is the state assistance helping the employees?
08:33 <@Dagmar> Companies who "can't" pay employees a living wage are basically asking their employees to subsidize the company.
08:33 < aestetix> Or is it somehow helping the business owner
08:33 < aestetix> Well, SF is a special case probably, because the cost of living like tripled
08:33 < aestetix> And people who make under 100k in SF are considered poverty line
08:34 < aestetix> I know a bunch of people in berlin who make under 20k eur a year. mostly artists, but it's livable. my friends in SF can't even comprehend that
08:36 <@Dagmar> I've no idea how you've gotten to this age without the ability to do simple math
08:40 < aestetix> you mean because of the 100k comment?
08:43 <@Dagmar> They should really type the root password for you, too.
08:43 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
08:43 <@Dagmar> aestetix: The 100k figure does not matter
08:44 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Either the employees are being paid enough to reaosonably live, or the business shouldn't be operating
08:44 <@Dagmar> If that means a city fucking prices itself completely out of viability, that's the _city's_ problem
08:44 <@Dagmar> All that money is going _somewhere_ to be sure.
08:45 <@Dagmar> Keeping financial mechanisms from self-destructing society is one of governent's needed functions
08:45 < aestetix> haha
08:45 < aestetix> yeah, agreed. SF totally fucked itself
08:46 < aestetix> the somewhere it is going is all the foreign owners of real estate charging more and more rent money
08:47 <@Dagmar> Wafficus: Then you need more space
08:47 < aestetix> which is how you get a tech worker making $250k and having trouble making ends meet, because the guy in china who owns the tech worker's house is making bank
08:47 <@Dagmar> Oh I can promise you that way more of those people are _not_ foreigners.
08:47 < aestetix> Dagmar: right, except that you have 50 years of zoning laws making that impossible
08:47 <@Dagmar> THey're just people who know they're making a living by fucking over their neighbors
08:48 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Just means politicians have to do more work
08:48 < aestetix> well there are more issues
08:48 < aestetix> every new housing built will be luxory, catering to tech workers
08:48 < aestetix> because that's where the money is
08:49 < aestetix> and most of those places can't get built because it would bulldoze some run down landmark, so there are endless all night city hall debates
08:49 <@Dagmar> Again, fucking jobs of government
08:50 < aestetix> to be fair, san francisco is a case study in "how can we really, really fuck ourselves"
08:50 <@Dagmar> They're going to have to sell bonds in order to buy some balls
08:50 < aestetix> haha
08:50 < aestetix> This is the same government that created a tax free zone on market street in 2010 to keep twitter from moving out of the city ;)
08:51 < aestetix> which then prompted a bunch of other startups to move into that area, causing the real estate price to skyrocket, and killing most of the local businesses
08:51 <@Dagmar> They can force the rich idiots who will not starve even a little bit to roll their shit back to more reasonable levels, or they can continue letting actual humans starve while working 80-hour work weeks
08:51 <@Dagmar> Let's be clear about something tho
08:51 <@Dagmar> A bunch of people moving into somewhere doesn't _cause_ the prices to go up
08:52 <@Dagmar> The greed of property owners causes that
08:52 < aestetix> yeah sure
08:52 < aestetix> which is why the places in san francisco that have not collapsed are the streets in the mission district where all the local businesses are self-owned
08:52 <@Dagmar> Obviously no one in San Francisco would pay $1000/month for a fucking 3/4 room economy on the edge of the 'Loin
08:52 <@Dagmar> THey're doing it because they have no choice
08:53 <@Dagmar> They're doing it because the landlords are demanding that
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08:55 < aestetix> man even just talking about this is pissing me off
08:55 < aestetix> no wonder I was angry all the time when I lived there
08:55 < aestetix> thank god I left
09:11 <@Dagmar> Damn windows people
09:12 <@Dagmar> rngmaster: So point dd at _just_ the partition
10:44 <@eryc> will do
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17:21 < Evilpig_> who's got bluetooth headphones they currently like?  my lg hbs730's just kicked the bucket after nearly 10 years
17:25 <@opticron> I have several pairs depending on what I'm doing with them
17:25 <@opticron> over-ear for general listening, buds w/ connecting wire for exercise
17:26 < Evilpig_> I mainly use it for calls or listening to music/movies when I travel.  so long battery time is good
17:26 < Evilpig_> the ones I had were up to like 15 hours initially or something crazy for talk time
17:26 <@opticron> yeah, my big over-ears get a lot of life
17:27 < Evilpig_> definitely not a fan of wireless hipster buds
17:27 < Evilpig_> just seeing them makes me angry in the store
17:28 <@opticron> SONY WH-1000XM3 is what I have, there's XM4 out now with little to no difference
17:28 < Evilpig_> these look like a newer version of what I had, but barely.  https://www.lg.com/us/headphones/lg-HBS-510-Black-tone-triumph
17:28 < PigBot> LG HBS 510 BLACK RED: Tone Triumph Headset | LG USA (at www.lg.com)
17:28 < Evilpig_> noise canceling would be nice
17:28 <@opticron> that's why I got those
17:28 <@opticron> the buds on the harness-style ones aren't bad at passive blocking
17:29 < Evilpig_> do those have a mic?  or are they just headphones?
17:29 <@opticron> mic, too
17:29 <@opticron> I use them for calls
17:29 < Evilpig_> I see that after I got lower
17:30 <@opticron> rated for something like 18hrs with NC enabled
17:30 < Evilpig_> definitely got good reviews on them.  thanks that might be a good option
17:30 <@opticron> and it gets it, too
18:14 <@Dagmar> I'm kind of of the opinion that it definitely matters whether or not one's ears are shaped to be able to handle the hard ported kind
18:15 <@Dagmar> I have the TaoTronics Sound Liberty 53's, and they're pretty good.  They cost like $35-50
18:15 <@Dagmar> ...except they're the rubber nipple kind and will fall otu of my damn ears.
18:15 <@Dagmar> I'm about to go order the similar model that are like the earbuds that came with the Pixel, i.e., hard ported
18:16 <@Dagmar> Those--corded or not--have never had a problem staying in my ears.
18:16 <@Dagmar> Evilpig_: Yeah so... if you've not tried Valheim...  It's pretty good
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21:32 < Evilpig_> fuckin' comcast man
21:33 < Evilpig_> "sir I can see some outages on your account and they total to around 4 hours.  with your current rate you pay $8/day for service so I can over you $3.50 as a credit on your bill"
21:34 < Evilpig_> how about the 6 hours today I spent waiting for your shitbird techs to show up?  can I charge you back my consulting rate that I wasn't able to bill elsewhere because I was waiting on you?
21:34 < Evilpig_> and they wonder why people hate them
22:56 <@Mirage> Evilpig_: these are well rated, but IMO complete shit.   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UYL7LIY/
22:56 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Mpow Pro Trucker Bluetooth Headset V5.0, Wireless Headphones with Microphone for Cell Phone, Office Bluetooth Headset, CVC 6.0 Noise Canceling, On Ear Headphones for Call Center, Truck Driver, Skype (at www.amazon.com) https://tinyurl.com/y6utqzlz
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