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06:52 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:06  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:15 <@Dolemite> Man, Trump's administration was even more disorganized then I imagined, based on that interview on Face The Nation with Dr. Birx, yesterday.
07:16 <@Dolemite> And she sure did dance around calling Trump out directly.
07:22 <@_NSAKEY> Did you see Fauci talking about getting powder in the mail?
07:29 <@Dolemite> No, but I'd read that at some point
07:33 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: oh wow
07:33 <@_NSAKEY> Not only did it arrive, but he opened it and the powder got all over his chest and face
07:33 <@Dolemite> Only 2 people in the White House wore a mask - Dr. Birx and her HHS cohort.
07:34 < aestetix> that's so fucked up
07:34 <@Dolemite> "They believed that testing would be a reasonable substitute"
07:35 <@Dolemite> The White House (TWH from here on out) had multiple data streams coming in about the virus and masks...   and they were mixing data from the streams which is what created so much confusion and was so frustrating to her and Fauci
07:35 <@Dolemite> Apparently these fuckers never watched Ghostbusters
07:35 <@Dolemite> NEVER.   CROSS.   THE.   STREAMS.
07:37 < aestetix> so..... is the press going to ask biden any hard questions?
07:37 < aestetix> or did that go away when trump left
07:38 < aestetix> just thiking about how they softballed obama
07:41 <@Dolemite> Well it's not like they got real answers out of Trump
07:42 <@Dolemite> Or his multiple press secretaries
07:42 < aestetix> of course not
07:42 < aestetix> at least obama spoke in complete sentences
07:42 <@Dolemite> Oh, did you see where Sarah Huckabee Sanders is running for Governor of Arkansas?
07:42 < aestetix> but still. the press absolutely sucked during obama
07:42 <@Dolemite> Yes, they did give Obama a major pass
07:43 < aestetix> especially given all the bad stuff that happend during his term
07:43 < aestetix> I still wish trump had pardoned snowden, just as a fuck you to obama
07:44 <@_NSAKEY> Why would he screw up his master's leverage?
07:45 < aestetix> haha
07:46 < aestetix> and also, it would have confused all the antifa people who love snowden but hate trump
07:46 < aestetix> "wow, he did something I really like.... but he's the devil..... what do I do"
07:46 <@_NSAKEY> I'll admit, pardoning Snowden would have been hilarious for that reason alone.
07:46 < aestetix> or if trump pardoned asata shakur or one of the black panthers
07:46 <@_NSAKEY> But the fact that Trump is so deeply compromised and pretty much owes 2016 to the Russians told me all I needed to know about Snowden's pardon prospects.
07:47 < aestetix> that would fuck with antifa so much
07:47 <@_NSAKEY> None of that would be as funny as what we have now with the Qtards here in the states.
07:47 <@_NSAKEY> It almost makes me wish I had a facebook account, just to watch those meltdowns live.
07:53 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: they aren't happening.  they claim that facebook is keeping them from posting anything and the media isn't reporting on all the shit they know about it too
07:53 <@_NSAKEY> r/LeopardsAteMyFace says otherwise
07:54 <@Dolemite> All the Qtards that were in my orbit are just plain silent.   I think they're laying low to make sure that they don't end up served with a warrant for planning a coup.
07:55 <@Evilpig> I've had one come out of hiding and claim that it was the first time he's been able to post anything
07:56 <@Dolemite> There were a lot of 30 day bans issued, so that could be the problem
07:56 <@_NSAKEY> I don't do social media, so I don't have any Qtards in my orbit. If I did, I would fuck with them relentlessly for being the kind of person who believes in Nigerian princes.
07:58 < aestetix> I don't get why antifa gets a pass though
07:58 < aestetix> I am definitely in favor of arresting people who rioted the capitol
07:59 < aestetix> I'm also in favor of arresting the BLM antifa who burned down multiple cities last summer
08:03 < aestetix> heh did everyone just label me far-right wing for saying that
08:15 <@Dolemite> antifa shouldn't get a pass
08:15 <@Dolemite> or BLM
08:16 <@Dolemite> When any group starts to destroy property or assault others, that's over the line
08:16 < aestetix> yep
08:16 < aestetix> I don't mean you all gave antifa a pass. I mean the news media and big tech elite did
08:24 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: It's funny arguing with right wingers here in the states over the capitol stuff. They immediately go to crying about BLM and antifa in the summer, and especially love bringing up seattle and the chaz.
08:25 <@_NSAKEY> It's more of a diversion from the topic at hand than anything else.
08:25 <@_NSAKEY> They don't want to talk about the act that they're soft on terrorism.
08:26 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: uh.... that makes no sense
08:26 < aestetix> both were bad
08:26 < aestetix> well actually antifa was a bit smarter because they wore masks
08:28 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, you need to be careful when you bring that stuff up, because all the really idiotic trump humpers have been programmed to change the subject to BLM/antifa and derail any attempt to bring the conversation back to the capitol
08:28 < aestetix> ok how should one approach it then
08:28 <@_NSAKEY> Oh, and they have no meaningful counter for "Yes, those people should be punished too, but Seattle's government being weak and coupchella."
08:28 < aestetix> because I think we agree both were bad
08:29 < aestetix> hahaha
08:29 <@_NSAKEY> Well, given your dislike of far left people, you may want to ignore that advice. You'll probably trigger a few of them.
08:30 < aestetix> and yes, seattle's government totally dropped the ball
08:30 < aestetix> and portland too
08:30 <@_NSAKEY> Ugh, not enough caffeine
08:30 <@_NSAKEY> They don't see the difference between Seattle's government being weak and coupchella being pushed by republicans hard
08:31 < aestetix> ahh ok
08:31 <@_NSAKEY> Do you remember when one of the Bundys and some fellow nutjobs took over that bureau of land management site during the obama years?
08:31 <@_NSAKEY> they got surrounded, and it was allowed to fizzle out
08:31 < aestetix> you mean how coupchella was actually organized, whereas antifa in seattle was a bunch of idiots who an incompetent mayor let run free?
08:31 <@_NSAKEY> I kinda see the chaz as an urban version of that, but I still don't get why they let it happen in the firstplace
08:32 <@_NSAKEY> I mean, they were organized enough to have armed people at barricades
08:32 <@_NSAKEY> But I get your point
08:32 < aestetix> I mean
08:33 < aestetix> at least the coupchella didn't have to stop everything and have a four hour general assembly where they tried to get all 50k people to reach consensus on whether to break down the door
08:33 <@_NSAKEY> It's also funny to bring up how Charlie Kirk paid for a bunch of plane/bus tickets and hotel rooms, like he's trying to live out the George Soros stereotype.
08:33 < aestetix> I dunno how many general assemblys you've been in
08:33 < aestetix> but those things are horrible
08:34 <@_NSAKEY> And if you REALLY want to piss off some right-wingers, make suggestions about Boebert and how she met her husband, or suggest she should be executed for treason if she actually gave "tours" etc the day before
08:34 < aestetix> especially when there is a long back and forth, and everyone has to repeat the shit over and over again
08:34 <@_NSAKEY> Nashville 2600 board meetings were terrible enough for me. No thanks.
08:35 < aestetix> I mean that's what happened to occupy
08:35 < aestetix> all the reasonable people got sick of shit like the GA and left
08:35 < aestetix> and the only people left were either egomaniacs or drug addicts
08:36 < aestetix> if you want a fun time, try negotiating where a crowd should be to keep the police from arresting everyone..... and then trying to convince drug addicts who hate the police to stay behind that line
08:36 <@_NSAKEY> I remember reading some stuff about the local occupy when it was fizzling out. One of the remaining people was a known kid diddler
08:36 <@_NSAKEY> lol Junkies never make the best decisions
08:37 < aestetix> yeah or like when they tried to fix the drug problem by declaring the zone to be drug and alcohol free
08:37 < aestetix> except they didn't know how to enforce that
08:37 <@_NSAKEY> That's like something out of The Wire
08:37 <@_NSAKEY> except in reverse
08:37 < aestetix> I knew one guy who worked in tech.... a highly skilled programmer
08:38 < aestetix> he basically moved to live at the occupy location
08:38 <@_NSAKEY> How long did that pipe dream last?
08:38 < aestetix> and he didn't bathe for like a month, he smelled horrible. his company was trying to figure out what to do, because if they fired him for his smell, it would piss off all the pro-occupy people
08:39 < aestetix> like he would go live with drug addicts out in the park at night, then during the day would go to his day job at the tech company.... without changing his clothes or anything
08:39 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Is this the same as the smelly guy you brought to PhreakNIC one year?
08:39 < aestetix> and for PR reasons the company had to keep saying they supported what he was doing, even though he stank and pissed off everyone
08:39 <@Dolemite> Because he STANK
08:39 < aestetix> Dolemite: no
08:40 <@Dolemite> Why do you hang out with so many people that are averse to bathing regularly?
08:40 <@Dolemite> Or if not hang out, know?
08:40 <@_NSAKEY> Why am I not surprised that aestetix brought a person who smelled to PhreakNIC?
08:40 < aestetix> Dolemite: that's a sample size of two
08:41 <@Dolemite> Yes, but you're mostly antisocial, so that could easily represent 20% of the people you know
08:41 <@_NSAKEY> or 66%
08:41 < aestetix> Dolemite: was that the year murd0c got arrested?
08:42 <@Dolemite> Well I've shared a room with aestetix at PhreakNIC, so I qualify as knowing him (but not in a biblical sense).   I also know from that experience that (1) aestetix wasn't the stinky one and (2) aestetix doesn't even sleep, so he must be a robot.
08:43 <@_NSAKEY> What's a murd0c and why did he get arrested?
08:43 <@Dolemite> aestetix:  Possibly the same year murd0c and redboxchilipepper were stupid enough to fuck up the hotel's phone routing
08:43 < aestetix> yes that was the year
08:43 <@_NSAKEY> LOL
08:43 <@_NSAKEY> I remember hearing about this.
08:44 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: These two clowns decided to call the hotel's phone provider and tell them that they were "with the hotel" and that they were having phone issues and asked to have the inbound calls routed to their cell phone until it was fixed.
08:45 <@Dolemite> They then started cursing out people trying to call to make a reservation and using some rather unsavory racial epithets
08:45 < aestetix> and took a credit card number down, IIRC
08:45 <@Dolemite> Yeah, then told the customer they were idiots for saying the numbers over the phone
08:45 <@_NSAKEY> I remember hearing about the phone calls being rerouted.
08:45 <@Dolemite> We were lucky the entire convention didn't get tossed immediately
08:46 <@Dolemite> It's only because I immediately had the staff listen to the grapevine and figure out who was behind it and then turn them into the hotel staff that we were able to stay.
08:47 < aestetix> I remember seeing murd0c escorted out by multiple law enforcement agencies
08:47 < aestetix> one of the funnier parts of it all
08:47 <@Dolemite> Then I talked to the owner about how he needed to put a codeword on his account with the telco because it would be easy for someone not related to the convention at all to commit fraud since the telco was stupid enough to just take the call and do the work
08:48 < aestetix> the guy who had given murd0c a ride in his carpool.... his legal name was "Richard Cheney"
08:48 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I remember that, too
08:48 < aestetix> and because Dick Cheney also happened to be the VP, the police didn't believe him and accused him of having a fake id
08:49 <@Dolemite> So yeah, the cops dropped murd0c off at the truck stop nearby where he had to wait for his dad to either send him some money to get home or to come get him
08:49 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: Well played.
08:49 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: It was the only way to play it.   We tell everybody up front - you don't shit where you eat.
08:49 <@_NSAKEY> Did they just remove him from the property, or did he get charged?
08:49 <@Dolemite> He was charged with something
08:50 <@Dolemite> I don't know if they settled for a lump of daddy's lawyer cash, or what
08:50 <@_NSAKEY> PN these days is so tame compared to some of the wild bullshit you guys talk about.
08:50 <@Dolemite> The cops removed him for trespassing because the front desk declared him persona non grata
08:50 <@_NSAKEY> I remember someninja talking about the network in the early days, and how you guys had to run cat5 around the building to keep people from just cutting the cables
08:51 < aestetix> there are photos of that from PN5
08:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah, in the early days it wasn't common for hotels to have internet - only an extra phone jack for dial-up
08:51 <@Dolemite> I remember running coax in the really early years
08:51 <@_NSAKEY> The part that gets me is the people cutting it. Why?
08:51 <@Dolemite> The first year I was involved, I setup the firewall on a FreeBSD box
08:52 <@Dolemite> So all the cables routed into my hotel room at the Days Inn Airport, which has since been bulldozed
08:52 <@Dagmar> PoE over wifi is especially exciting
08:52 <@Dolemite> That was the second hotel PN was ever in.   The first was the Drury Inn at Haywood Lane - which has also been bulldozed.
08:53 <@Dagmar> Taking the CLarion into account, one might think hacker cons are bad for hotels
08:53 <@Dolemite> Then for one year we were downtown at what at the time was a Ramada, over by The Flying Saucer.   That's the one where timball cut the Cat5 cable between floors.
08:53 <@_NSAKEY> Was that on purpose?
08:53 <@Dolemite> After that I moved us over to the Days Inn Stadium, where it remained for many years
08:53 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: The purpose of being an assclown?   Ues.
08:53 <@Dolemite> Yes
08:54 <@_NSAKEY> Oh, so it was an isolated thing. I was under the impression that it was the norm.
08:55 <@Dolemite> That same year we tried to partner up with one of the local LAN Gaming groups
08:56 <@Dolemite> That was a bit of a disaster
08:56 <@Dolemite> It brought more people to the convention, but they all stayed up the entire weekend gaming and for the most part nobody got a hotel room
08:56 <@Dolemite> But the sales person also double booked one of the meeting spaces for Sunday morning.   A local startup church.   That was some hilarity right there.
08:57 <@Dolemite> They go into their space to have their service and there is a youth wrapped in static cling wrap and passed out drunk on the couch in the lobby.
08:57 <@Mirage> That was an eventful year.   Laser meltdown smoked up the 1st floor, drew just about got his ass beat for going around shocking people with the cattle prod, a church group met Sun morning in one of the spaces.
08:57 < aestetix> What about the year where PN shared the hotel with a clown conference?
08:58 <@Dolemite> aestetix: THAT was an awesome year
08:58 <@Dolemite> It was the Shriner Circus
08:58 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: The youth in static cling wrap sounds familiar from pictures
08:58 <@Mirage> The look on Decius face when Dolemite told him was awesome...i wish i'd had a camera
08:58 <@Dolemite> So not a clown conference, but a charity event to raise money for children's hospital
08:59 <@Dolemite> I'm wearing the shirt from that year, if I recall correctly.   The I Want You design.
08:59 <@Dolemite> Uncle Sam, that is
08:59 <@Dolemite> It's quite faded at this point.   Hard to really see the original design well.
08:59 <@_NSAKEY> I have one of the signs from that year in my office. Ben had a free stuff table one year.
09:01 <@Dolemite> That was before the 501(c)3 status, so I had to basically run it like a propietorship.   Skydog and I headed out to DEFCON and I expensed that trip to offset the admission fees in terms of my taxes.
09:01 <@Dolemite> Well, I expensed part of that trip.   It was more than the "profit" on the convention.
09:02 <@Dolemite> Plus I was no stranger to Vegas, so we got a hotel at what is now Planet Hollywood Casino for dirt cheap.
09:03 <@Dolemite> And Timball stayed in our room for part of the time
09:04 <@Dolemite> I took a picture with Kevin Mitnick at DEFCON, which was the first one he was able to legally attend.   He was a speaker at a conference I went to a few years, ago, and I dragged up the picture of us together.   We both groaned at how old we are, now.
09:16 <@Dagmar> Drink the blood of more infants, geez
09:16 <@Dagmar> It's not like they can fight back.
09:16 <@Dolemite> It gives me heartburn :(
09:35 <@_NSAKEY> Are you guys keeping up with the Gamestop stock price drama? It's a lolfest.
09:35 <@Dolemite> Not closely
09:35 <@_NSAKEY> $121.83 as of right now
09:35 <@_NSAKEY> It was $2.57 back in March
09:35 <@_NSAKEY> Pretty sure some short sellers are going to go under over this one.
09:36 <@Dagmar> I've had to explain to co-workers why shorts are generally a bad idea unless you're almost the only one doing them
09:36 <@Dagmar> ...and this AFTER the debacle with Volkswagon
09:38 < aestetix> oh wow kevin mitnick is 57
09:38 <@Dagmar> Basically, sneaky redditors realized that a lot of people were shorting Gamestop, and that Gamestop hasn't really issued tons of stock
09:39 <@Dagmar> ...meaning they could buy up enough stock, which would keep the price up causing the shorts to fail, and when they're called, you'd have people needing to cover X number of shorts with X-n available stocks
09:41 <@Dagmar> DON'T do that
09:41 <@Dagmar> @#$@#$
09:42 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: The same thing looks to be brewing with BB (Blackberry)
09:43 <@Dolemite> Sadly I'm sure that there are some schmucks out there who think that GameStop is a good buy right now because it's trending up
09:43 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: It might be if few people sell and the short sellers keep pushing the price up because they have to cover the shorts
09:44 <@Dolemite> But there's no way to tell when that rug will get pulled out from under the stock
09:44 <@_NSAKEY> Citron pretty much said "This is only worth $20/share, max) and it went up. It was at $65/share at the market close on friday
09:44 <@_NSAKEY> Nope, and that's why it's so fun to watch.
09:44 <@Dagmar> That's what happened
09:44 <@_NSAKEY> I don't have a financial interest in it either way.
09:44 <@Dolemite> And there's no way that the company is worth the current price or could ever live up to that valuation
09:44 <@Dolemite> Kind of like TESLA stock.
09:44 <@_NSAKEY> This isn't about fundamentals though, it's about meme stocks going to the moon and the slaughter of bears
09:45 <@Dolemite> yep
09:46 <@Dagmar> This is basically why institutions cater to only "accreddited investors?"
09:47 <@Dagmar> They don't like it when the hoi polloi start pulling fat-cat shenanigans.
09:47 <@Dagmar> It's far too much like democracy
09:48 <@Dagmar> Not so many people have $200k to blow on something silly, but it's not that hard to find 100 people with $2k to blow on a sneaky stunt that's _going_ to make money
09:50 <@_NSAKEY> or 10000 people willing to blow $2, because yay robinhood and fractional shares
09:51 <@Dagmar> Yep that'll work too
12:54 < xray> INFOSEC Sea Shanty - Rachel Tobac - YouTube
12:54 < xray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft5bW5MEOCM
12:54 < PigBot> Rachel Tobac - Security, hackers and password - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yyf3o3d9
21:44 <@Dagmar> I will say the Angua character is just as cute as a button
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