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02:47 <@Mirage> https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/us/chuck-yeager-death/index.html
02:47 < PigBot> Chuck Yeager, pilot who broke the sound barrier, dies at 97 - CNN (at www.cnn.com) https://tinyurl.com/yymyso48
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05:55 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez!
05:55 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Yeah, that sucks, but he was 97 years old...   so he lived one hell of a life and lasted much longer than most of us
06:05  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:08 <@Dolemite> aestetix: So what's the word on vaccine approval/availability in Germany?
06:08 < aestetix> It's a clusterfuck
06:08 <@Dolemite> You have Trump leading your effort, too?
06:08 < aestetix> apparently there are a bunch of nurses who are quitting before the rollout
06:08 < aestetix> source: a friend's wife is a german nurse
06:09 < aestetix> https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-is-no-longer-a-role-model/a-55857791
06:09 < PigBot> Coronavirus: Germany is no longer a role model | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 07.12.2020 (at www.dw.com) https://tinyurl.com/y6ob3nyk
06:15 <@Dolemite> It will be interesting (and devastating) to see the final numbers in hindsight.   I think about countries with very high poverty rates and high population densities...    think about a country like Indonesia, which I haven't heard a bit of news about regarding Coronavirus.
06:16 <@Dolemite> They have a very low infection number reported, which simply doesn't quite jive with their population density
06:16 <@Dolemite> Ah, looks like they started getting the China manufactured vaccine yesterday
07:16 < xray> https://www.techspot.com/news/87852-google-2-gbps-fiber-internet-service-now-widely.html
07:16 < PigBot> Google's 2 Gbps fiber Internet service is now widely available in Nashville and Huntsville (at www.techspot.com) https://tinyurl.com/y3hu7qne
07:17 <@Dolemite> Heh, I'm still only paying for 300 Mbps service here...   even with all four of us either constantly streaming or gaming our own stuff
07:17 <@Dolemite> It's plenty enough bandwidth for us and then some
07:18 <@Dolemite> And that includes all of my downloads of clown porn from Evilpig's FTP server
07:33 < oddball> Wait, does that mean that Google Fiber is finally available in more places than a couple apartment complexes downtown Nashville?
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07:40 <@Dagmar> No, it means the reporter is fucking lazy.
07:42 <@Dagmar> It's still not available at the condo by the marina (I just checked) and I personally saw them burying the fiber on that street
08:01 <@Evilpig> oddball: not by much
08:01 <@Evilpig> they were supposed to be rolling it out over here but it never made it.
09:12 <@Dagmar> Good old Comcast and AT&T... working together to ensure that everyone's internet is equally shit.
09:26 <@Evilpig> at least when at&t rolled up in here they drove comcrap's pricing down since there was competition
09:43 <@NotLarry> well fuck https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=future-is-centos-stream
09:44 < PigBot> CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream – Blog.CentOS.org (at blog.centos.org) https://tinyurl.com/yym63pp6
09:44 <@Dagmar> Yep
09:44 <@Dagmar> Looks like I'll be migrating shit to Debian as CentOS 7 hits EOL
09:44 <@NotLarry> Drop 8 years of os support in the blink of an eye.  Good think I didn't rush to adopt Centos 8, oh, wait...
09:44 <@Dagmar> I'm not running code categorizes as "testing" or "experimental" in production.  Fuck that.
11:44 <@Mirage> I'm still waiting on cable companies to get away from the asyncronous speed mindset...at least for [small] business accounts.  I find it annoying that to get 30-35Mb up that I have to get 1G down.   I liked my fiOS better when I just had 50-55Mb syncronous vs the "faster" cable I'm forced into here
11:45 <@Mirage> As to CentOS, I guarantee that the main driving force for the announcement is to generate more sales of RHEL licensing.
11:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah ti's pretty obvious
11:46 <@Dagmar> "If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat and give us money."
11:47 <@Dagmar> SOmeone needs a dickpunch for this stunt
11:55 <@Dolemite> Didn't they announce a couple of years back that they were planning on this?   Or was that a different distro?   I'm feeling a bit of deja vu.
12:06 <@Catonic> Damn, this place is still fast on news.
12:18 <@Dagmar> What do you expect?  We're attached to giant screens 18 hours a day now
12:24 <@_NSAKEY> Not to mention, jumping on any scraps of information that don't involve Mango Man or his mischief of plague rats
12:24 <@Dagmar> This sort of announcement in particular hit me from four different sources in the space of an hour
12:25 <@Dagmar> Rather a large number of people are finding it somewhat suspect
12:25 <@_NSAKEY> My workplace isn't going to care, because they buy RHEL anyway. In fact, on those rare instances where someone comes to me for support on a CentOS box, I have standing instructions to laugh at them and tell them to go to their vendor.
12:25 <@Dagmar> I think he's basically expecting the authorization to persist for the remainder of the login session, which isn't how sudo was designed to be used
12:26 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
12:26 <@Dagmar> This will probably harm RHEL adoption because there's not going to be any "clean" path to upgrade a system directly from CentOS to RHEL anymore
12:26 <@Dagmar> So... paying money _and_ refactoring the entire stack?  Yeah, sign me up for that!
12:27 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, and I imagine it will also affect Oracle Linux, since they were pulling from CentOS and adding their updated kernel with some extra drivers.
12:27 <@_NSAKEY> It'll probably be a boost for Canonical
12:27 <@Dolemite> That's for sure
12:28 <@_NSAKEY> I'd rather deal with the Debian family of distros than Red Hat, anyway.
12:32 <@Dagmar> ...which is actually not the use case for which the authorization retention was designed.
12:33 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: If they insist on abandoning "stable" for CentOS yeah I'll be switching to Debian for production environments
12:33 <@_NSAKEY> You'll probably get stuck with Ubuntu because of the theoretical ability to get vendor support, but that's not the worst thing to ever happen.
12:34 <@_NSAKEY> Just expect to hear 6 different pronunciations of "Ubuntu" from 5 different people, with none of them being correct.
12:34 <@Dolemite> At least with Ubuntu, unlike RHEL, you get the exact same repositories when you use the free version as the paid support version.   You just don't get the extra management tools.
12:35 <@Dolemite> And the LTS versions have a decent shelf life.
12:35 <@_NSAKEY> Yup.
12:35 <@_NSAKEY> The LTS releases track close enough to any given stable branch of Debian that you can get results for one off of google and use it to fix the other.
12:40 <@Dagmar> I should refine my earlier statement that I'll be using Devuan for production
12:40 <@_NSAKEY> Another distro with a name that nobody pronounces correctly.
15:49 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: not to mention it's going to hurt RHEL because of the install base of centos was also submitting bug reports that were directly getting fixed in RHEL
15:50 <@Evilpig> CentOS wasn't some altruistic entity as it was a way for them to get free testing and community support
15:51 <@Evilpig> In other news, just had an internal customer call me and say "I need to get a VIP made by 5:30 because <CEO, name drop> and Covid.  This is also beyond tickets so you just need to do it"
15:52 <@Evilpig> I laughed at him and told him realistically it'll be noon tomorrow.  His server doesn't have a static IP, we don't have firewall rules from the load balancers to this crap whatever.  5:30 is a pipe dream, and no ticket is a non-starter entirely
16:06 <@Dagmar> I think the fastest I ever put one together was 20 mintes and that was with the moving bits already in place
16:06 <@Dagmar> ANything under two hours and someone better bring me snax
16:07 <@Mirage> And crawl under your desk while you do it.
16:07 <@Evilpig> I can easily build out a vip in 30 minutes.  but with the server not having a static, all our new VIPs have to have firewall rules because there aren't any default open ports anymore.  not happening
16:08 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm sure someone in netsec will be more than willing to push out empty firewall policies for thisd
16:08 <@Evilpig> I just talked to netsec and they're out for the day.  the manager there said "sucks to be him, we'll get to that ticket in the morning"
16:08 <@Dagmar> trolololol
16:11 <@Evilpig> this rabbit hole gets deeper
16:11 <@Evilpig> "He was asking me what I wanted to name the app…. so this is all well thought out"
16:11 <@Evilpig> I suggested cheyenneslastminuterequest.app.vumc.org
16:13 <@Dagmar> Yeaaah
16:29 <@Evilpig> stupid user just called me up ans hasn't even gotten the static ip yet
17:28 <@Evilpig> dummy got an ip.  and I was able to see the server.  started getting shit set up for the eventual request and was getting a good ssl connection  "Negotiated cipher            ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384, 253 bit ECDH (X25519)"
17:29 <@Evilpig> he supposedly regenerated the self-signed cert and now all I get is "curl: (35) Server aborted the SSL handshake"
18:00 <@Catonic> I'm embarrassed to say I once brought seven servers into being in 24 hours and set a company record because it was still built by hand.
18:02 <@Catonic> 1-2-4 mirroring of hard drives. The hard part was keeping them straight and rebuilding the drives in the right order.
18:02 <@Catonic> Oh well, it's beer-thirty.
19:18 <@Evilpig> https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/773709-a-recipe-for-seduction
19:18 < PigBot> A Recipe for Seduction (2020) — The Movie Database (TMDb) (at www.themoviedb.org)
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