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02:47 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG9rE1pcMcU
02:47 < aestetix> enjoy
02:48 < PigBot> Reinventing Home Directories - DevConf.CZ 2020 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/yxvfnmuv
06:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez!
06:20  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
10:06 <@Dagmar> Fuck that man
10:06 <@Dagmar> They don't need "reinventing"
10:07 <@Dagmar> So install it
10:12 < aestetix> I watched about half of it
10:12 < aestetix> And.... my takeaway is that Lennart has some hardcore control issues
10:13 < aestetix> Maybe he should spend some time with a therapist instead of taking it out on systemd
10:13 <@Dagmar> This is called "Resume-driven Development"
10:13 < aestetix> "We need to ask... is user mangement such as where the password is stored... is that a system config, or a user config?"
10:13 <@Dagmar> Making a part of 100% of the systems 5x more complex to resolve a minor problem that could be handled by a configuration change in 1% of the installation is _stupid_
10:13 < aestetix> "I think it is a user config, so it does not make sense to have it in /etc/shadow"
10:14 <@Dagmar> Just _that_ statement shows that he is not qualified to be making those decisions
10:14 < aestetix> And he has this dream of having your user account be 100% portable between systems
10:14 <@Dagmar> That is just fucking stupid
10:14 < aestetix> So you could copy your /home/name directory onto a flash drive, copy it onto another computer, and have it all just work
10:14 <@Dagmar> You can already do that
10:15 < aestetix> How do you log in if you don't have an entry in /etc/passwd?
10:15 <@Dagmar> It's almost trivial to make that happen almost anywhere that it's actually supposed to happen
10:15 <@Dagmar> If no one granted you access to the fucking machine, fuck you and fuck your home directory.
10:16 < aestetix> See, Lennart considers this a problem
10:16 <@Dagmar> THat's because he doesn't actually understand the mechanisms he's fucking with
10:17 < aestetix> man who needs coffee in the morning when you have Dagmar
10:17 <@Dagmar> But seriously... fucking access-granting secrets
10:17 < aestetix> Dagmar: when the plague is over, you should challenge Lennart to a debate at CCC
10:18 <@Dagmar> How the flaming hell is that supposed to be a _user_ thing
10:18 < aestetix> that would be fucking hilarious, and epic
10:18 < aestetix> Although I think he lives in the bay area
10:18 <@Dagmar> In what mad place is user authentication something that's supposed to be up to fucking USERS
10:19 <@Dagmar> Didn't we spend the goddamn 90's abusing that very concept?  Taking over systems completely by abusing a single user account?
10:19 <@Dagmar> What the hell does he think is supposed to happen?  The system is supposed to ask the user if they're allowed to be here?
10:21 <@Dagmar> If he wants to try his hand at writing something like "a simplified kerberos" and do user certicates, he's just going to be writing 0days
10:21 <@Dagmar> That shit is _really_ kept as simple as possible for good goddamn reason, and they are *not* good enough coders to get that right
10:24 <@Dagmar> "Problems: Needs writeable /etc"
10:24 <@Dagmar> Can I get around of "No shit, sherlock"
10:24 <@Dagmar> s/around/a round/
10:25 <@opticron> apparently he intends to solve the machine access grant with signing
10:26 <@opticron> at which point he kind of defeats his own solution
10:28 <@Dagmar> A cert-based infrastructure is not about to make this any simpler, and it _vastly_ increases the size of the code surface
12:14 <@Dagmar> @#$$#@$ fontawesome
12:20 <@Evilpig> ^&@$#%^@ lunch makin' me want a nap
14:32 <@Mirage> wtf... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-inauguration-day-rally
14:32 < PigBot> Trump plans to outshine Biden on Inauguration Day with opposing rally: report | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com) https://tinyurl.com/yxsbqzt8
14:33 <@Mirage> Trump really has lost all touch with reality
14:41 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: this is a first.  I just got an email about a movie screening
14:41 <@Evilpig> Everyone will receive a $50 Visa Digital Prepaid Card if seated at this screening, sent via email within (3) business days of the event.
14:42 <@Dolemite> Risk your life, get $50!
14:42 <@Dolemite> Are any theaters even open in Nashville right now?
14:42 <@Evilpig> Mirage: ash and i were talking about that last night.  I'm not one for advocating violence but fuck.  dude needs to be locked away 
14:42 <@Dolemite> We only have Regal and AMC up here, so they're all closed
14:42 <@Evilpig> apparently two for this
14:42 <@Evilpig> AMC DINE-IN Thoroughbred 20
14:42 <@Evilpig> 633 Frazier Dr.
14:42 <@Evilpig> Franklin, TN 37067
14:42 <@Evilpig> err one
14:44 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to home from home
14:44 <@Mirage> Dolemite: drive safe.  =P
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21:54 <@Dagmar> Mirage: It is for those and many more reasons that I am going to have to probably put a lock on my belt while watching him go through the indictment and trial for reckless endangerment
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