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06:43 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:47  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:01 < aestetix> ok hoenst question
07:01 < aestetix> why am I in the majority for thinking we should wait until all the votes have been counted to declare a winner?
07:01 < aestetix> er, minority
07:01 < aestetix> my own absentee ballot hasn't even been counted yet. I just got a note two days ago that it was recieved
07:02 < aestetix> Seems odd that the media is rushing to declare victory. I'm happy to do that once it is clear.
07:19 <@opticron> at a certain point, there aren't enough votes remaining to be counted to possibly overcome the existing lead
07:20 < dasunt> Are you telling me that Kanye does not have a chance?
07:20 <@eryc> math is hard, lets go shopping
07:21 <@eryc> https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/jqpp15/giuliani_announces_new_lawsuit_at_the_ritz/
07:21 < PigBot> Giuliani Announces New Lawsuit at the Ritz : PoliticalHumor (at www.reddit.com) https://tinyurl.com/y5y9pdjg
07:22 <@Dolemite> That presser at the landscaping company was bonkers
07:24 < aestetix> opticron: yeah sure, but still
07:25 < aestetix> dasunt: I wanted to vote for Kanye, but he wasn't on my ballot
07:26 < aestetix> opticron: you'd think that they would make sure all the votes are counted to ensure that trump supporters would not be able to complain
07:27 < aestetix> I just hope that trump being gone makes antifa go away
07:31 <@Dolemite> Find me on Parler at @lolrightimnotaracisttroll
07:32 <@Dolemite> I've seen SO MANY folks posting their username for their new preferred echo chamber
07:33 < aestetix> what is Parler
07:34 <@eryc> i think thats the browser p2p social network for nazis
07:34 <@Dolemite> Parler is a "free speech" focused social media alternative to Twitter.   It was immediately invaded by far right neo nazis and other anti-semitists.
07:34 < aestetix> oh is it like gab?
07:34 < aestetix> I joined gab and stopped using it after like a day because of all the antisemitic shit
07:34 <@Dolemite> I guess?   Haven't heard anybody saying they were heading to gab.
07:34 < aestetix> and other stuff
07:34 < aestetix> gab is like the social network of voat
07:34 <@Dolemite> MeWe is the "Facebook-ish" version of Parler
07:35 < aestetix> which..... honestly, read the voat.co home page for ten minutes and tell me it's not neo nazis
07:35 <@Dolemite> But hey, works for me.   If they leave Facebook it saves me the trouble of unfriending them.
07:36 < aestetix> I am a huge fan of free speech. I am not a fan of photos of hitler and holocaust denial
07:36 -!- Dolemite changed the topic of #se2600 to: Welcome to #se2600, Social Distancing Champions since 1992.
07:36 < aestetix> And other stuff
07:36 <@eryc> the parler page i'm pretty sure adds you as a p2p node if you visit their website
07:36 <@eryc> thus i won't visit any of these sites
07:37 < aestetix> Dolemite: can you ignore people on facebook without it notifying them?
07:37 <@eryc> either that or it mines cryptocoins
07:38 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Yes, you can unfollow them.
07:38 < aestetix> won't they notice that?
07:38 <@Dolemite> That way they still see that you're a friend connection, but you get no notifications of their activities
07:38 <@Dolemite> However, if they comment on a mutual friend's thread, you'll still see their comments
07:39 < aestetix> oh so unfriend != unfollow
07:39 <@Dolemite> Correct
07:39 <@Dolemite> You can mute someone for 30 days at a time, as well
07:39 < aestetix> so if you have someone "friended" who says lots of racist stuff, you can unfollow them
07:39 <@Dolemite> Correct
07:39 < aestetix> that must be the only way to make that bearable
07:39 <@eryc> why not just unfriend them
07:40 <@Dolemite> Or, as I'm sure I've been done to multiple times, you can unfollow a friend that posts memes about how much of a turd Donald Trump is
07:40 < aestetix> because they will notice that and make your life hell
07:40 <@eryc> das kompromat?
07:41 <@Dolemite> I think I've only done a temporary mute on someone that was posting multiple times per day about the vacation they were on, while I sat in a cubicle at work
07:42 <@Dolemite> I value diversity of opinion, though most of what I've seen politically is a link to some Russian disinformation network like OAN and people considering it God's honest truth.
07:43 <@Dolemite> So I wonder if Biden will go back and delete a bunch of the tweets on @POTUS after he takes over it in January?
07:44 <@Dolemite> @realDonaldTrump will no longer get special treatment from Twitter on January 20.   I give it less than 24 hours before he gets banned.
07:44 < aestetix> is he legally allowed to do that?
07:44 <@eryc> are obama's tweets still up?
07:44 <@Evilpig> aestetix: tweets from his own account he is
07:44 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I was wondering if it was possible.
07:44 <@eryc> yea people can delete tweets
07:44 < aestetix> I mean tweets on his @potus
07:44 <@eryc> its not illegal
07:44 < aestetix> eryc: but it's official government record
07:44 < aestetix> everything trump does as president must be recorded/saved
07:45 <@Evilpig> like Dolemite said, trump's account is likely to be only viewable from the waybackmachine after he's out of office
07:45 < aestetix> .... unfortunately
07:45 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Yeah, but I wonder if the record that the LoC has is sufficient
07:45 <@eryc> thats not really true
07:45 <@Dolemite> Nobody until Trump used Twitter as official statements, really
07:45 <@Dolemite> At least in terms of policy
07:46 <@Dolemite> Plus a lot of what was tweeted was outright false
07:46 < aestetix> that will be really funny if trump's twitter account gets suspended on jan 20th
07:46 <@eryc> the only argument thats been tried is that they can't block people
07:46 <@eryc> there's no law that you can't delete tweets
07:46 < aestetix> although I think twitter will (and should) get hauled in front of congress over their censoring of trump's tweets right now
07:47 < aestetix> as much as I do not like trump, he is the president, and I do not want some leftist sjw at twitter determining if I can see what trump says
07:50 <@Dolemite> So do you agree or disagree with the news channels that cut off his broadcast last week once it turned into a temper tantrum?
07:51 < aestetix> I disagree with that.
07:52 <@Dolemite> Within a few minutes it devolved into a campaign ad rather than anything newsworthy.
07:52 < aestetix> although that's a bit different
07:52 <@Dolemite> Isn't a news channel allowed to determine what is newsworthy enough to put on the air?
07:52 < aestetix> because the news channel is tuning into him. rather than him using a news channel on a platform
07:52 < aestetix> ok yeah good point. and plus, the news channels don't cover everything he does
07:53 <@Dolemite> Correct
07:53 <@Dolemite> So once it turned into temper tantrum and misinformation, they cut away.
07:53 < aestetix> I think it would be more similar to say.... if the news media stepped in and turned off his mic while he was ranting
07:53 < aestetix> I think we would all say that is going too far
07:53 <@opticron> aestetix, I have yet to see where trump's tweets were censored. as far as I was aware, twitter just attached disclaimers to the egregiously incorrect ones
07:54 < aestetix> opticron: they covered the tweets with a warning and you had to click on them to see them
07:54 <@opticron> hmm, I don't follow trump, so I didn't notice that
07:54 < aestetix> Maybe censored isn't the right word. It's the equivalent of putting a billboard right in front of another billboard
07:54 < aestetix> and totally blocking it off
07:55 < aestetix> I don't have a twitter account. I just looked at his timeline and saw it
07:55 <@Dolemite> More like putting a warning label on a pack of cigarettes
07:55 <@opticron> yeah, censored isn't the correct word for it, but I get what you're saying
07:55 <@opticron> it was still there and accessible but with a higher burden of access which wasn't going to stop most people anyway
07:55 < aestetix> Dolemite: I don't agree with that. It would be stronger than that, but a bit weaker than passing an age restriction law on the cigarettes
07:55 < aestetix> opticron: right
07:56 < aestetix> and it also killed the retweet effect
07:56 <@Dolemite> You aren't supposed to buy cigarettes for others
07:56 < aestetix> It would be like.... I don't know, stacking a magazine in front of another magazine on a shelf so nobody can see the magazine behind it
07:58 <@eryc> keep trying
07:58 <@Dolemite> Well, funny thing is, conservatives are leaving Twitter for Parler because they view it as too liberal.   I don't use Twitter because I view it as nothing but a home for the conservative trolls under the bridge.
08:01 < aestetix> opticron: maybe there is a better word for censorship. I am sick of leftists saying it is only something the government does.
08:01 < aestetix> And then using that as a reason to justify deplatforming and so on
08:02 <@Dolemite> But those are BUSINESSES.   They have the right to tell anybody they want to fuck off.
08:02 < aestetix> oh I am speaking more generally
08:02 <@Dolemite> That's what is so ironic.   Conservatives want the government to stay out of businesses - except the ones that tell them to behave.
08:03 < aestetix> I am speaking of like.... an angry mob getting a speaker at a local event deplatformed, and then claiming they aren't censoring him because only the government censors
08:04 < aestetix> Dolemite: I would agree with you if twitter had been consistent with how they applied their policies. Remmeber that for years they gave Trump carte blanche because he is a public official
08:04 < aestetix> And now suddenly they change it up
08:05 < aestetix> Keep in mind, I am saying this as someone without a twitter account. :)
08:05 <@Dolemite> So policies aren't allowed to change?
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08:06 < aestetix> Well that goes into their lack of transparency in general
08:06 <@Dolemite> But they announced what they would be doing before they did it
08:06 < aestetix> oh they did?
08:06 < aestetix> I missed that
08:07 <@Dolemite> Yeah, even I knew that, and I give zero fucks about Twitter
08:07 < aestetix> When did they make the announcement?
08:07 < aestetix> AFAIK this shit has only been going on for a week or so
08:07 <@Dolemite> months ago
08:07 <@Dolemite> No, it's been the case for a while
08:07 < aestetix> with trump specifically?
08:08 <@Dolemite> I believe during a prior (not the most recent) call from Congress for the social media CEOs to come talk to them
08:08 <@Dolemite> https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-our-approach-to-misleading-information.html
08:08 < PigBot> Updating our approach to misleading information (at blog.twitter.com) https://tinyurl.com/y8ehrfye
08:08 <@Dolemite> May 11
08:09 < aestetix> ok. So I guess the question is, did they start enforcing this on trump more recently than that
08:09 < aestetix> because I am sure he's said misleading stuff for months
08:09 <@Dolemite> https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/An-update-on-our-continuity-strategy-during-COVID-19.html
08:09 < PigBot> An update on our continuity strategy during COVID-19 (at blog.twitter.com) https://tinyurl.com/qsjd2w6
08:09 < aestetix> ohhhh right that was for the COVID stuff
08:09 <@Dolemite> April 1 they specifically mention world leaders
08:10 <@eryc> if trump posts hardcore gay porn should twitter put a banner over top it?
08:11 <@Dolemite> "Pubic Interest"
08:11 <@Dolemite> er, I mean, Public ;)
08:12 < aestetix> It's tricky. On the one hand, they are a private corporation. On the other hand, people *see* them as a public square. On the other hand, they can impose their own policies. But those policies are informed by experts they select.
08:12 <@Dolemite> I view them more like the food court at a big shopping mall
08:12 < aestetix> They aren't a newspaper because they don't have liability for what gets posted. But they aren't a public suqare because they can remove certain things.
08:13 < aestetix> Dolemite: but even that is different because I would assume the shops in a mall are approved by the mall owner
08:13 <@eryc> ...
08:13 < aestetix> Or whoever it is that the mall store signs a lease with
08:14 <@Dolemite> They establish the requirements ahead of time for you to hold a lease, and with each renewal those rules can change
08:14 <@Dolemite> Much like at a mall
08:14 <@Dolemite> er, much like on Twitter
08:14 <@Dolemite> or Facebook
08:14 <@Dolemite> or Parler
08:14 <@Dolemite> or MeWe
08:14 < aestetix> what is mewe
08:14 < aestetix> I think one big issue is that in the US there aren't many public spaces left
08:14 <@Dolemite> It's the conservative alternative to FB
08:15 < aestetix> Even Occupy NYC was on private property
08:15 <@Dolemite> But nobody is saying "You can't say that"
08:15 <@Dolemite> They are simply saying, "This is my house and you can't say that here"
08:15 <@Dolemite> You are welcome to setup your own website and say what you want.   You are welcome to stand on the sidewalk and say what you want.
08:15 <@eryc> i think more p2p alternatives are a good thing
08:16 <@eryc> like that one app they use in hong kong that spreads via bluetooth
08:18 < aestetix> Dolemite: also, I hope you understand.... I was saying I disagreed with how twitter has handled things, not that I thought they couldn't do it
08:18 <@Dolemite> Ok, but I still don't agree with you that they handled it horribly.   I think they were a bit late with the warning tags, to be honest.
08:18 <@eryc> twitter started with like 3 dell servers, start your own twitter
08:19 <@Dolemite> But they did announce before doing it that they would be doing it.
08:19 < aestetix> I think twitter handles everything horribly. I think they need to be put out of existence.
08:19 <@Dolemite> The reason why Trump wasn't already using Parler is because it doesn't have the hundreds of millions of users
08:19 <@eryc> jack dorsey is kind of a douche
08:19 < aestetix> Along with facebook
08:19 <@Dolemite> And all those fake follower accounts were expensive for him to setup in the first place
08:20 <@Dolemite> Yes, Dorsey is very douchey
08:20 < aestetix> ok let me put it this way
08:20 <@Dolemite> Zuckerberg is more like a tampon string
08:20 < aestetix> If twitter had put messages *under* the tweets, or around them, and not blocked the text, I would have no issue
08:20 < aestetix> It's the fact that they *blocked* the text where I draw a line
08:20 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Because it's easier for you to ignore.   Got it. ;)
08:21 <@Dolemite> That was the whole point.
08:21 < aestetix> well it conveys the issue at hand without creating a new issue
08:21 < aestetix> lol
08:21 <@Dolemite> well, difference of opinion
08:22 < aestetix> fair enough
08:22  * aestetix deplatforms Dolemite and calls him a nazi
08:22 < aestetix> which is an odd thing to do to someone I just voted for
08:22 <@eryc> is it legal to use that word in germany
08:23 < aestetix> eryc: well I'm using a screen session on a server in the US
08:23 < aestetix> so I'm in the clear
08:23 <@eryc> mhmm
08:24 < aestetix> nazi is ok to say. heil hitler is not
08:26 <@eryc> is that censorship?
08:26 < aestetix> oh man
08:26 < aestetix> I just got to do a it support task for the office hottie
08:27 < aestetix> I especially love the german women who have a thick accent and stumble over their english
08:35 <@Dolemite> As you imagine her stumbling over something and falling into your lap?
08:37 < aestetix> you know it
08:37 <@Evilpig> Dolemite is a german woman with a thick accent?
08:38 <@Dolemite> Nein!
08:38 < aestetix> And into some rather nasty sex positions
08:38 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Do you belong to the village sex dungeon club?
08:38 < aestetix> oh you mean the grocery store
08:39 <@Dolemite> Or do you just get a guest pass whenever Shadow404 comes to town?
08:39 < aestetix> I hate when he comes. They have to ration all the iron so they can make enough anal hooks for him
08:40 < aestetix> When they say he is well hung, it's not what you think
08:46 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, more Marvel Universe shenannigans.   Clark Gregg was in an episode of Young Indiana Jones.
08:50 <@oddball> I need to rewatch that series.
08:50 <@Dolemite> I recently acquired the whole series on my Plex
08:51 <@Dolemite> The ones where they'd stitched together the related smaller episodes into mini-movies
09:13 <@oddball> I even have the complete series on DVD!
09:13 <@Evilpig> next you're gonna say that you have all of brisco county jr on dvd too
09:13 <@Dolemite> DEE VEE DEE?
09:14 <@Dolemite> Isn't that what they used back in the old days?
09:14 <@oddball> I... do
09:14 <@Evilpig> I did.  but I sold all my dvd's when I moved from jersey
09:14 <@Dolemite> Now there's a series I haven't heard of in ages.   Wouldn't mind watching some Brisco
09:14 <@Dolemite> Yeah, McKay's has most of my DVD collection
09:16 <@oddball> I know, we're weirdos that still like having physical copies.
09:16 <@oddball> Of course, most of them just sit on the shelf, and we watch a copy on Plex or streaming, but...
09:59 <@eryc> https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
09:59 < PigBot> Spurious Correlations (at www.tylervigen.com)
10:40 <@Dolemite> Okay, then.   Apparently Indiana Jones' mother died of influenza during the pandemic of the 1920s.
10:41 <@Dolemite> And I'm watching an episode around the invention of a battery that will revolutionize electric cars.   And Edison is being portrayed as the crook taking credit for his scientists' work.
10:41 <@Dolemite> Talk about some wacky prescience
10:45 <@Dolemite> Actually I guess it was in the 1910s
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15:55 <@eryc> https://twitter.com/blakecrouch1/status/1325822352781815810
15:55 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e28o
16:23 <@_NSAKEY> Isn't this the same guy who claimed he had used the wind of god to banish coronavirus?
16:27 <@eryc> probably
16:29 <@_NSAKEY> Yup. It was the same prosperity gospel ghoul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2s0nB2VPvs
16:29 < PigBot> Ken Copeland's Wind Of God REMIX - WTFBRAHH - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) https://tinyurl.com/r6xe7rd
16:36 <@eryc> nice
17:39 <@Dagmar> What a freakin' delusional muppet
17:47 <@_NSAKEY> He most likely has full awareness, and hams up the crazy for the delusional muppets in the audience.
18:02 < xray> An Early Hacker Used a Cereal Box Whistle to Take Over Phone Lines
18:02 < xray> The cereal box toy whistle inspired the development of a device that would seriously inspire Apple founders.
18:02 < xray> https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a20762221/an-early-hacker-used-a-cereal-box-whistle-to-take-over-phone-lines/
18:02 < PigBot> Cereal Box Whistle Hacking | How Did Apple Start? (at www.popularmechanics.com) https://tinyurl.com/tu6td8b
18:07 <@eryc> https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1325811083492401152?s=20
18:07 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) https://tinyurl.com/y6hdcvfq
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