--- Log opened Mon Oct 05 00:00:41 2020
05:58 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
05:59 <@Dolemite> As early voting begins in many states, I want to remind you all, that a vote for the Dolemite/dc0de ticket is a vote to go fuck yourself.
05:59 <@Dolemite> I'm Dolemite, and I approve this message.
06:00  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:00 <@aestetix> oh nice, that sound like a great voting choice
06:00 <@aestetix> Dolemite: what will you do if elected?
06:54 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Tell you to go fuck yourself
06:55 <@Dolemite> aestetix: That's the libertarian choice.   If I were leftist, I'd tell you all to go fuck each other.   If I were right wing, I'd tell you to fuck your neighbor.
07:00 <@Dolemite> Speaking of fucking over, I've been watching the new HBO DocuSeries "The Vow", which is about the NXIVM cult and the subgroup called DOS that Allison Mack was sex trafficing for.
07:00 <@aestetix> what is NXIVM?
07:00 <@Dolemite> It started out as a decent idea.   NXIVM was a self-help company that focused on human performance.
07:02 <@Dolemite> One of the co-founders and who was in most of the training videos was a long-time therapist who seemed to know a lot about the psyche.
07:02 <@Dolemite> The other co-founder, though, was an extremely smart but manipulative guy that turned it into a pyramid scheme and then turned towards cult.
07:04 <@Dolemite> Several film/tv folks were in it at one time.
07:14 <@Dolemite> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NXIVM
07:14 < PigBot> NXIVM - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/y53buyk3
08:06 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I've got to get my ballot filled out and in the box today
08:08 <@Dolemite> I'm going to early vote at the town hall
08:08 <@Dolemite> It's typically not too crowded there.   Last time I got in and out in less than 10 minutes.
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10:16 < strages> morning
10:16  * Dolemite looks at the clock
10:16 <@Dolemite> I'll allow it
10:26 < strages> I can tell time
10:49 <@dasunt> ServiceNow is a service I would not choose to use.
10:58 <@Dolemite> I certainly have no choice in my use of it
10:59 <@Dolemite> I love how management justifies moving to Cloud Services to avoid vendor lockin, but then provisions everything through ServiceNow
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11:42 <@eryc> i haven't used servicenow but it seems pretty cool to me
11:43 <@eryc> you can tie it into automation easily
11:43 <@Dolemite> If it's that easy then why are there so many shitty integrations of it?
11:44 <@Dolemite> I'd say the SALES PITCH is on easy integration, but reality doesn't match the demo.
11:45 <@eryc> https://www.ansible.com/blog/ansible-servicenow-opening-and-closing-tickets
11:45 < PigBot> Ansible + ServiceNow Part 1: Opening and Closing Tickets (at www.ansible.com) http://tinyurl.com/y3aprze8
11:45 <@eryc> looks pretty easy
11:45 <@Dolemite> I tried to add in an automation script with our ServiceNow instance where you called a webhook and it needed to take different actions based upon the response.   I was told that wasn't possible.
11:45 <@Dolemite> Yeah, that's the one thing ours does all day long - opening and closing of tickets
11:45 <@Dolemite> I'm talking about actual work automation
11:46 <@eryc> like this?
11:46 <@eryc> https://www.ansible.com/blog/ansible-servicenow-howto-part-3-making-outbound-restful-api-calls-to-ansible-tower
11:46 < PigBot> Ansible + ServiceNow Part 3: Making outbound RESTful API calls to Red Hat Ansible Tower (at www.ansible.com) http://tinyurl.com/y3x7rg6d
11:47 <@Dolemite> From a quick glance, that looks to match what I was told.    You can trigger an external event, but that example doesn't show taking the result of that event and making a decision based upon it.
11:49 <@eryc> is there a better solution?
11:49 <@eryc> perhaps you prefer Remedy?
11:51 <@Dolemite> I don't know if there's a better solution, because of the dual threat of (a) me not really giving a shit about that because I simply have to use what I'm told to use and (b) not having worked with a large variety of workflow systems.
11:51 <@Dolemite> But I do know that Remedy is not the answer, no matter the question.
11:51 <@eryc> i suppose many people use this https://airflow.apache.org/
11:51 < PigBot> Apache Airflow (at airflow.apache.org) http://tinyurl.com/yb5oqr3r
12:18 <@eryc> https://twitter.com/tokyosexwhale/status/1312712515281989633
12:18 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/y2eus22q
12:20 <@Dolemite> LOL
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14:07 <@dasunt> Dolemite: Does your ServiceNow lag horribly for no reason a lot of the time?
14:14 <@Dolemite> dasunt: You mean, like all of the time?
14:19 <@dasunt> Yes.
14:19 <@dasunt> And it takes forever.
14:19 <@Dolemite> A lot of that has to do with how much is offloaded to your middleware server
14:19 <@Dolemite> Though they don't like to call them middleware
14:19 <@dasunt> *changes category*  *waits 20 seconds for the subcategory to update*  *waits some more*
14:19 <@Dolemite> They call them "MidP" servers
14:19 <@dasunt> It's gawdamn lazy coding IMO.
14:22 <@Dolemite> And for some reason the way ours is setup, all automation scripting runs in SCORCH, which is some form of virtualized Windows server environment for PowerShell.
14:23 <@Dolemite> SCORCH == System Center ORCHestrator
14:25 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to call it a day
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18:37 <@eryc> new uncle roger
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