--- Log opened Wed Aug 26 00:00:25 2020
06:03 <@Dolemite> be0tches and h0ez of the mr0ning, I greet thee!
06:07  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:41 <@Mirage> Dagmar: wasn't my prediction.
06:49 <@Mirage> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/26/opinion/trump-melania-rnc.html
06:49 < PigBot> Opinion | The Epic Shamelessness of the Republican Convention - The New York Times (at www.nytimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/yxf3ywaj
06:50 <@Mirage> Sums is up pretty well: "And they are scaring me, because they are demonstrating Trump’s most formidable advantage over Joe Biden, which isn’t incumbency. It’s shamelessness.
06:50 <@Mirage> He and his loyalists will claim whatever they think they can get away with claiming. They will flout whichever rules don’t suit them. They will stage any stunt."
06:55 <@Mirage> Anyone watch the John Oliver episode about the Border Wall last week?
07:43 <@Evilpig> yup
07:44 <@Evilpig> wasn't bad.  had a few points I hadn't heard before
07:45 <@Mirage> Yeah, like how the one contractor doing it was picked along with all the legal/ethics issues associated with them, which really make them a perfect fit for someone to be working on his pet project...all things considered.
07:57 <@Evilpig> that didn't shock me, I completely expected that.
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07:58 <@Evilpig> I was more surprised at the realization that the majority of the wall that they've built is where there is already existing wall and they've only constructed maybe 5 miles worth of new wall
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07:59 <@Evilpig> the allegations of corruption and shoddy construction were completely expected
08:01 <@Mirage> Yeah, that was the other tasty nugget....especially when Trump repeatedly states that it's all new, not replacement.  Of course what examples they showed were barriers, but not exactly walls, so taken verbatum that he wasn't having existing walls replaced is true.
08:04 <@Evilpig> the other bits about doing work to put in walls where there were exsiting natural barriers that would end up costing more to maintain was also not a surprise. :-/  john oliver is really kind of depressing at times
08:05 <@Mirage> IMO a much better solution would have been to enact much stricter penalties for businesses caught employing illegals, denying publicly funded services (like schools) to children of illegals, and (most controvertially) no longer granting automatic US Citizenship to babies of illegals.  If you take away the motivation for coming into the country illegally then the problem either goes away or becomes much less of a problem.
08:06 <@Evilpig> I defer to the side of how much of an issue is the immigration really?
08:07 <@Mirage> Anyone w/ any common sense will tell you that the wall has nothing to do with keeping out drugs.  We all know the lengths that drug smugglers can/will go to to get their product in.
08:09 <@Mirage> Regardless of how many of them there are, I think that changing policies would have more impact and certainly be cheaper than building a wall that will never accomplish the intended purpose.
08:14 <@Mirage> On a sep note...wtf is up with this sketchy as hell looking shit?
08:14 <@Mirage> https://texoma.craigslist.org/bfs/d/nursery-classic-1945-chevy-bus-for-sale/7177182275.html
08:14 < PigBot> Classic 1945 Chevy bus for sale. After forty-six years of caring for... (at texoma.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/y2rloqvd
08:14 <@Mirage> https://texoma.craigslist.org/for/d/nursery-changed-the-stereo-with-an-aux/7182124461.html
08:14 < PigBot> Changed the stereo with an aux stereo. Any questions just message me... (at texoma.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/y4a3bvf6
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08:29 <@Evilpig> hiding in plain sight?
08:29 <@Evilpig> hide your real ad where the bots aren't scanning?
08:34 <@Mirage> On the Maine one you can see "Bogus" under "Driver"
08:35 <@dc0de> link?
08:35 <@Dolemite> Mirage:   I agree with punishing employers and not granting birth to those who are not in the country legally, but then it really starts to get hairy.   The immigration process has been broken for decades, so the ability to actually do things "the right way" is setup to favor the haves and disfavor the have-nots.   Also, kids don't have much choice in where they are if their parents brought them in
08:35 <@Mirage> https://texoma.craigslist.org/bfs/d/nursery-classic-1945-chevy-bus-for-sale/7177182275.html
08:35 < PigBot> Classic 1945 Chevy bus for sale. After forty-six years of caring for... (at texoma.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/y2rloqvd
08:35 <@Dolemite> illegally.
08:35 <@Dolemite> Er, not granting birth citizenship when the parents are in the country illegally
08:37 <@Mirage> Dolemite: You can't tell me that at least in some cases the entire reason that a couple, or at least a pregnant woman, would want to come into the states to give birth is for the automatic citizenship for their child and benefits afforded to the now US citizen shildren.
08:39 <@Dolemite> Mirage: I agree.   But I'm saying that if she's in illegally, you don't grant the child citizenship.   If she's in legally, you do.
08:39 <@Mirage> Dolemite: That's what I said.
08:39 <@Dolemite> But as far as denying a child the ability to go to school, it's not their fault.
08:39 <@Dolemite> So I agree on points 1 and 3, but not 2.
08:43 <@Mirage> Dolemite: #2 is a motivator...presumably better schools, etc available.  Immigration is certainly broken and should be fixed, but there should be more benefit to being here legally vs illegally.  As a parent you know full well that children are a huge motivator for most parents.
08:44 <@Mirage> The Republicans and Trump administration certainly know children are a huge motivator...hence baseless claims of Biden being a pedo and the Clinton's and others being child sex traffickers
08:51 <@Dolemite> Mirage: But denying children any services is 100% punishing the child, not the parent.   That's why you have to do the other things.
08:52 <@Dolemite> But really the whole thing would be a domino effect
08:52 <@Mirage> Yeah.
08:53 <@Mirage> Regardless, the point is that there are much better ways to accomplish the intended effect, which for Trump and the Republicans is to "keep out the dirty Mexicans"
08:54 <@Dolemite> Yet their businesses depend on them.   Trump himself has been caught hiring undocumented workers many times.
08:56 <@Dolemite> Also there's validity in the question - if "illegals" are such freeloaders, why does ICE always raid businesses?
08:57 <@Dolemite> They're paying payroll taxes, just not under a valid SSN.   If the SSN belonged to a dead person, the benefactor of that whole transaction is the US Treasury.
08:58 <@Mirage> Because the illegals are stealing american jobs...which equates to employers and employees not paying in the wage taxes, etc associated with them being legal workers
08:58 <@Dolemite> They're not stealing jobs, they're cleaning up the shit jobs that nobody else wants.
08:59 <@Mirage> No, no...you can't bring logic into the discussion.  So what if 99.9999% of americans would prefer to get welfare vs working a menial job.
08:59 <@Mirage> =)
09:00 <@Dolemite> Oh, and here's some fucked up Trumpism logic for you regarding Trump's executive order on more unemployment relief...
09:01 <@Dolemite> My wife has reduced hours because of the pandemic.   Under the EXECUTIVE ORDER, the $300/week unemployment bonus is only available if your benefit from the state is at least $100/week.
09:01 <@Dolemite> If you work a little, your benefit is reduced
09:01 <@Mirage> Lemme guess, once you actually read what the order does vs what it was advertised to do, it's either unenforceable or will very quickly be struck down by the courts
09:01 <@Dolemite> So basically the only people getting the extra $300/week are the ones that DON'T WORK
09:02 <@Mirage> No shocker there.
09:02 <@Dolemite> Pamela could work 5 less hours per week and make $300 more
09:02 <@Dolemite> Because that 5 hours at $15/hour sure is worth a lot less than the benefit would be
09:02 <@dc0de> yeah, except for those of us who are currently unemployed, and renting, $593/week doesn't keep the lights on.
09:03 <@Mirage> A good number of the executive orders he's enacted are completely fucked up and will never do what they claim once you actually read the damned thing
09:03 <@dc0de> Mirage: you can say that about 99% of the legislation that the house and senate passed in the last 20 years.
09:03 <@Dolemite> dc0de: I'm not saying that you shouldn't get it.   I'm saying it's hypocritical after all the right wing talk about how the orginal CARES act screwed up by disincentivizing people to work.   Then they champion an executive order that does just that.
09:04 <@Mirage> But most of his supporters or the ones he's trying to win over for re-election votes don't give a shit about reality, just about the perceived reality he sells
09:04 <@dc0de> ahh, well, it's the same/same IMHO.
09:04 <@dc0de> Well, we're Modern day Russia.  The Illusion of Choice.
09:04 <@dc0de> party politics has reduced us to Dem/Rep Lib/Con, etc...
09:05 <@dc0de> there is no middle ground.
09:05 <@dc0de> it's fucked.
09:05 <@dc0de> and the popular vote is just as fucked
09:05 <@Dolemite> In Mother Russia, you don't fuck employer.   Employer fucks you.
09:05 <@Dolemite> Wait, that happens here, too ;)
09:06 <@Dolemite> Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime.  That's why I poop on company time!
09:06 <@dc0de> Dolemite: exactly... it's why I want to be a boss
09:07 <@Dolemite> dc0de: Well just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and do it!   That's all it takes, according to many folks who've never had to try to do such a thing.
09:07 <@Dolemite> But they saw this person speak at their church, right before they gave a "love offering"
09:08 <@dc0de> Of course.. let me go purchase some boots with straps!  BRB!
09:08 <@dc0de> I'm ordained, I should start a church
09:08 <@dc0de> that's the best racket
09:08 <@Mirage> Didn't NL or someone have a similar model to this at PN5?  https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/ele/d/anna-vintage-philips-computer-model-ppc/7184392482.html
09:08 < PigBot> Vintage Philips computer model ppc-21 keyboard monitor - electronics... (at dallas.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/y37aq5fe
09:26 <@Mirage> dc0de: the difference being that laws passed by congress go through a voting process, executive orders don't.  Trump can enact as many executive orders as he wants and sell them however he thinks people will buy them.  Some of them may actually do some good, but I seriously doubt that is his intended goal. Like his cheaper drugs orders...he touts it as "I did it, It's done.", but the reality is completely different.
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10:06 <@Evilpig> the unemployment stuff was fukt for sure.  you have a perfect example with the notkids where they were working before this mess started and were working less than 10 hours a week, by choice, and then got laid off and were instantly making $600+ per week where before they were actually making less than $100.  there was no reason for them to seek work
10:06 <@Evilpig> I don't think they are the exception to the rule either.  that situation was/is likely commonplace
10:08 <@Mirage> Evilpig: agreed
10:09 <@Mirage> I think we wound up getting $34 or something like that from the stimulus pkg....we certainly didn't need/want it
10:10 <@LastChild> We have a family friend that got laid off from Opryland and is making more now in unemployment.  So he's been applying for jobs that he's not qualified for so he can sit at home.  Want to punch him in the face till my arm gets tired, but Christy says I have to be nice.
10:11 <@Mirage> That whole stimulus pkg thing was a mostly dumb idea in the first place because that was more like trickle-up economics.  The intention was to stimulate spending to help keep the economy going.  I'm sure a good number of ppl who got it used it for rent/bills and not for buying things from stores besides essentials
10:13 <@Mirage> LastChild: that's been the status quo for my friend Jon's brother-in-law.  He gets a job, gets hurt, gets paid, draws unemployment, milks unemployment for as long as he can or until the settlement money runs out, then starts all over again.
10:14 <@Mirage> A real-life Frank Galagher w/ respect to work
10:15 <@LastChild> Yeah this guy isn't that bad, but he's not real motivated to find anything either as long as he's handed our tax money.
10:16 <@LastChild> Fucking Trumper figure that
10:16 <@Mirage> Of course
10:16 <@Mirage> Goes w/o saying.
10:18 <@Mirage> Wow... https://www.thedailybeast.com/registered-foreign-agent-pam-bondi-says-biden-is-corrupt
10:18 < PigBot> Registered Foreign Agent Pam Bondi Says Biden Is Corrupt (at www.thedailybeast.com) http://tinyurl.com/y28qlsgb
10:19 <@Mirage> OK, so WHY was she speaking at the RNC if she's a lobbyist for a foreign gov't AND implicated in a coruption scandal by the current administration??!?!?!
10:35 < aestetix> they run a hit piece on biden..... so trump can win?
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11:13 <@Mirage> I wonder if at some point before Nov news will come out that if you play some Beatles or Pink Floyd album backward it says "Biden is the devil"
11:55 <@dc0de> Mirage: I understand... Executive Orders have been used liberally since Obama....
11:57 <@Mirage> dc0de: A bonus of nonsensical Executive Orders vs actual congressional laws is that the succeeding president can cancel them w/o all the red tape.
11:58 <@Mirage> So for passing stupid shit, that's definitely the way I'd prefer.
12:02 <@Mirage> One thing that I wish is that people who buy into the propaganda about "the Democrats will take your guns" is that they realize that because the right to bear arms is in the constitution, it'll take another amendment to roll that back...which I don't see ever passing through congress and then being approved by the states.  That whole argument is just hot air.  Also, though not widely reported on (no shocker there), the high capacity mag law in CA was recently
12:04 <@Mirage> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/federal-appeals-court-rules-californias-ban-on-high-capacity-magazines-unconstitutional/
12:04 < PigBot> High-Capacity Magazines -- Federal Appeals Court Rules California's Ban Unconstitutional | National Review (at www.nationalreview.com) http://tinyurl.com/y5l8ygef
12:04 <@dc0de> Mirage: I understand all of that.
12:05 <@Mirage> I'm sure you do...but too many other people just react in the way that the Republicans want instead of thinking about it and realizing how utterly stupid it is
12:13 < strages> dc0de: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders
12:13 < PigBot> List of United States federal executive orders - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/mlsnqxk
12:13 < strages> you're far from correct
12:21 <@dc0de> strages: I didn't see you there! How are you doing my friend?
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12:23 <@strages> not too bad
12:29 <@Mirage> If we're gonna have political parties, I think someone needs to revive the old "Democratic-Republican" party, just to fuck with everyone
12:47 <@Mirage> Shocker: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/513518-trump-deadline-for-drug-pricing-order-passes-with-no-action
12:47 < PigBot> Trump deadline for drug pricing order passes with no action | TheHill (at thehill.com) http://tinyurl.com/yyxhakkc
12:58 <@Mirage> If it's gonna rain tofay it needs to hurry and do it.  88 outside and the heat index is 99.  Ugh
13:07 <@Mirage> Space Force!!!  https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/513764-william-shatner-rails-against-space-force-officer-rankings-in-op-ed
13:07 < PigBot> William Shatner rails against Space Force officer ranks in op-ed | TheHill (at thehill.com) http://tinyurl.com/yxdsa3fb
14:04 <@Mirage> Dunno about ya'll, but IMO the media jumped the gun reporting on this before any facts were released and based on a very short video posted from someone's cell phone.  https://newsvoice.com/i/4959740
14:04 < PigBot> Man is paralyzed from waist down after police shooting in Kenosha, Wisconsin (at newsvoice.com) http://tinyurl.com/y6fzltj4
14:06 <@Mirage> I will find it extremely fitting after all the outrage if the police bodycams have audio of the 'victim' stating he was going to get his gun or something to that effect as he was ignoring multiple officers ordering him to stop and with weapons drawn.
14:06 <@Mirage> I mean, c'mon... who in their right mind would act like that....seriously.
14:29 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3CsOx5U9Gs
14:29 < PigBot> World's most powerful bat goes boom. Made on my new Tormach 24r - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y2ef9e8z
14:53 <@Mirage> Quick poll...who thinks it'shooting a wooden target for a 200MW laser
14:53 <@Mirage> w/ an SUV behind it is a good idea?
14:53 <@Mirage> https://youtu.be/WAI7Lu4UFi4?t=491
14:53 < PigBot> No Title (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/yxru9j3o
14:55  * Mirage smacks pigbot
14:56 <@Mirage> ^ "200 Watt car mounted laser!"
15:08 <@Evilpig> ugh
15:09 <@Evilpig> arguing with a windows admin about automation doesn't mean it has to be only machine readable
15:09 <@Evilpig> fuckin' douchebags.
15:09 <@Evilpig> switching out our AD environement and they want no OUs at all, big flat tree
15:10 <@Evilpig> they want nobody to have direct rights to create groups so they can enforce a naming standard that ties a resource id number from a homegrown inventory management system as part of the name
15:11 <@Evilpig> so the full name of a group will be like SG<group id number><inventory id>  which will translate out to something like all of our 250 groups will be SG1018756381087
15:11 <@Evilpig> because "we want everything automated and the machine can't handle these arbitrary names that you all are using now"
15:12 <@Evilpig> bitch! all of our shit is automated and the names are human decipherable at a glance
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15:48 <@Mirage> Pretty cool woodworking tips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cME3vK1aaQ
15:48 < PigBot> 6 Woodworking tips & tricks for beginners - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y4hvqr2e
15:50 <@Mirage> lol.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_wdo4ihcd8
15:50 < PigBot> If "Real People" Commercials Were Real Life - CHEVY Reliability Award - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y3n6yagl
15:53 <@Mirage> Lol..."This video has been sponsored by assholeconsulting.com"
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20:56 <@eryc> Evilpig: that is among the most retarded things i've ever heard in my 20 year career
20:57 <@eryc> not too mention combining two arbitrary number creates a namespace collision as it is in fact a 3rd arbitrary number
20:57 <@eryc> how is group 12, subgroup 34 different from group 1, subgroup 234
21:00 <@Evilpig> they have that problem solved by making the arbitrary number groups locked to set lengths and they are zero padding... :-/
21:01 <@Evilpig> what do you expect out of a windows group for writing automations and standards though.  they can only be so agile before their shit breaks
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23:13 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Some people would just see the writing on the wall and use a damn hash for that
23:14 <@Dagmar> It's sad that they didn't just gin up a UUID because it's Microsoft that came up with the insane idea of implementing a standard that involves having to compute the ten thousandth of a second from a point in time fully 250+ years before hte invention of a computer
23:16 <@Dagmar> Who cares that it's a gap in the calendar.  Time is bloody contigous, and it only takes a few minutes of looking at the glibc timezone code to realize that would not be a significant addition to the complexity
23:16 <@Dagmar> Converting from actual time to "human time" involves more complexity in dealing with one leap second
23:17 <@Dagmar> UNRELATED, I think The Survivalists is going to do really well
23:17 <@Dagmar> I was screwing around with it because, demo, and it's got some advantages over Wayward, and you can give monkeys axes and train them to kill.
23:19 <@aestetix> anyone want a job doing devops/sysadmin stuff
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