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06:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:20  * aestetix bans Dolemite 
06:23  * Dolemite unbans himself and sprays aestetix with Right Guard
06:24 <@Dolemite> The deodorant choice for leftists, to guard against the Far Right
06:28 < aestetix> As opposed to patchouli?
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06:35 <@Dolemite> I'm pretty sure patchouli repels 90% of everybody, not just the far right
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08:48 <@Dolemite> damn it's extra quiet in here, today
09:08 <@Evilpig> aestetix farted
09:08 <@Evilpig> I'm deep into some ansible work trying to get our ssl processes automated 
09:09 <@Dolemite> My rsync of /var/spool/imap for this box at work is still running...   since before 7 AM
09:12 <@Dagmar> Fuck AT&T.
09:12 <@Mirage> No Corydon.   Guess he's still upset with us privileged white ppl.
09:13 <@Dagmar> Those fucking morons have their shit resetting the rules on the firewalls built into the premise equipment
09:13 < aestetix> Mirage: he should go to the bay area. He'd fit in quite well
09:13 <@Dagmar> Two centers now have had the goddamn AT&T cablemodem start blocking ICMP echo again, at centers where I personally turned it the fuck off.
09:14 <@Dagmar> The next time they try to talk to me about their "Exciting" 50mbit offering, I'm just going to tell them to go fuck themselves.
09:19 <@Mirage> Dagmar: when I first moved out here to TX I had ATT U-Verse.  Their residential/small business gateway had a custom rom on it that was fucked up so that the mac table would only store 1 mac to an IP at a time, which didn't work out too well for me with my firewall which would masquerade all the public IPs and then use biNat to the "DMZ" for each system.  So whatever system behind the firewall that talked last and got translated was the only system that coul
09:22 <@Dagmar> I trust that you openly questioned the intelligence of their engineers
09:23 <@Dagmar> There's not really an excuse for fucking up 30-year-old layer 2 shit
09:24 <@Mirage> The guy I finally got w/ a clue pretty much agreed.
09:25 <@Dagmar> There's a dude in #linux playing a dangerous game this morning
09:25 <@Dagmar> He is flat out making things up
09:25 <@Dagmar> Like "VGA stdio"
09:26 <@Dagmar> Imma wind up eating his soul before noon
09:29 <@Mirage> Inspector from the city showed up to finally clear our ~3 month old permit for the new windows.  Not sure if they changed their process to not come in ppls houses if only a single-story or if normal, but he just walked around the house and said "OK, all good"
09:29 <@Mirage> If that's all they were gonna do he could have done that ages ago
09:30 <@Mirage> But at least we can finally remove the permit and all the certification labels taped up in the windows
09:47 <@Dolemite> The whole permit/inspection process for owner modifications is just a PITA.
09:49 <@Mirage> I'm sure it's 80% revenue and 20% code compliance
09:50 <@Evilpig> i'd like to see statistics on how often they deny something for compliance
09:51 <@Mirage> AT the old house one of the windows on the landing for the stairs didn't have the tempered marking on it and got failed, so the company had to come out and replace that one window.  So at least some of them do verify code compliance
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11:52 <@Mirage> Yeah, I don't agree with this.. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/30/883074890/supreme-court-montana-cant-exclude-religious-schools-from-scholarship-program
11:52 < PigBot> Supreme Court: Montana Can't Exclude Religious Schools From Scholarship Program : NPR (at www.npr.org) http://tinyurl.com/y943b99j
11:53 <@Mirage> If there's going to be separation of gov't/religion then it should be across the board, but just picking this and that
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12:01 <@Evilpig> if they're accredited k-12 then they're a school and that's the end of it.  if they have a second agenda, that's just every other private institution ever
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12:10 < aestetix> you know
12:11 < aestetix> it's scary how many people I see supporting statue removal
12:13 <@Mirage> sheep
12:14 <@Mirage> I think social media mentality is a big part of it
12:15 <@Dolemite> I support statue removal to an extent.   Definitely not the mob rule.
12:16 <@Dolemite> But through citizens putting enough pressure on the leaders to make them realize it needs to GO
12:17 <@Mirage> right
12:17 < aestetix> well I mean
12:17 <@opticron> I support statue removal when it was put up by a hate group specifically to deter the "wrong people", unfortunately, AL has made it impossible to legally remove any of the relevant statues more than 40 years old
12:17 < aestetix> if a statue is removed through a legal process that's one thing
12:18 < aestetix> but the mob coming with pitchforks, that's different
12:18 < aestetix> IE if a local city council votes to remove a statue..... that's on them. but at least they gave the local public a fair hearing
12:19 <@opticron> we have a statue to the "heroes who defended the values of the confederacy" (parapharased) right next to the courthouse steps which also happened to be the site of a very public lynching and was erected in the early 1900s
12:20 <@opticron> and our city council has voted to have it removed, but is waiting on the AL gov't to approve it (which they won't and actually can't according to how the law is written)
12:21 <@Mirage> opticron: exactly on the first part.. basing removal of something just because that person or thing may have been associated with a non-PC subject by todays standards isn't really a valid reason for removal, but something that is blatant and can be recognized by ANYONE/EVERYONE is fair game to be removed by legal channels.  Citizens/mobs should not take it upon themselves to just start yanking everything down.
12:21 <@opticron> the only alternative is to remove it illegally and pay the $25000 fine
12:22 <@Dolemite> I grew up in Franklin, TN, and I know for a fact that the little shits in Middle school would joke that the Confederate Soldier statue in the Town Square was to remind the blacks of who was in charge.
12:22 <@opticron> I mean...that's probably pretty accurate
12:22 <@Dolemite> I would laugh and think it was all a joke, so in that regard, I was a little shit, too
12:23 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: you were never a _little_ shit. ;)
12:23 <@Dolemite> I'm a big shit, now
12:23 <@opticron> yuuuge
12:23 <@Mirage> Forrest for example is widely known and widely associated with founding the KKK, which is a blatant hate group..
12:23 <@Dolemite> The biggest
12:24 <@Evilpig> I gotta say.  with all the trouble I stirred up at red hat about ansible, it works in my favor when it comes to talking to another vendor about ansible.  lol
12:25 <@Evilpig> finding some bad decisions on F5s part in how they do some stuff and now I have a meeting with them on thursday to talk about how to make their crap actually work
12:25 <@Mirage> Columbus, Woodrow Wilson, John Wayne, U.L. Grant, etc are NOT normally associated with anything as such, so removing them is going to the extreme
12:25 <@Evilpig> Mirage: you left off washington and lincoln too
12:27 <@Mirage> Yeah, and every other president, because I'm sure if you look into any/all of them closely enough then you're going to find something
12:29 <@Mirage> At least the crazy from a while back about reparations from the decendents of slave owners hasn't come up again.
12:39 <@opticron> oh wow, I hadn't even heard of that
12:44 <@Evilpig> Mirage: it has
12:44 <@Evilpig> saw a blurb this morning about it from a dubious source, but they haven't been pulled off the air yet so Fox is still considered a source
12:45 <@Evilpig> they didn't say the descendents, pretty sure they want the government to pony up the dough
12:52 < jb7od> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/a-decidedly-non-linux-distro-walkthrough-haiku-r1-beta2/ <- completely forgot about Be- always wondered what happened there.
12:52 < PigBot> A decidedly non-Linux distro walkthrough: Haiku R1/beta2 | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8gnemev
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13:57 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Columbus would be the only one on your list that I disagree with
13:59 < aestetix> Mirage: oh, reparations are definitely coming back
13:59 < aestetix> the BET president just made a statement about that
13:59 < aestetix> what did he say, he wants like 13 trillion or something
14:01 <@Dolemite> LOL
14:01 < aestetix> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/bets-robert-johnson-calls-for-14-trillion-of-reparations-for-slavery.html
14:01 < PigBot> BET's Robert Johnson calls for $14 trillion of reparations for slavery (at www.cnbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/y723gb7z
14:35 <@Mirage> old, but amusing. https://www.boredpanda.com/funny-architecture-construction-fails/
14:35 < PigBot> 78 Architects Who Had One Job And Still Failed | Bored Panda (at www.boredpanda.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8ekz5bk
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22:45 < K`Tetch> "13:25:33 «@Mirage» Columbus, Woodrow Wilson, John Wayne, U.L. Grant, etc are NOT normally associated with anything as such," ***IN THE US*** they're not, mainly because US history is revisionist in the extreme
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22:46 < K`Tetch> I mean I'll bet noone will be celebrating the Marines founding next week, they'll do it in november, when they weren't
22:48 < K`Tetch> if any of you have kids in school, look at their history books about the revolutionary war, and see how prominent it has '60,000 foreign troops to fight the 30,000 british troops and 10k german mercs', and how prominent the 200k 'militia' were that did fuck all
22:49 < K`Tetch> Here in GA, the history textbooks for freshman year state hat the civil war was about states rights (which is made up)
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