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00:01 <@Dagmar> I can get 15-16MB/s out of a single 1.8Ghz core, so.. it'll take a day or so to initialize a 4Tb encrypted spinner, but if I have to encrypt 4Tb I'll _make_ that time
00:01 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
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06:22 <@dc0de> g/mernin all
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06:32 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:33  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:34 <@dc0de> sup all.
06:35 <@dc0de> Tomorrow I'll be in Knoxville, then to Charleston, then driving w/my dad back to New England.
06:36 <@Dolemite> You'll be in the minority by wearing your mask in Knoxville
06:37 < aestetix> apparently the CHAZistan residents have refused to leave
07:23 <@Dolemite> Well I have no respect for any "movement" sharing a moniker with the douchebag shortening of Charles
07:24 <@Corydon76> It's also the son of Sonny and Cher.
07:25 <@Dolemite> That seems a redundant statement
07:27 < aestetix> The other name for it is CHOP
07:27 < aestetix> and apparently there is a new name, I can't remember it though
07:27 < aestetix> CHMP or something
07:27 <@Dolemite> CHMP just makes me think of Perl code, so even worse
07:28 <@Corydon76> I prefer CHWC.
07:28 <@Corydon76> short for Capitol Hill... Who Cares?
07:28 < aestetix> what is CHWC?
07:29 <@Mirage> dc0de: once again, I'll ride up with you if you wanna come pick me up.  =)
07:29 <@oddball> I thought pretty much everyone there has gone home.
07:29 < aestetix> more statues coming down
07:30 <@Mirage> Obviously they are all out of work right now and have nothing better to do
07:30 < aestetix> Mirage: pretty much
07:30 <@Mirage> aestetix: that was actually in response to oddball, but works pretty much in general
07:30 < aestetix> oh lol
07:31 <@Mirage> Q:  Why are there so many ppl out doing <foo>?
07:31 <@Mirage> A: Obviously they are all out of work right now and have nothing better to do.
07:31 <@Mirage> See works, just fine
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07:32 < aestetix> well
07:32 < aestetix> maybe another wave of corona will handle the problem
07:35 <@Mirage> Right now with regard to all the BLM crap going on that more parents/grandparents had taught their kids the way that my old friend Orlando's grandmother had...which is that racism and racist remarks only work if you let them.   Words don't don't hve power unless you give them power.
07:35 < aestetix> +1
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07:35 <@Corydon76> aestetix: the observation has been made that liberals are much more likely to wear masks and socially distance than conservatives.  Given this observation, do you really think coronavirus is going to affect protests mostly attended by liberals?
07:36 < aestetix> Corydon76: I guess we'll find out
07:36 <@Mirage> Orlando used to ask/encourage all of his white friends to call him "nig" or "nigger" to prove to everyone that it was just a word.
07:37 <@Corydon76> Mirage: that works, as long as the racists aren't shoving you to the ground and putting a knee on your neck or a noose around your neck.
07:38 <@Corydon76> As long as the racism remains only words, yeah.  But racists do follow up with actions, especially when they think nobody around will stop them.
07:39 < aestetix> Mirage: I am a big fan of Lenny Bruce and George Carlin
07:39 < aestetix> who basically said the same thing
07:39 < aestetix> Corydon76: the moment they commit an action, then you can arrest them
07:40 <@Corydon76> aestetix: that doesn't work when the racist has a badge and operates under qualified immunity
07:40 < aestetix> That said, there is nothing wrong with monitoring someone who seems like they might commit an action
07:40 <@Mirage> Corydon76: I think that if you took about .000005 seconds to actually read, comprehend, and contextualize what I wrote that you would understand that I'm referring to all the changing the names/branding of things, ripping down statues, deciding to no longer refer to a master bedroom as a "master" bedroom, etc.
07:40 < aestetix> Corydon76: pretty sure that Chauvin guy is gonna be in jail for the rest of his life
07:41 <@Corydon76> aestetix: We'll see.  Cops have done worse and gone free.
07:41 < aestetix> Let's hope
07:42 <@Corydon76> And there's a disturbing number of concurrent stories where the cop still has a job.
07:42 <@dc0de> Mirage: awesome.. and nope... :)
07:43 <@Corydon76> Mirage: the problem is that racist language sets up the environment for the racists to believe that they will not be stopped.
07:43 <@dc0de> whenever I see the three letters BLM, I automatically think "Bureau of Land Management".
07:43 < aestetix> dc0de: same here
07:44 <@Corydon76> I understand that you think it won't matter.  Well, then, it's worth a trial run, isn't it?
07:44 <@Dolemite> Black Licorice Matters
07:45 < aestetix> Bacon Lettuce Mayo
07:45 <@Dolemite> Now you're talkin'
07:45 < aestetix> that sounds disgusting actually
07:45 < aestetix> unless there is also a burger on it
07:46 <@Dolemite> Well mayo is typically on a BLT, but I hate uncooked tomatoes, so a BLM sounds much better
07:46 <@Corydon76> I've never met a BLT without mayo
07:46 <@Corydon76> And some people have an aversion to tomatoes
07:46 < aestetix> oh yeah  Iwas thinking of just bacon lettuce and mayo on a bun
07:47 <@Dolemite> But I'm not talking about a couple of pieces of paper thin, greasy and limp bacon.    I'm talking a half pound of thick cut bacon fried nice and crispy.
07:47 < aestetix> I hate tomatoes in general
07:47 < aestetix> Dolemite: oh I could get behind that
07:48 <@Corydon76> aestetix: you don't go for red sauce on pasta?
07:48 < aestetix> Corydon76: no
07:48 < aestetix> Although pizza sauce is fine
07:49 <@Corydon76> You know you can get a pizza with white sauce, right?
07:49 < aestetix> That's gross though
07:49 < aestetix> would it be offensive to show up at a BLM protest with a bunch of bacon lettuce and mayo burgers?
07:50 <@Corydon76> You don't like garlic and parmesan cheese sauce?
07:50 < aestetix> oh that stuff is fine
07:50 <@Dolemite> I also like an occasional pesto pizza
07:50 <@Corydon76> I love pesto pizza.  Too bad Pizza Slut doesn't offer it.
07:54 <@Mirage> Corydon76: Did your parents never teach you that when you're being picked on by a bully at school that showing that they are actually getting to you by whatever actions they are taking empowers and emboldens them so that they will just keep doing it?  The best way to handle it is to just ignore them and realize how stupid/ignorant they are.
07:55 <@Corydon76> Mirage: yeah, I got taught that continuously.  Right next to the bully who was leering at me right across the dinner table.  And any effort to ignore them failed.
07:57 <@Corydon76> You know what actually works against a bully?  Taking it 300 step further than they ever took it with me, and teaching them a lesson.  But adults don't like that, because they think it escalates.  BULLSHIT.  It actually works.
07:59 <@Corydon76> Bullies only attack, because it makes them feel better, and they can get away with it.  You make sure they face permanent consequences for their bullying, and THAT is the end of it.
08:00 <@Mirage> Only once did my mom tell me to fighjt back against a bully because they wouldn't let up.  She said to just stand there like normal and when he got close to hook a foot behind his ankle, shove him down on the ground, then pop him once in the mouth.  She said if he still wanted to get up and fight then so be it.
08:01 <@Mirage> He didn't, but then reported it at school (this was at the bus stop in our trailer park).  I wound up being suspended for a week over it.
08:01 <@Corydon76> Mirage: and did it stop?
08:01 <@Mirage> Yes.
08:01 <@Corydon76> See?  Ignoring it didn't work.  Taking it to the next level and beyond works.
08:02 <@Mirage> In that one instance..in second grade
08:03 <@Corydon76> The US took it to the next level in Iraq.  When's the last time Saddam Hussein bothered us?
08:06 <@Corydon76> Ignoring a bully doesn't and never has worked, because it ignores the psychology of bullying.  They're not doing it because you react.  They're doing it because it makes them feel better, and they face no consequences for it.  You have to make them feel worse and face consequences, or it will not stop.
08:10 <@Mirage> Most will typically just pick a new target because they aren't getting what they want from you.
08:16 <@Corydon76> Mirage: is that from your experience or just what you've heard?
08:19 <@opticron> my personal anecdote also says that disproportionate response works well
08:19 <@opticron> 7th grade
08:24 <@Corydon76> I dunno.  Maybe we can fit all kids who complain about being bullied with body cams, and use the resulting evidence to crack down hard on bullies.
08:27 <@Mirage> Corydon76: My experience.  And the only time I had to resort to physical response was that one time in 2nd grade.
08:27 <@Corydon76> Mirage: how many of those cases occurred after second grade?
08:28 <@Corydon76> Have you considered that word got around as to what you did to that guy?
08:29 <@Mirage> Quite a few.  I think I went to 6-7 other schools afterward.
08:43 <@Mirage> I was only at the school that happened at for maybe half a school year.
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08:56 < xray> I can recall four experiences with bullies, one in grade school, and three in high school. Nuking from orbit resolved all of them.
08:57 < xray> Make that 5 experiences, and nuking them also resolved the issue.
08:58 < xray> Thankfully my Dad would always back me up if I had issues with school administrators.
08:59 < xray> Surprisingly I never had an issue with the "authorities"but getting suspended was always a possibility.
09:01 < xray> Well, I did have the Shore Patrol show up one time but that was resolved when I honestly answered their questions.
09:01 < xray> So I agree with opticron.
09:02 < xray> and Corydon76
09:03 < xray> Also I moved around a lot so I was always "the new kid". I probably got more than my fair share of "attention" from bullies.
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09:21 <@Mirage> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-wayne-airport-orange-county-democrats-california-name-statue-removal/
09:23 <@Mirage> All this stupid shit keeps on they will wind up changing or erradicating the names of anyone/anything from 1492-present who ever said/did anything that someone thinks is even slightly offensive.
09:24 <@Mirage> Hell, once they're done here they need to head to europe and start ripping down anything having to do with the roman empire as well, starting with the coliseum.
09:27 <@Corydon76> Uh, taking down statues that were not contemporary with the honor bestowed -- how does that translate to taking down buildings?
09:35 <@Mirage> Since mere association with slaverly in any way/shape/form seems to be all that is required for everyone to go off the deep end, why not target old Roman slave markets and the coliseum where slaves were regularly killed in great spectacles.  I mean, shit...if slavery had been abolished back during the height of the roman empire, egyptian times, etc, etc then it wouldn't have existed in the colonies.
09:42 <@Mirage> Corydon76: and in case you're missing it...my point is that it's completely and totally nonsense to do things like rename a building, remove a statue, etc over frivolous reasons.  News flash...the civil war happened, slavery happened, bigots/racist exist... Removing or renaming anything associated does absolutely nothing to change that.   The only way that something, IMO, would actually warrant removal or renaming is if it was something irrefutably blatant 
09:43 <@Corydon76> So, again, you don't think it'll do any good to remove/rename them, which is why you're so adamant that they remain?
09:44 <@Corydon76> I, frankly, don't give a shit, but if it'll make someone happy to remove a bunch of statues and rename buildings, fuck, it's the least we can do.
09:46 <@Mirage> No, I don't think it'll do any good.   At the rate they are going they'll probbaly decide that teaching anything about slavery, anyone who had anything to with it, or anyone who was ever racist in any way and start censoring the shit out of all the history books.
09:47 <@Corydon76> Uh, no, nobody is suggesting censoring history books.
09:47 <@Corydon76> You can teach that in class, and in museums.
09:47 <@Corydon76> Hey, aestetix, how many statues of Hitler remain in Germany?
09:48 <@Corydon76> Zero?  Fuck!  No wonder we don't know who he was!  And that's completely gone and censored from history books, too!  How will we ever learn?
09:48 <@Mirage> Corydon76: not yet...but the more they get and the empowered they get the more they are going to ask for
09:49 <@Evilpig> Corydon76: your name offends me, just change it.  it won't affect you, it is meaningless but it'll make me feel better
09:50 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: false comparison.  It will affect me to change my name in life.
09:51 <@Corydon76> After my death?  Don't give a shit.
09:51 <@Evilpig> and changing the name of a street that I live on will affect me
09:51 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: what's the name of the street you live on?
09:51 <@Evilpig> but you changing your name to make me feel better about my place in history causes me no strife so get it at
09:51 <@Dolemite> ROFL, one of the mystery shop companies that I work with just sent out their "Shops available to sign up for" newsletter...   it's for Lion's Den Adult Toy Store
09:51 <@Mirage> Dolemite: nice
09:51 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: please tell me it's a video shop
09:52 <@Dolemite> Evaluate the overall cleanliness, friendliness and how long it took for you to be greeted. Note the number of male and female customers as well as the number of employees present.
09:52 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: and how will that help you?
09:52 <@Dolemite> Browse the store and allow an associate time to offer help. If you are not approached after a few minutes, you must approach them and ask for help. This is to test their knowledge.
09:53 <@Dolemite> "Uh, does this lube really taste like cherry?"
09:54 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: I'm quite open to the idea that my name might be offensive.  Please explain it.
09:54 <@Evilpig> Corydon76: it makes my feelings better.  don't argue with my logic, how dare you choose what values I should hold
09:54 <@Evilpig> bigot
09:54 <@Corydon76> Yeah, but nobody is making that argument.
09:54 <@Evilpig> I don't have to explain myself.  i'm entitled and triggered now fucking change it asshole
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09:54 <@Mirage> Corydon76: bullshit
09:55 <@Evilpig> This is the argument going on right now.  whether or not you choose to accept it
09:55 <@Corydon76> For example, Columbus was a ruthless asshole who cut people's hands off and had those people wear them around their necks like necklaces.
09:55 <@Corydon76> Columbus sold FOURTEEN YEAR OLD GIRLS as sex slaves.
09:56 <@Corydon76> That's a real case of where people are discussing removing his name as honored in place names, yeah.  But he was a fucking asshole.
09:56 <@Mirage> And how many people celebrate Columbus Day because of that
09:56 <@Corydon76> LOL
09:56 <@Evilpig> now that you've told me, I think I can get a pinata or two for that
09:56 <@Corydon76> You know why Columbus Day is celebrated?  Because of a Catholic lobby
09:57 <@Mirage> How many ppl immediately associate that with Columbus.   Ask 1000 ppl what they know about Columbus, sans all the current media coverage, and 1000 ppl are going to say that he discovered america
09:58 <@Corydon76> And they probably wouldn't have bothered at all if it weren't for the Klan targeting Catholics in the 20s.
09:58 <@Corydon76> Mirage: Yeah, too bad that it wasn't true.
10:00 < aestetix> In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue...
10:01 <@Corydon76> In 1493, Columbus sailed the ocean green.  In 1494, Columbus hit the ocean floor...
10:01 < aestetix> haha
10:01 < aestetix> did you just make that up?
10:02 <@Corydon76> No, that was how I learned that rhyme.
10:02 < aestetix> Evilpig: I just wish the protesters who want to rip down statues were not so rapid about it.
10:03 < aestetix> It seems like a lot of it is coming from people who learned their social skills from twitter, where you can just block someone you disagree with
10:03 <@Corydon76> aestetix: we've been trying to rip down the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest in Tennessee for the last 25 years, by going through the proper channels.
10:03 < aestetix> Corydon76: yes. Law takes time.
10:03 < aestetix> But that also means that when you get your change in, it will take just as long to revert your change.
10:04 <@Corydon76> aestetix: or longer
10:04 < aestetix> That's a good thing
10:05 < aestetix> It started with confederate generals. Now it's moved on to washington, lincoln, and others.
10:06 < aestetix> I wonder who will get hit next
10:06 <@Corydon76> aestetix: I think those discussions will continue, but I don't think Washington and Lincoln will come down anytime soon.  Especially since they're on our currency.
10:06 <@Mirage> George Washington owned slaves... they should rename Washington, DC and Washington state next
10:07 < aestetix> Corydon76: I saw in the news, three different locations where Lincoln statues are under threat
10:07 < aestetix> Mirage: and take down the Washington memorial.
10:07 <@Mirage> Corydon76: I don't think you're giving the radicals enough credit on just how stupid all this is going to get
10:08 <@Mirage> aestetix: maybe they should just carve it into a giant penis as a tribute to the gay community
10:08 < aestetix> Mirage: gays aren't oppressed enough anymore
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10:31 <@Dagmar> Yet ya'll just kinda eyeroll when I say "You can't judge the people of the past by the standards of today"
10:31 <@Dagmar> This shit is where that heads.
10:32 <@Dagmar> 200 years ago, everyone was an asshole.
10:33 <@Dagmar> 400 years ago, everyone was definitely an asshole.
10:33 <@Dagmar> ...and 2000 years ago, everyone was a _giant_ asshole.
10:33 < aestetix> Dagmar: who is an asshole today?
10:33 < K`Tetch> thats just libertarianism.
10:33 <@Dagmar> THe Bible is just full of guidelines for how to manage slaves, and basically in there so long as you don't kill them, you're fine.
10:33 < K`Tetch> it encourages assholishness
10:33 <@Dagmar> ...yet no one's yelling about Jesus being fine with slavery.
10:34 < K`Tetch> because jesus is fictional?
10:34 < K`Tetch> or because they ignore so much else in that book anyway
10:34 <@Dagmar> Andrew Jackson and Lincoln might as well be fictional to these people, since they don't pay any heed to the lessons that were being taught
10:35 <@Dagmar> I'm sure ther'es lots of oligarchs who would be glad to see Jackson purged from the history books, along with the rest of the founding fathers.
10:35 <@Dagmar> Gods forbid anyone ever hear a word against the fractional banking ponzi
10:37 <@Dagmar> ...and all this virtue signaling about the flag is just getting ridiculous.  Most of those people probably think Lincoln was fully on-board with the idea of the federal government banning slavery.
10:38 <@Dagmar> Shit just isn't that simple... unless/until you start villifying everyone and using it as an excuse to cherry pick the lessons of history.
10:40 < aestetix> what about chopping down cherry trees?
10:41 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: respectfully, even the King of Portugal considered Columbus a giant asshole, which is why the king had Columbus thrown in prison.
10:43 <@Evilpig> Corydon76: it sounds like your real complaint is that the catholic church has had too much say in what our government has done and which holidays the country supports.  so maybe the real fight that should be going on is to separate church and state?
10:43 <@Mirage> Corydon76: and how many ppl are taught that?  how common is that knowledge?
10:43 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I learned it in those history books that you are convinced are going to be censored.
10:43 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: So what does that have to do with the fact that the _common, everyday_ moral standards of 200+ years ago are utter shit by today's standards?
10:44 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: it matters because he was a giant asshole in his own time.
10:44 <@Mirage> Corydon76: in school you learned that Columbus was an asshle and forced 14 year old girls to be sex slaves?
10:44 <@Dagmar> With folks being as PC as they are today, there's literally no one who was alive when the country was founded who someone can't find a reason to declare a blackguard and not worthy of celebrating
10:45 <@Mirage> I'm definitely calling bullshit on that one unless you learned it in college while you were majoring in 'douchbags of european history'
10:45 <@Corydon76> Mirage: it was kept out of the curriculum until college, but yes.
10:45 <@Dagmar> Lincoln was not an asshole, but there's people who want to tear it down because he felt that the constitution didn't give the federal government absolute control over the states
10:46 <@Corydon76> But there's your censorship.  We don't know how much of an asshole Columbus was in grade school, because people thought it was age-inappropriate
10:46 <@Dagmar> Washington founded the damn country and owned some slaves they treated decently, but people are hollering about him because he owned any slaves at all
10:46 <@Dagmar> ...because by today's standards, owning slaves is very bad.
10:46 <@Dagmar> Except no one calls corporations out over it.
10:47 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: you miss that Washington had teeth pulled from his slaves in order to replace his missing teeth?
10:47 <@Dagmar> Did you miss the part where I've said _the moral standards of today are not the yardstick that should be used_?
10:47 <@Dagmar> ANY attempts to apply them is a slippery slope
10:48 <@Mirage> Dagmar: Damnit, stop speaking sense.
10:48 <@Dagmar> The yardstick that should be used is the standards of their era and the esteem of their peers
10:48 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: I'm fine with acknowledging the sins of our forebears and placing them in context.
10:48 <@Dagmar> Except that's not what's happening when people try and put a freakin' klansman hood on statues of Washington
10:48 <@Corydon76> Did they?  That's interesting.
10:49 <@Dagmar> yes
10:49 <@Corydon76> Sounds like a good conversation to have.
10:49 <@Dagmar> This is why the whole "everything is black or white" approach to evaluating history is shit
10:49 <@Dagmar> People can find something wrong with practically every historical figure
10:50 <@Corydon76> So?  They're flawed people.  As are our contemporaries.
10:50 <@Dagmar> ...and when folks are fine with evaluating people as entirely horrible over that one thing, then everytthing breaks down and there are _no_ heroes
10:50 <@Dagmar> It's just a matter of time before someone decides _anyone_ is a giant asshole
10:51 <@Dagmar> ...and those teeth went into Washington's _dentures_, by the way
10:52 <@Dagmar> You can't just take someone elses real teeth now, and you definitely couldn't do it in the 1800's
10:54 <@Evilpig> 10:48 <@Mirage> Dagmar: Damnit, stop speaking sense.
10:54 <@Evilpig> I think that's the first time i've ever seen that in writing
10:54 <@Evilpig> lol
10:55 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: and why is it a problem that we have no hero worship?
10:56 <@Dagmar> Because the heros of history are what we base our goddamn teachings around, and how we share fucking ethical values down to new generations
10:56 <@Dagmar> ffs
10:56 <@Corydon76> I don't think that's correct.
10:57 <@Corydon76> Ethics are based upon logic.
10:57 <@Corydon76> Every class I've had on ethics start with that principle.
10:57 <@Dagmar> OKay then, _moral_ values
10:57 <@Corydon76> ROFLOL
10:57 <@Dagmar> But I"m not having this fucking argument with you because you're just trying to nitpick arguments without actually thinking about what you're fucking saying
10:58 <@Corydon76> I'll agree with you that hero worship is what leads to moral values.  How about that?
10:58 <@Dagmar> You can waste someone else's time with the devil's advocate shit
10:58 <@Mirage> Corydon76: as anyone who's ever had an argument with a woman will tell you, logic can be used to justify ANYTHING
10:58 <@Corydon76> It's not devil's advocate shit.  I think you're just plain wrong on this.
10:58 <@Dagmar> No one puts grade school kids through a college level course on fucking moral philosophy for fuck's sake
10:59 <@Corydon76> Remember, I have the life experience that has had people condemn my love life because of their morals.
10:59 <@Dagmar> They show them "Great Figures In History" explain why some things those people did were cool, and they say "be like these people"
10:59 <@Mirage> Corydon76: and ethics, as they view it
10:59 <@Corydon76> So no, I don't think abstract morals based upon hero worship are worth half a damn.
10:59 <@Dagmar> They absolutely don't fucking nitpick about the differences between morals, ethics, and cultural mores.
11:00 <@Dagmar> No chidlren would understand it, and precious few adults do
11:00 <@Corydon76> Mirage: it's ethical to leave people to their own devices, as long as they aren't hurting others.
11:00 <@Dagmar> ...which is part of how we're having this stupid fucking problem in the first place.
11:01 <@Corydon76> We're having this stupid fucking problem, because some people don't understand that this shit actively emboldens assholes.
11:02 <@Evilpig> not arresting the assholes blocking interstates when they were breaking the law emboldened them to start with destruction of public property
11:02 <@Evilpig> let's talk actual things that happened not what a statue didn't do
11:02 <@Dagmar> There's a whole host of things wrong with the traffic blocking bullshit
11:02 <@Dagmar> Physics being right there at the top
11:02 <@Evilpig> show me a talking statue that tells assholes to go out and beat people, then we'll talk about how they're emboldening assholes
11:03 <@Dagmar> It doesn't matter if there's only one person or 1,000 people... if you fucking jump out there onto the interstate in front of a heavily loaded semi without giving them _ample_ time to stop, strawberry jam is going to happen
11:03 <@Evilpig> right now if you bring me someone that claims a statue has been telling them to do things that make them appear to be an ass.  I'll help you call an ambulance and we'll get that person evaluated for the voices they're hearing
11:04 <@Dagmar> Subsquently trying to blame the semi driver is just fucking stupid
11:04 <@Dagmar> Let
11:04 <@Dagmar> Lets start the evaluations with the motherfuckers who are apparently bathing in blood
11:08 <@Corydon76> No, let's start with the fact that 3 straight white males, who have never experienced systemic discrimination before are arguing that nothing needs to change.
11:09 <@Evilpig> clearly you don't recall my tales of tumblr
11:09 <@Evilpig> I was a minority there
11:11 <@Mirage> No, no.. a person can only be discriminated against if they are LGBTQ or Black.
11:11 <@Mirage> Haven't you heard?
11:11 <@Evilpig> my mistake.  
11:11 <@Mirage> Oh, or a woman...we can't forget women's rights
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11:11 <@Mirage> hahahha
11:11 <@Evilpig> well that's one way to leave an argument
11:12 <@Dagmar> No, apparently discrimination is _just fine_.  It's only "racism" that's a problem, and you can't be "racist" to "white people" apparently
11:17 <@Mirage> As I've pointed out before, I find the fact that a lot of "African Americans" really don't like Africans.   And black Africans as well as blacks from other countries that have moved here don't especially like being referred to as "African American".
11:35 < aestetix> So Corydon has bought into the bullshit logic of intersectionality :/
11:36 < aestetix> If you can draw conclusions about someone because they are straight white men, can you not also draw conclusions about someone because they are black?
11:36 < aestetix> That's why identity politics is bad.
11:38 < aestetix> I hope this wave of "feminism" dies out soon
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11:52 <@Mirage> aestetix: which is why i keep commenting on my distaste for the fact that the media just loves to zero in on race/color/sexuality/etc... Does it REALLY matter..90% of the time no.   Does anyone who isn't either emphatically for or against give a rats ass about whether the ppl doing the voices of non-white characters in the Simsons are white or that an LGBTQ (lesbian) is cast to play Batgirl?
11:52 <@Mirage> I know I don't.
11:56 <@Evilpig> oh damn!  I let gay characters out of the voicing argument entirely.  damnit, who voices stewie griffon?
11:56 <@Evilpig> Stewart Gilligan "Stewie" Griffin is a fictional character from the animated television series Family Guy. He is voiced by series creator Seth MacFarlane
11:56 <@Evilpig> one more voice seth can't do since it isn't gay
12:09 <@Mirage> Evilpig: or is he secretly...he sure likes show tunes a lot. =)
12:10 <@Mirage> That would have been a much more fun comment to make if Corydon was still in here.
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12:50 < aestetix> Mirage: yep
12:50 < aestetix> ugh reddit just shut down /r/the_donald
12:51 < aestetix> that's going to give trump so much ammo
12:53 < aestetix> oh wow
12:53 < aestetix> looks like /r/chapotraphouse was banned too
12:54 < aestetix> so they banned both the far left and far right
12:54 < aestetix> I can't actually fault them for that
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12:56 <@Evilpig> Mirage: lol
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13:11 <@Evilpig> https://www.wkrn.com/news/national/school-board-member-in-oklahoma-spotted-drinking-a-beer-during-board-meeting/
13:11 <@Evilpig> lol
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13:30 <@Mirage> Yeah, that shit is just crazy stupid.  Friend of mine is an elementary teacher and doesn't feel safe going out to a bar/restraunt and having a drink in the city she lives in for fear that some parent might see her and get her fired for it.
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13:39 <@brimstone> it's a school board, not a backhoe
13:40 <@Evilpig> im confused are you pro-school board drinking or pro-backhoe operator drinking?
13:40 <@Evilpig> I think a little drink might make both more exciting
13:40 <@brimstone> pro-school board drinking
13:41 <@brimstone> i don't see how you can do anything with kids sober
13:41 <@Evilpig> valid point
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13:42 <@Mirage> You mean do anything with kids _while_ sober, right?  Or are you advocating kids drinking?
13:42 <@brimstone> why not both?
13:43 <@brimstone> i'd rather my 10yo learn his limits than my 21yo
13:43 < xray> Schools might be more effective if drinking during school board meetings was mandatory. It improves the odds they might do something right by accident.
13:43 <@Mirage> Dolemite never would let me babysit whenever I offered thanks to having suggested in the past that the remedy for crying, teething, and pretty much anything else was to dip their pacified in whiskey and give it to them.   Rinse/repeat until resolved.
13:44 <@Evilpig> Mirage: that sounds like a reasonable course of action 
13:44 <@Evilpig> board meetings could be alot of fun if you turned them into a drinking game.  take a shot whenever budget is said.
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13:45 < xray> Mirage: I remember being given Brandy as a kid for an intransigent cough and it worked.
13:46 <@Evilpig> I wish my parents gave me a girl for a cough.  i'd have faked it a few times just for fun
13:47 <@Mirage> Mom used to let my little brother and I drink whatever she was drinking when we were growing up.  Neither one of us went crazy with drinking once we moved out of the house or turned 21.
13:47 < xray> Evilpig: The closest you will ever get to that is a physical by a female doctor. Turn your head and cough.
13:51 <@Evilpig> Mirage: you did eventually go crazy though, and moved to TX
13:57 <@Mirage> Evilpig: yeah, but I blame that on having lived in Nashville
13:57 <@Mirage> =P
13:57 <@Dolemite> Mirage: It was the pacifier more than the whiskey.   We used Crown Royal as teething medicine for Melanie.
13:58 <@Dolemite> But we weened them away from pacifier use ASAP because it can cause issues ;)
13:59 <@Mirage> Holy crap, I'm finally going to be getting the inspection done by the city the the windows we had installed back when all this Covid stuff started.
14:00 <@Mirage> So after what, 3 months, I'll finally be able to take down the permit and all the window certification labels
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14:07 <@Evilpig> Mirage: that's government efficiency at its finest for you
14:09 <@Mirage> The city discontinued all residential inspections when they shut down the state initially.  Now they have such a backlog of them that they pretty much have to start doing them.
14:20 <@Dolemite> Ok, the Netflix movie, "Eurovision: The Tale of Fire Saga" is worth is just to hear them sing, "Ya Ya Ding Dong"
14:20 <@Dolemite> s/Tale/Story
14:22 <@Mirage> Saw the trailer and that was more than enough for me... but then I'm not a huge Will Farrell fan
14:23 <@Dolemite> It's not your typical Will Ferrell comedy
14:26 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to shift away from working-at-home to homing-from-home.   Until tomorrow.
14:27 <@Mirage> Wow, Trump finally says/does something I agree with..though I'm sure his motivation is different than mine.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/trump-blasts-princeton-woodrow-wilson-name-344209
14:38 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: also not a will ferrell fan but I found that one amusing
14:43 <@Mirage> I enjoyed https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9076562/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
14:43 <@Mirage> Irresistible
14:43  * Mirage smacks PigBot
14:44 <@Mirage> My favorite part was at the very end when they were interviewing the media anchors about reporting the news
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22:48 < K`Tetch> i know a few teachers that won't come to trivia or watch the sports with me at my kids restaurant, beacuse it means sitting at the bar, and drinking bad
22:48 < K`Tetch> or something
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