--- Log opened Thu Jun 18 00:00:25 2020 00:32 -!- northrup [~northrup@bragi.8bitwizard.net] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 00:33 -!- northrup [~northrup@bragi.8bitwizard.net] has joined #se2600 00:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o northrup] by ChanServ 00:58 < K`Tetch> well, it seems more stable 01:42 < aestetix_> K`Tetch: I guess you haven't seen the hidden tribes study 01:52 -!- Corydon76_ [~quassel@96.69.98.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:35 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@96.69.98.139] has joined #se2600 02:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76] by ChanServ 03:30 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwldqlhntmbefgdb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:29 <@Dolemite_> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 05:29 * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite_ 05:30 -!- Dolemite_ is now known as Dolemite 05:46 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has joined #se2600 05:46 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:46 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 05:48 <@Dolemite> So what's offending us today? What burned down overnight? 05:49 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:35 <@Dolemite> Every TV ad related to politics in TN: "I'm a true conservative and I will help enable Trump!" Talk about a paradoxical statement. 08:30 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: burn down my medical supply company! 08:30 <@Evilpig> this is the second time they've sent me supplies for my breathing machine and the second time it appears they've sent it to an old address 08:30 <@Dolemite> I'm not doing the burning down 08:31 <@Evilpig> how about comcast? can we all agree that locking comcast's doors and burning it down with everyone inside would be for the common good? 08:31 <@Dolemite> It likely would be. So glad I don't live in a Comcast service area. 08:32 <@Evilpig> maybe not all of comcast but at least one call center as a show of good faith. ;) 08:32 <@Dolemite> Then again, they own NBC and Universal now, so that still irks me 08:38 <@Mirage> Dolemite: you and me both 08:39 < xray> If Starlink works as promised, we could see the entire telecommunications industry upended. 08:40 < xray> With Internet everywhere, why do we need terrestrial cell phone towers? 08:45 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJGirITl6sE 08:45 < PigBot> I Tried Police Academy (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8gxsrwh 08:50 <@Dolemite> Supposedly it won't be able to handle < 100 ms latency 08:50 <@Dolemite> s/handle/provide 08:52 < xray> Starlink claims < 100 ms latency but I'll wait until there is public testing. We will eventually find out the truth. 08:56 <@Corydon76> xray: I see cost as a big factor in Starlink. For early adopters, it's likely to be pricey. 08:56 <@Corydon76> Once they get the full constellation deployed, they'll have more capacity to bring the price down, but it will still likely be at a premium price. 08:57 < xray> Compared to Comcast Business Class Internet? 08:57 <@Corydon76> Yeah, probably even compared to Comcast Business Internet 08:58 < xray> Do you know of any published prices? 08:58 <@Corydon76> I do not, no. 08:58 <@Corydon76> But we're likely to be looking at supply/demand pricing initially. That is, he's going to price it high initially to keep demand down. 08:59 <@Corydon76> Down to a level where they can handle the traffic. 08:59 < xray> Comacst wants $5000.00 to bring Internet 500 feet down the road to a building a block off main street Tucker, GA. 08:59 < xray> I suspect it will be cheaper than that. 08:59 <@Corydon76> That's a 1-time cost, though, right? 08:59 < xray> Yes 09:00 < xray> No other internet provider would even talk to us. 09:00 <@Corydon76> With that pricing, I'd be inclined to lease a tower within their coverage area, then do a PtP link to the building where you want service. 09:00 < xray> My AT&T cell tower is constantly going offline over the last few months. 09:01 <@Corydon76> Ubiquiti makes some nice equipment for PtP wireless links, as long as you have LoS. 09:01 < xray> I'm aware of remote links. I have installed microwave, laser, and WiFi remote links for commercial installs. 09:02 < xray> That isn't an option in this case. 09:02 < xray> I agree about the Ubiquiti equipment. It works great. I even use it at home. 09:03 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I do, as well. 09:03 < xray> I got tired of all the consumer grade equipment getting abandoned by the vendors. 09:04 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I do love that I can take discontinued equipment of theirs, upgrade the firmware, and integrate it into an existing network. 09:04 < xray> The consumer grade WiFi equipment is like all other IoT. Once shipped it never gets another patch. Multiple RCEs remain forever. 09:05 <@Corydon76> I do need to install some equipment on my main level, though. 5GHz doesn't work for shit through floors with 12-inch joists 09:08 <@opticron> I'm all aboard for the comcast burn fest 09:08 <@opticron> lob AT&T into that pyre of horrors, too 09:13 <@Corydon76> I'd be surprised if Starlink launched early adopters for less than $150/mo, plus equipment costs. That's not the final cost, mind you, just the thumb-in-the-air to gauge where to go from there. 09:14 <@Corydon76> There was some indication that they're looking at sub-$100 for general availability, but that was before they launched their first constellation. 09:14 < xray> My best guess $300 - $600 for the base station. $70 - $100 /month for service. 09:14 < xray> And that is a total pulled it out of thin air guess. 09:15 <@Corydon76> xray: that equipment/installation fee is much higher than what Musk gently suggested, which was in the $100-300 range. 09:18 <@Corydon76> The other issue that I'd likely have is that, given their licensed frequencies, I'm going to have problems with trees blocking signal. 09:20 <@Corydon76> "SpaceX proposes to operate in the 10.7-12.7 GHz, 13.85-14.5 GHz, 17.8-18.6 GHz, 18.8-19.3 GHz, 27.5-29.1 GHz, and 29.5-30 GHz bands." 09:20 < xray> I would love to do a beta test. 09:21 <@Dolemite> I'd personally love SpaceX's Starlink division to go fuck itself. It is already wreaking havoc on astrophotography, which I've gotten into lately. 09:21 <@Dolemite> But the problem is, they're not the only ones wanting to pollute the skies. Jeff Bezos has plans to launch his own fleet. 09:21 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: their modification of using black nonreflective coverings didn't ameliorate your objection? 09:22 <@opticron> Dolemite, don't forget about oneweb (assuming they make it out of bankruptcy intact) 09:22 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: It dampens the reflection, but doesn't eliminate it. Even so, it would create dark streaks on long exposures. 09:23 <@Dolemite> Plus it's not like they can launch into space and do a spacewalk to paint the thousands of satellites they already put in orbit. 09:23 <@Corydon76> Not thousands. 70. 09:24 <@opticron> uhhh, there are way more than 70 in orbit 09:24 <@Corydon76> And those 70 aren't designed to last more than 5 years before they're intentionally deorbited. 09:25 <@Corydon76> opticron: they only launch about 70 at a time, and I think they've only had 2 or 3 launches, only the first of which was extremely reflective. 09:25 <@opticron> they have launched 540 total 09:25 <@opticron> 3 have deorbited 09:25 <@opticron> they've done 9 launches 09:26 <@Corydon76> Ah, they've done more 09:26 <@Corydon76> But yeah, they're not designed to last more than a few years, and then they're intentionally deorbited. 09:26 <@opticron> yeah, they plan to cycle through them 09:27 <@Corydon76> So painting the ones that are extremely reflective isn't necessary. By the time they could get around to modifying all of them, their useful life will have ended, and they'll be destroyed upon reentry. 09:27 <@Dagmar> Even painted black they'll still be in the shot. 09:28 <@Corydon76> I don't deny that, but that's true for any satellite. 09:29 <@Corydon76> And yes, that means we'll have to do digital modification of long exposures to remove their tracks from the shots. 09:36 <@Dagmar> I think they should change color so the tracks will spell out "SPACE, BITCHES!" 09:39 <@opticron> Corydon76, looks like planned lifetime is 3-4 years and if stationkeeping fails, they'll come down in 1-5 anyway 09:42 <@opticron> and it looks like all starlink sats on the launch later this month will have the shads 09:42 <@opticron> *shades 09:44 < xray> https://satellitemap.space/ 09:44 < PigBot> starlink satellite map (at satellitemap.space) http://tinyurl.com/ybhkly3n 09:46 < xray> And it appears to be a real time map. 09:53 <@Evilpig> that's pretty neat 10:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de1] by ChanServ 10:17 -!- dc0de1 is now known as dc0de 10:46 <@Evilpig> did I miss the graphs showing the new cases in nashville are declining? since the mayor just announced we're moving to phase 3 opening on monday 10:48 <@Dolemite> InvisiGraph (tm) 10:50 <@Mirage> I think that's the one Trump uses too 10:52 <@Evilpig> https://www.tn.gov/health/cedep/ncov/data/epi-curves.html 10:52 < PigBot> Epi Curves (at www.tn.gov) http://tinyurl.com/y9f78q2t 10:54 <@Dagmar> No, they're doing it because they're just dumb 10:54 <@Dagmar> Cases aren't declining pretty much _anywhere_ in the US 10:55 <@Corydon76> Well, New York City... 10:55 <@Dagmar> Everyone's ignoring the CDC's recommendations that the number of new cases be in decline for two weeks 10:55 <@Dagmar> ...and our Mayor is just plain making it up as he goes along right now 10:56 <@Corydon76> On the plus side, this generally means the number of Republicans who go out and willingly get sick and die is going to spike before the election. 10:56 <@Dagmar> Like, "The hospitals aren't overflowing yet, so let's see if we can get away with pushing that curve up higher" 10:56 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: That's the one good thing 10:57 <@Corydon76> It's weird how wearing a mask in public has been a clear indication whether you're rational and willing to take advice for the government or irrational and desirous to subvert government suggestion at any cost to your own well-being. 10:58 <@Dagmar> There's a lot of lazy fuckin' rednecks here in Goodlettsville 10:58 <@Corydon76> There's a lot of them everywhere in Tennessee 10:58 <@Corydon76> It's going to take a lot of them dying to effect a change in the state. 10:59 <@Dagmar> I'm seriously considering taking advantage of the Cricut, going over to Jo-Anns and getting an infusible ink pen, and making a transfer I can stick on my mask that says, "WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING MASK, YOU FILTHY PLAGUE RAT?" 11:01 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: you see that Steve Anderson is stepping down? 11:01 <@Dagmar> I don't think it's going to matter all that much 11:01 <@Dagmar> THe reasons for people demanding it are pretty poorly thought-out 11:01 <@Corydon76> Of course not. 11:02 <@Dagmar> The citizens action board were fucking morons 11:02 <@Dagmar> "We'd like all the records for the past 10 years, in 30 days, in Word format" 11:02 <@Corydon76> Any chief of police leaving the position doesn't amount to anything other than a ceremonial passing of the torch 11:02 <@Dagmar> "You are not cooperating with us!!" 11:03 <@Dagmar> They should have just told IT "You may speak freely." 11:03 <@Corydon76> Interesting that it came right after the Council passed the 34% tax hike, probably to disrupt the news cycle 11:04 <@Dagmar> pun84: Ahem... --persist is a thing. I have no idea how you managed to avoid seeing it 11:04 <@Dagmar> fuckin shortbus complaining that firewalld isn't keeping his rules 11:04 <@Dagmar> It's not like every single goddamn tutorial doesn't throw --persist in there for every time they tell you to issue firewall-cmd 11:05 <@Corydon76> persist or permanent? 11:06 <@Dagmar> Gah... --permanent, not --persist 11:07 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@198.46.153.211] has joined #se2600 11:08 <@Dagmar> Still the new oversight board were just morons 11:09 <@Dagmar> They made requests that were very unreasonable and showed they had no clue what they were doing 11:09 <@Dagmar> I'd have given them the raw fuckin' database dumps and told them my hourly rate for doing bullshit data aggregation 11:10 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@198.46.153.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:12 <@Corydon76> It's government. You're not allowed to be helpful without approval from the mayor on down. 11:15 <@Corydon76> It's one of the things that I like about living in a small town with rich neighbors. The chain up to the mayor is shorter, and if I can't get something done, my neighbors know which heads to knock 11:15 <@Dagmar> Nothing and no one was going to get their requests resolved usefully in the time-frame they wanted 11:16 <@Dagmar> bertwert: Then you're probably going to be a little angry when you see nmtui 11:16 <@Dagmar> @#$@# 12:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de1] by ChanServ 12:28 -!- dc0de1 is now known as dc0de 13:06 <@Mirage> heh.. description of a subs level on Patreon: "I don't know what I'll do when/if I'll get to this number, and I don't want to say some bullshit because if I'll actually get to this number, I'll have to deliver said bullshit..." 13:07 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkjwfrnnwhdgkonc] has joined #se2600 13:16 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 13:19 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28 <@Evilpig> haha 13:31 <@Mirage> https://teespring.com/shop/if-it-ain-t-broke-i-ll-fix-it 13:31 < PigBot> If It Ain't Broke I'll Fix It Till It Is Products from TronicsFix | Teespring (at teespring.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7ou9lbq 14:17 <@Mirage> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/18/trump-campaign-runs-ads-with-marking-once-used-by-nazis-designate-political-prisoners/ 14:17 < PigBot> Facebook removes Trump ads with symbol once used by Nazis to designate political prisoners - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8zsplry 14:18 <@Mirage> "Red inverted triangle" is associated w/ Nazi's....tear down all red yeild signs now! 14:22 <@Mirage> 14. What is meant by family welfare centres? What is the symbol of family welfare in our country? 14:22 <@Mirage> Solution:- 14:22 <@Mirage> The inverted red triangle has become a popular sign in India for family welfare. It is prominently displayed at all such offices and hospitals where any help for advice about family planning is available free of cost. 14:24 <@Mirage> Red triangle...oh, no! Those welfare organizations must be run by fascist nazi communists! 14:28 -!- crashcart is now known as crashcartpro 15:23 <@Corydon76> Mirage: Red triangles were used to mark political prisoners within Nazi death camps. The symbol was used by the Nazis, yes, but the indication wasn't of a Nazi, but of a Nazi victim. 15:24 <@Corydon76> Similarly, the pink triangle was used for homosexuals, and two yellow triangles, at offsets, were used to mark Jews. 15:25 <@Corydon76> There were also combinations, such as yellow and pink, for Jewish homosexuals. 15:26 <@Corydon76> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge 15:26 < PigBot> Nazi concentration camp badge - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/nzgw9a5 15:29 <@Mirage> Corydon76: the point is that an upside down triangle is and has been used for a plethora of things, 99.999% of them completely and totally innocent, but yet the one bad connotation gets latched on to. 15:31 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I'll bite. Which meaning do you think the Trump campaign had in mind? 15:32 <@Corydon76> Keep in mind that Antifa has never been associated with a red triangle, so that's not a possible option. 15:32 <@Mirage> Once again, don't know...don't care. As much of a moron as he is, I'm inclined to believe the "it's just an emoji" excuse since, well...it _IS_ and emoji 15:33 <@Corydon76> You don't know, you don't care, but it was definitely not someone in the campaign evoking Nazi imagery... because.....? 15:33 <@Mirage> Given the current state of things, people are looking quite intently at everything and trying to assign the worst possible connotation to it 15:34 <@Mirage> Just like the "ropes i the park" that had been there for months were suddenly highly offensive symbols of hate 15:34 <@Corydon76> Maybe there's a Jew inside the Trump campaign that is trying to sabotage der Fuhrer's reelection campaign! 15:35 <@Mirage> The best thing for anyone to do to ruin Trumps campaign is to just let him do whatever he wants...he does a pretty good job of sabotaging himself on a daily basis 15:36 < xray> So, I can just use every graphic symbol in a post with a Nazi context and they will have to stop using all of them. This is the same thing the did for copyrighting melodies. Copyrighting all the melodies to avoid accidental infringement | Damien Riehl | TEDxMinneapolis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtm0MoOgiU 15:36 < PigBot> Copyrighting all the melodies to avoid accidental infringement | Damien Riehl | TEDxMinneapolis (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7bm8jk9 15:37 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I'm not convinced Trump is heading for an easy loss. I think there's still a chance that he could win, especially if he manages to charge up his base, at least the ones who don't die of coronavirus. 15:38 <@Corydon76> And unfortunately, the most excitable of his base also happen to have an intense dislike of groups that happen to coincide with a lot of people that the Nazis hated. 15:39 <@Mirage> With all his racist enflaming xenophobic actions and statements, I really don't think that using a symbol used by the nazi's is going to shake his die hard followers 15:40 < xray> I'm considering it a way to undermine the stupidity that is claiming any given symbol is aligned with evil permanently because someone in history once used it that way. 15:41 <@Corydon76> I don't think it was intended to dismay his supporters, but to excite them. 15:42 <@Corydon76> xray: I think you're more likely to feed the conspiracy theorists than to get symbols associated with Nazis. 15:42 < xray> I don't think it matters whether it is to dismay or exite. 15:43 < xray> The point is that it is pointless. 15:43 <@Mirage> ^ +++++ 15:43 <@Mirage> xray gets my point 15:43 < xray> So much energy spent tearing things down rather than building new things. 15:44 <@Mirage> But I do think we should go ahead and rip down all yeild signs anyway, just to be sure 15:44 <@Mirage> =) 15:44 < xray> LoL 15:50 <@opticron> as if the yield signs mean anything to anyone... 16:25 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@96.69.98.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@96.69.98.139] has joined #se2600 16:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76] by ChanServ 18:34 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@p54ac5d4e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:33 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has joined #se2600 19:33 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:33 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 19:37 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:49 < K`Tetch_> 09:52:56 «xray» Starlink claims < 100 ms latency but I'll wait until there is public testing. We will eventually find out the truth. <-- yeah, the FCC have demanded testing 21:49 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 21:50 < K`Tetch_> and i like yields, hate stops 21:51 < K`Tetch_> i drove all up and down the uk, i think i saw like 8 stop signs across the whole cotnry 21:51 < K`Tetch_> everythings a yield - its just like a stop, but you don't have to stop if you don't need to 23:08 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@198.46.153.211] has joined #se2600 23:10 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@198.46.153.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkjwfrnnwhdgkonc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Fri Jun 19 00:00:27 2020