--- Log opened Wed Jun 17 00:00:24 2020 00:56 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wpxptiizpuacqqrt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:48 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 02:49 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 05:02 -!- ZachGibbens [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 05:04 -!- ZachGibbens [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Client Quit] 05:06 -!- ZachGibbens [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 07:28 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@p200300d267015981a59eecefb20aef01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #se2600 07:38 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@p200300d267015981a59eecefb20aef01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@p54ac5d4e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #se2600 08:52 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 08:56 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:03 <@Mirage> Wife was joking last night tht with all the crazy going on she's just waiting for someone to remember that Arlington Nat'l Cemetary was once Robert E. Lee's house and decide that it offends them and needs to be torn down. 09:07 <@Corydon76_> Considering it essentially already was, when it was renamed... 09:07 <@Evilpig> There is now a call for them to start renaming streets in nashville. Somoene got butt hurt yesterday about Forrest drive leading up to Cheekwood 09:07 <@Corydon76_> Funny how we didn't forget the history when it became Arlington National Cemetery. 09:08 <@Dagmar> History doesn't mean shit to most of these people 09:08 <@Dagmar> They want there to be a clear-cut good guy, and for the other guy to be satan 09:08 <@Dagmar> That way they can pat themselves on the back for being on the side of "good guys" and demonize everyone else 09:09 <@Dagmar> Fucking morons 09:10 <@Dagmar> Someone in teh confederacy could have saved their little village from being burned to the ground by Lee and they won't care 09:10 <@Dagmar> They'll only see that the person was a part of the confederacy so they must be an asshole, and whatever they did to protect their friends and neighbors doesn't mean shit 09:11 <@Corydon76_> Dagmar: burned to the ground by Grant? 09:11 <@Corydon76_> I don't think Lee was in the business of burning villages down. 09:12 <@Dagmar> I know he wasn't 09:12 <@Corydon76_> Grant, however, did it to break the back of the South. 09:12 <@Dagmar> "War crimes" weren't a thing then 09:13 <@Dagmar> My point is that there's a _glut_ of people who dont' give a rat's ass for history 09:13 <@Dagmar> They're butt hurt, they want an enemy, and they're going to demonize and villify anyone they think can be declared to be part of "the enemy" 09:14 <@Mirage> Or at least for the bits of history that they don't like or don't align with their curent objectives. 09:14 <@Dagmar> So, if Lee were to turn on his own people, and one of those people fought him off but was still a part of the confederacy, they wouldn't fuckin' care 09:14 <@Dagmar> They just want to virtue signal so they can feel good about themselves for a few minutes 09:15 <@Corydon76_> If the statues went up immediately after the end of the War, or right after the deaths of those individuals, I'd have less of a problem with them. 09:16 <@Corydon76_> The problem is that that's not when they went up. They went up in the early 1900s, usually funded by the Klan, as a giant fuck you to the black residents. 09:16 <@Corydon76_> And as long as they remain up, they remain Klan-funded statues that are effectively a giant middle finger to black residents. 09:17 <@Dagmar> You may note that Mirage was just talking about _streets_ not statues 09:17 <@Dagmar> ...and I have yet to see anyone bothering to check when a statue was actually put up. 09:17 <@Corydon76_> The naming had the same purpose 09:17 <@Evilpig> that was me, not mirage 09:17 <@Dagmar> They always just say "But the statues were put up by the klan in the 50's" and that's all the thinking they can be bothered to do 09:17 <@Mirage> Yeah, I mentioned Arlington Nat'l Cemetary. 09:18 <@Corydon76_> It's not the General E Lee National Cemetery. 09:19 <@Corydon76_> But by all rights, it could have been 09:19 <@Dagmar> ...and people are still going to be pinhead assholes about it. 09:19 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/maps/SwVHBBPvddvJvvc38 09:19 <@Corydon76_> Except that Robert E Lee actually opposed it. 09:19 <@Mirage> No, but it was his plantation which was seized because he was a traitor and used by the union. 09:20 <@Dagmar> Probably the only reason they're not already yelling about it, is that there's a bunch of unusually level-headed people with guns who understand perfectly well why it has the name it does 09:21 <@Corydon76_> Why would they be yelling about Arlington? 09:21 <@Dagmar> Because there are civil war veterans buried there 09:21 <@Corydon76_> So? 09:21 <@Dagmar> Both Union _and_ Confederate 09:22 <@Corydon76_> I don't see why you think they'd have a problem with that. It's a cemetery. 09:22 <@Mirage> The washington monument was built by slaves..they should tear that down 09:22 <@Evilpig> how many times in the past 5 years has the nashville city cemetery been vandalized? 09:22 <@Dagmar> It happens a couple times every year 09:22 <@Mirage> as well as just about every historic plantation house still standing, and pretty much everything else from colonial times. 09:22 <@Dagmar> Usually just because the area is kinda economically depressed 09:23 <@Dagmar> You only have to go about two blocks from it to find your very own mentally handicapped stripper 09:23 <@Evilpig> They have a problem with anyplace or thing remotely related to the confederacy 09:23 < aestetix> what was the ministry in 1984 that did all the renaming? 09:23 <@Corydon76_> So in your mind, vandalism is a sign that someone wants the cemetery torn down? 09:23 <@Dagmar> Ministry of Truth? 09:23 < aestetix> Dagmar: maybe 09:23 <@Evilpig> they torn the headstones down! 09:23 < aestetix> it's been too long since I rea dit 09:23 <@Evilpig> yes! 100% yes! they want it gone 09:23 <@Mirage> Corydon76_: read what I originally posted 09:24 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: I did. Your wife made an idle suggestion. 09:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 09:24 <@Mirage> joke.. 09:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76_: What kind of bullshit is that 09:25 <@Dagmar> "In your mind" 09:25 <@Dagmar> If someone splashes paint all over a statue, they sure as fuck don't mean to honor it 09:25 <@Corydon76_> Dagmar: do you have any evidence that any civil rights organization is calling for the removal of a cemetery? 09:25 <@Dagmar> When someoen starts kicking over headstones, it's generally _not_ just a means of crushing some weeds 09:26 <@Dagmar> If you want to make dumbass arguments, save them for your neighbors 09:26 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 09:26 <@Corydon76_> I think you're assuming that there's meaning in kicking over headstones, and not just some random teenager doing something disrespectful. 09:26 <@Dolemite> Oh, hell, what the fuck did I walk into? 09:26 <@Dagmar> I think you're very conveniently ignoreing the painted statues I just mentioned 09:27 <@Mirage> Corydon76_: The comment/joke from my wife stemmed from some article she was reading where ppl were wanting to remove a civil war battleground and cemetary because it was offensive. I couldn't tell you where it was or where she saw it. 09:27 <@Corydon76_> We had a big stone in my hometown that got repainted several times a week. That tradition continued just because. 09:28 <@Dagmar> I am not even going to waste my time dealing with the limp-wristed No True Scotsmen bullshit 09:28 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: I'd love to know which one. 09:28 <@Corydon76_> Dagmar: This isn't a fallacy. You're assuming motivation without evidence. 09:28 <@Corydon76_> THAT is a fallacy. 09:29 < aestetix> so Dolemite .... how about that sports team? 09:29 <@Evilpig> https://apnews.com/60c28d9994734c1badb5f07ff123a3f2/Graffiti-found-on-Nashville-cemetery%27s-Confederate-obelisk 09:29 <@Dagmar> I've been to NCC enough times to see the clear pattern that whoeevr did it on two occasions did it because it was a confederate soldier's grave 09:29 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has joined #se2600 09:29 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:29 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 09:30 <@Corydon76_> Dagmar: and you know it was hate for the soldier and not simply a schoolhouse dare, because.....????? 09:30 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 09:30 <@Dagmar> Ah... _that's_ the reason Mt. Olivet is no longer open 24 hours 09:30 <@Dagmar> Before then they didn't have hours at all 09:30 <@Dagmar> They eventually put a sign up saying so 09:30 <@Dagmar> ...and then some tossers did that, so they changed it 09:31 <@Corydon76_> Yeah, most cemeteries have a dawn-dusk hours policy because of random vandalism. 09:31 <@Corydon76_> Then, the police have cause to arrest anybody on the grounds after dark. 09:32 <@Corydon76_> Hopefully before they vandalize another gravesite. 09:32 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:32 <@Mirage> As to "Forrest" from earlier, since some misinformed people are pushing to have Gone with the Wind banned, maybe they should go for Forrest Gump as well. I mean, hell, it even states in the movie that he was named for his ancestor who "started up some club" 09:33 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: I didn't see anything about anybody having the movie banned, just one service that decided to pull it from their offerings. Then it came back a week later with some footage tacked onto the beginning. 09:34 <@Mirage> or, going by some of the funny shit I've been seeing, they should rename it "Dolly Gump" a 09:36 <@Mirage> Corydon76_: Ok, sorry..it should be pulled from all streaming/tv services until a disclaimer is added explaining the historical context. 09:36 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: but that is the service's complete right to do. They're not altering the movie. 09:37 <@Corydon76_> Suddenly we're against private property rights when it comes to old movies? 09:37 <@Corydon76_> And nobody called for them to do it. They did it all on their own. 09:38 <@Dagmar> Or, people could spend their time getting rid of corrupt polticians instead of fucking around with the useless virtue signalling 09:38 <@Mirage> https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/queen-latifah-wants-gone-with-the-wind-gone-for-good-on-hbo-max/ 09:38 < PigBot> Queen Latifah wants 'Gone With the Wind' gone for good on HBO Max (at nypost.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydggzkev 09:38 <@Dagmar> Getting rid of one fascist dickbag will do more good than tearing down a dozen pieces of sculpted rock 09:39 <@Corydon76_> What's the point of getting rid of corrupt politicians if you can't get rid of the corrupt works they put in place while they were in office? 09:39 <@Dagmar> Tearing down sculptures won't accomplish shit 09:39 <@Corydon76_> Or the works they were protecting in office that their corrupt granddaddy put in place? 09:40 <@Corydon76_> So you're opposed to tearing down statues, because they don't mean anything to you? 09:40 <@Dagmar> They want easy kills because sculpture can't fight back 09:41 <@Corydon76_> They do mean things to others. They were intended as insults, and they're taken as insults. 09:42 -!- K`Tetch [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has joined #se2600 09:42 -!- K`Tetch [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:42 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 09:46 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48 <@Dolemite> Well, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/business/aunt-jemima-logo-change/index.html 09:48 < PigBot> The Aunt Jemima brand, acknowledging its racist past, will be retired - CNN (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya33txtm 09:48 <@Dolemite> But dammit, Aunt Jemima made for some good pancakes 09:53 <@Corydon76_> Dolemite: you don't buy authentic maple syrup for your pancakes? 09:53 <@Dolemite> No, I'm cheap 09:53 <@Dolemite> Not that I've made pancakes in quite a while 09:54 <@Evilpig> I have two kids in the house, I have a jug of the good stuff for us, and cheap corn syrup for them to drown their plates with 09:54 <@Dolemite> The rest of the house likes to sleep late 09:55 <@Corydon76_> I generally make pancakes on the weekends, and then gussy them up with high-protein additions, like almond flour, milk, and eggs. 09:56 <@Mirage> I gussy mine up with a health dose of butter and syrup 09:56 <@Mirage> er, healthy 09:56 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: maple syrup or imitation syrup? 09:56 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I do go for real butter 09:57 <@Dolemite> Damn. Now I want pancakes. 09:57 <@Corydon76_> Only butter I use is on the pan, to keep it from sticking. 09:57 <@Dolemite> Well good for you 09:57 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: you're 15 minutes from the pancake capital of the world 09:57 <@Dolemite> Gimme my butter! 09:58 <@Evilpig> even with all the social distancing I think you can still find a seat 09:58 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I'm 45 minutes, plus the cost and wait time 09:58 <@Dolemite> I'm only 5 minutes from the INTERNATIONAL House of Pancakes 09:59 <@Dolemite> Where I can get the harvest grain and nut pancakes, which are my favorite, but I can't make at home due to the wife's allergies 09:59 <@Mirage> https://www.amazon.com/Amish-Wedding-Syrup-Butter-Bottles/dp/B07Z87H4V8/ref=sr_1_1 09:59 < PigBot> Amazon.com : Amish Wedding Syrup Butter Pecan (2 Bottles) : Grocery & Gourmet Food (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd7a4v8n 09:59 <@Mirage> I don't buy it from amazon, I just linked from there 10:00 <@Evilpig> I think I might have pigbot more stable now. let's see 10:00 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 10:12 <@Corydon76_> http://mta.li/fuzz 10:20 <@Evilpig> looks like I need to fix the logging on that again, but it can wait til I get back from the store 10:31 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Pick me up some Aunt Jemima syrup and pancake mix 10:38 <@Corydon76_> Anybody know if Nashville 2600 pre-signed a contract for October for PhreakNIC? Might be a good idea to cancel that contract, if so. 10:40 <@Mirage> Watermelon and Grape Soda also has a racist stigma..they should probably be renamed or erradicated as well 10:41 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I have pancake mix in the pantry like a good adult with a well stocked kitchen 10:43 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: And a pack of KOOL smokes 10:44 <@Mirage> Oh and fried chicken....down with the Colonel! 10:44 <@Dolemite> Don't you fuckin' take away my fried chicken! 10:50 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwldqlhntmbefgdb] has joined #se2600 11:23 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: you know why it has a racist stigma, right? 11:27 < aestetix> I miss fried chicken 11:28 <@Mirage> no, and frankly i don't give a shit 11:28 < jb7od> Corydon76: Which one? 11:31 <@Corydon76_> Minstrel shows 11:32 <@Corydon76_> Shows in which white people put on black face and pretended to be stupid black people. 11:33 <@Corydon76_> There's nothing wrong with the food; it was the minstrel shows that were the problem, and we got rid of those half a century ago. 11:52 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@198.46.153.211] has joined #se2600 11:53 <@Mirage> Back to stupidly banning things, I thnk that the book "Black Like Me" should top the list because even though it was a book written by a white reporter to expose the plight of black's in the early 1900s, he wore black face in order to exerience life as a black man in order to do his research 11:54 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@198.46.153.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:59 <@Corydon76_> He didn't wear blackface. He took a drug that temporarily darkened his skin color. Also, his usage of the drug is suspected to have played a part in his early death from cancer. 12:00 <@Mirage> Haven't read it since I was in junior high when it was assigned to my class, but we were told he wore black face. 12:01 <@Corydon76_> Nope, he took a drug called Methoxsalen. It's even written into the early chapters. 12:02 <@Corydon76_> Towards the end of his journey, he stopped taking the drug, and experimented in exactly the same locations between wearing light-colored clothing (which made his appear black) and dark-colored clothing (which made him appear white). 12:05 <@Corydon76_> He also shaved his head for the experiment, because his hair was a dead giveaway that he wasn't actually black. 13:34 <@Mirage> offroad electric unicycle?! https://x-offroad.com/super-ride-s1000-1000w-electric-unicycle.html 14:22 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 32 nicks [16 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 14:29 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 14:37 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37 <@Mirage> Wife decided to make up some strawberries for putting on shortcake, which i normally do. 14:37 <@Mirage> she's in there cutting them and not liking how tedious it is, so she asked if i wanted to help. 14:38 <@Evilpig> lol 14:38 <@Evilpig> I have some of those in the freezer ready to go 14:38 <@Mirage> I said, "Not really"..so she said "But I might not be doing it right." 14:38 <@Mirage> I said, "probably not" 14:38 <@Mirage> =) 14:38 <@opticron> lol 14:38 <@Mirage> Then she called me an asshole 14:38 <@opticron> just use an egg slicer? 14:38 <@Mirage> if we had one 14:39 <@Mirage> i always just slice them thin with a paring knife 14:40 <@Corydon76_> Every egg slicer I've ever had has been notoriously unsuited for anything other than eggs. 14:41 <@Evilpig> cheese 14:41 <@Evilpig> egg slicers handle cheese pretty well 14:41 <@Evilpig> you just have to want little pieces. :D 14:41 <@opticron> only soft cheese 14:41 <@Corydon76_> I do have an electric spinning blade slicer that I use for meat and tomatoes. I bet it would slice strawberries thinly, though. 14:42 <@Mirage> we have a mandoline style slicer, but they aren't the best for softer/smaller things like strawberries. I personally only use it when I'm slicing up 5+ lbs of cucumbers for making pickles. 14:42 <@opticron> yeah, I have something like that I use for hashbrowns 14:42 <@opticron> I won't own a mandolin style slicer, my wife would remove too many of her fingers 14:43 <@Corydon76_> They don't remove fingers efficiently, just fingertips. 14:43 <@Mirage> Yeah, I bought my wife a pair of cutting gloves, which she refuses to wear, for that very reason 14:43 <@opticron> you would say "but it only takes thin slices" and I say: she's persistent and clumsy 14:44 <@Corydon76_> I dunno, last time I removed skin, that stopped me pretty quickly. 14:45 <@Corydon76_> The guard on the spinning slicer is a very useful feature. 14:45 <@opticron> the one I have, you put the items in the top and there's a plunger you use to push things into the slicer 14:46 <@Corydon76_> I just wish the blade was affixed a little better. 14:46 <@Corydon76_> When I try to slice something a little harder, the blade occasionally slips out. 14:46 <@opticron> I haven't had that problem with mine 14:46 <@Corydon76_> You don't know panic until a spinning blade comes out at you. 14:47 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 14:47 <@Corydon76_> opticron: you know the meat cutters like they have at Jimmy John's? 14:47 <@Corydon76_> Mine's a consumer version of that. 14:48 <@Corydon76_> Or at the grocery store deli counter 14:48 <@Mirage> I have one of those..dunno about yours, but mine's junk. I got it for free and think I still paid too much for it. 14:49 <@opticron> Corydon76_, mine is nothing like that and yes, that sounds not so much fun 14:50 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: it works for some uses. It's not terrible, but yes, it's not exactly what I wanted. I wanted something like the commercial versions. 15:11 -!- Dolemite_ [~scott@h69-131-146-18.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 15:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite_] by ChanServ 15:12 -!- aestetix_ [~aestetix@phalse.2600.com] has joined #se2600 15:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @Dolemite, aestetix 15:25 <@Mirage> our director (formerly mgr until recently) is having a meeting to go through the results he got for our team from the supposedly anonymous "Tell Dell" survey that was sent out earlier this year...and is suprised when no one wants to speak out about any of the points he was scored lower in 15:27 <@Evilpig> we've got that coming up too 15:27 <@Evilpig> for some reason our group always gets asked "why do you feel that this survey won't have any effect"? 15:34 <@Evilpig> https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/uncle-bens-follows-aunt-jemima-in-move-to-phase-out-racial-stereotypes-in-logos/article_32ab1a6c-b0cc-11ea-b8f7-972b90f4c530.html 15:34 < PigBot> Uncle Ben's follows Aunt Jemima in move to phase out racial stereotypes in logos | News | WPSD Local 6 (at www.wpsdlocal6.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7sydxb4 15:34 <@Evilpig> who called that? 15:39 < aestetix_> you know 15:39 < aestetix_> the more the left pushes this, the more people are going to get pissed off and vote for trump 16:12 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:13 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 16:36 < K`Tetch> no, aestetix_, thats not whats going to happen 16:36 < K`Tetch> you are not the general public, odn't project your actions onto the wide populace 16:40 < K`Tetch> also, just tried replacing a cable, maybe my net will e more stable now --- Log closed Thu Jun 18 00:00:25 2020