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05:54 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:23 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: Have you seen this?  https://time.com/3848666/nebraska-woman-sues-gays/
06:23 < PigBot> Nebraska Woman Sues All Gay People—Yes All, of Them | Time (at time.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybl59zq6
06:25  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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06:54 <@Mirage> How's this for crazy.   Ordered parts from partswarehouse.com on 12/31/19.  They called me and said that part of my order was not in stock and asked if it would be OK to split shipment or if it should wait until everything was in stock.  I told them to just ship what they had.
06:55 <@Mirage> First half was send out and arrived on Jan 15th.
06:56 <@Mirage> I got an email yesterday that they had shipped the remainder....should be here today or tomorrow.
07:08 <@Dolemite> Nah, it wasn't coming from China...   no way...   you're dreaming
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07:35 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: dismissed for lack of standing: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=16396974359870480566&hl=en&as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr
07:35 < PigBot> Driskell v. Homosexuals, 533 BR 281 - Dist. Court, D. Nebraska 2015 - Google Scholar (at scholar.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb4mnqxa
07:41 <@Dolemite> Well that was an obvious outcome, but you still didn't answer whether you'd already seen a report about it :P
07:41 <@Corydon76> Yes, I saw it when it came out, 5 years ago
07:42 <@Dolemite> Oh.   Heh.
07:43 <@Corydon76> Apparently it just recently resurfaced as a meme, where people post pictures of fictional lawyers, with the caption, "I've lawyered up; have you?"
07:45 < aestetix> Like Saul Goodmann?
07:47 <@Corydon76> Probably, though he's not cited in this article: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/20/sylvia-driskell-nebraska-woman-sues-gay-people-homosexuals-lawyer-up/
07:47 < PigBot> Sylvia Driskell: Nebraska woman who sued all gay people goes viral (at www.pinknews.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/ycesa9ov
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08:21 <@Mirage> Dolemite: See this?  https://www.looper.com/215711/the-mystery-that-has-bothered-doctor-who-fans-for-years/
08:21 < PigBot> The mystery that has bothered Doctor Who fans for years (at www.looper.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7w5n3tt
08:37 <@Dolemite> not yet
08:51 <@Evilpig> I was reading that this morning
08:56 <@Evilpig> anyone ever used this before?  https://www.mailcleaner.org/
08:56 < PigBot> MailCleaner - Open source Anti spam & Antivirus gateway - Email Filter (at www.mailcleaner.org) http://tinyurl.com/y7k3mrkt
09:02 <@Mirage> Evilpig: nah, I still use dspam
09:04 <@Evilpig> dspam never worked for me since I was using it as a milter.  this was just interesting since it is an ova that combines the learning type of functionality from dspam along with rbl support and supposedly grey listing too
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09:07 <@Mirage> sendmail does rbi just fine
09:08 <@Mirage> er, rbl...  grr
09:08 <@Dolemite> rbl + dmarc pretty much takes care of it
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09:11 <@Mirage> INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`opendkim', `S=inet:8891@127.0.0.1')
09:11 <@Mirage> INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`opendmarc', `S=inet:8893@127.0.0.1')
09:11 <@Mirage> dnl# Enable Mail Blacklists
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09:11 < PigBot> SBL - IP Spam Filter - The Spamhaus Project (at www.spamhaus.org) http://tinyurl.com/y5mtr4
09:11 <@Mirage> FEATURE(`dnsbl', `bl.spamcop.net', `"550 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} " refused - see http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml"')dnl
09:11 < PigBot> SpamCop.net - Blocking List ( bl.spamcop.net ) (at spamcop.net) http://tinyurl.com/5ufgq
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09:11 <@Mirage> MAILER(procmail)dnl
09:11 <@Mirage> MAILER(smtp)dnl
09:11 <@Mirage> CipherList=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:AES128-GCM-SHA256:AES256-SHA256:AES128-SHA256:AES256-SHA:AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256
09:11 <@Mirage> O ServerSSLOptions=+SSL_OP_NO_SSLv2 +SSL_OP_NO_SSLv3 +SSL_OP_NO_TLSv1 +SSL_OP_CIPHER_SERVER_PREFERENCE
09:11 <@Mirage> O ClientSSLOptions=+SSL_OP_NO_SSLv2 +SSL_OP_NO_SSLv3 +SSL_OP_NO_TLSv1
09:12 <@Mirage> Between all that, I don't get much spam actually delivered to me.  dspam normally runs ~97% accuracy on whatever does get past rbl/dmarc/dkim/spf
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09:27 <@Dagmar> "has bothered Doctor Who fans for years"... No, it hasn't.  It's bothered people who were too high to keep up with the plot, and folks who only saw a couple of episodes.
09:27 <@Dagmar> For everyone else, it's been utterly transparent and not at all linkbaity bullshit
09:27 <@dc0de> OFF Topic Question: Has anyone here ever used or evaluated Exabeam.com products?
09:31 <@Evilpig> nope
09:32 <@Mirage> Dagmar: the nugget in there was that previously he never confirmed it, because it would spoil the fun...but now finally has.
09:33 <@Dagmar> They fuckin' all but wrote it on a bill-board in the videos
09:33 <@Dagmar> Do they really need to break the fourth wall and have someone just speak directly to the viewer about it?
09:34 <@Dagmar> dengi: Umount the thumbdrive.  Period.  This isn't a message you "overcome"
09:34 <@Mirage> It was obvious, but it was also an assumption.
09:34 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
09:35 <@Dagmar> So is an "assumption" that Gallifrey even exists, although frequently it doesn't actually exist, and you almost never see it
09:35 <@Dagmar> Science Fiction tends to require brainpower and possibly a small amoun to attention to the plot to keep up
09:37 <@Mirage> You are completely missing the point.  The point was that until it was confirmed, it was an assumption...and therefore valid for debate if two people that met up had differing opinions.  Davies had never confirmed before because he saw it as 'spoiling all the fun.'
09:38 <@Dagmar> It's sci-fi.  Anything not explicitly stated is up for retconning at any given moment
09:38 <@Dagmar> Just the same, if you couldn't figure it out, I'd be shocked
09:38 <@Mirage> Regardless of how obvious something may appear, until proven a fact is it really just an assumption.
09:38 <@Dagmar> They gave *plenty* of "clues" in multiple episodes
09:38 <@Dagmar> Like, it wasn't something that was just mentioned once and left alone
09:39 <@Dagmar> I suppose then it's not a fact that the characters go pee pee
09:39 <@Dagmar> I mean, we never see it, and they never talk about it
09:39 <@Mirage> And there have never been clues that point to something making it seem obvious, only to later be countermanded by a plot twist?
09:39 <@Dagmar> The article is linkbait crap.  Deal with it.
09:40 <@Dagmar> FFS Jack himself described in detail the process
09:42 <@Mirage> It's like corydon and I debating about the media and the role that they play in a bunch of fucked up shit that happens.  To me when you look at the big picture it's obvious what the real agenda of corporate owned media is, but corydon has a different opinion...and likely thinks I should start wearing a tin foil hat.
09:43 <@Mirage> https://zapatopi.net/afdb/afdbdiagram.pdf
09:43 < PigBot> None (at zapatopi.net) http://tinyurl.com/yapoyxbp
09:44 <@dc0de> https://static.pxlecdn.com/photos/306200928/original/126c389755ed8d234079.mp4
09:44 <@dc0de> Here's a baby black bear climbing a tree.
09:44 < PigBot> None (at static.pxlecdn.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8wczbql
09:45 <@Dagmar> Reminder: Tinfoil Kevin actually did have super-powers
09:45 <@Mirage> dc0de: was that your version of "oh look, a bicycle!"
09:45 <@Mirage> ?
09:46 <@dc0de> Mirage: would it be as effective if I said Yes?
09:46 <@Mirage> well, i assume it is, but until you confirm it then we can just debate about it.  =P
09:47 <@Dagmar> "Ten Easter Eggs that prove Jack Harness is The Face Of Boh!  The fifth one will shock you!"
09:47 <@dc0de> Well, the first question would be, Is it effective?
09:47 <@Dagmar> Actually, I think it was more like six, and I think the last one was put in there for the mentally handicapped.
09:48 <@Mirage> dc0de: you obviously underestimate either the tenacity or the multi-tasking capability of the audience
09:48 <@Dagmar> THey don't normally have a character stop what they're doing to give a minute-long exposition
09:48 <@Dagmar> People who couldn't figure it out were dumb
09:48 <@dc0de> Well, the 2nd question, who thought the bear was cute?
10:03 <@dc0de> Mirage: so, did it work?
10:03 <@dc0de> I'm gonna go with yes.
10:05 <@Mirage> no.  didn't watch it
10:06 <@Mirage> otherwise distracted with zoom meetings and researching the best methods to fix the ventilation in my attic
10:07 <@dc0de> Oh, attic ventilation?
10:08 <@dc0de> Mirage: pm
10:09 <@Mirage> In the afternoon it regularly gets to 125+ just a 3' or so from the attic floor over the garage where the temp sensor is, so I'm sure if it was higher then it would record 135+.
10:09 <@dc0de> and do you have a fan in the attic today?
10:10 <@Mirage> Added a solar/electric fan which did no good.  this morning I pulled the painted over and largely obstructed soffet vents only to discover that over half of them are blocked by the insulation over the vaulted ceilings, which is not blow-in.
10:11 <@dc0de> do you have a vent at the peak?
10:12 <@Mirage> So the main issue right now is that the roof "can't breathe".  The area of openings for all of the vents is grossly insufficient for the space (~2500 sq ft) given that over half are blocked by insulation.
10:12 <@dc0de> #rooflivesmatter
10:12 <@Mirage> dc0de: yes there are ridge vents.
10:12 <@dc0de> I would look at installing a high flow fan at the ridge vents.
10:12 <@Mirage> But if there's not sufficient ventilation from the soffets then they are worthless.
10:13 <@Mirage> I just added a solar/electric fan.
10:13 <@dc0de> If you put the fans in place, the airflow will come from the soffets, it will pull the insulation UP where there is supposed to be airflow.
10:13 <@Mirage> It making little/no difference is what initiated further investigation.
10:13 <@dc0de> what's the volume of the space and the speed of the fan?
10:14 <@Mirage> It's rated for 2500 sq ft.
10:14 <@Mirage> House is actually a little under 2300 sq ft
10:16 <@Mirage> https://remingtonsolar.com/products/remington-solar-attic-fan-30-watt-black/
10:16 < PigBot> Remington Solar Attic Fan 30 Watt BLACK – Remington Solar (at remingtonsolar.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9a3n478
10:17 <@dc0de> How far down off the peak is the fan?
10:17 <@Mirage> The specs listed there don't agree with the documentation that came with it.
10:17 <@dc0de> Oh?
10:17 <@Mirage> About 2', as recommended.
10:18 <@Mirage> Yeah, the specs on that page are below the specs that came with it
10:18 <@dc0de> Yeah, if your soffets are clogged, you're only pulling air out at the peak, and the incoming air from the peak vents will just go 2" up and out.
10:18 <@Mirage> right
10:18 <@dc0de> In your case, cleaning the soffets, and possibly closing off the peak vents, will make your system more efficient.
10:19 <@dc0de> Let all the airflow go from soffet to fan.
10:20 <@Mirage> it's not that they are 'clogged' because the ones not cut right next to a vaulted ceiling are open.  it's because whoever decided where to place them was an idiot and put vents in locations that they had to know would be blocked by standard roll insulation.
10:20 <@dc0de> arg...
10:21 <@Dagmar> Or, it could be they expected whoever did hte insulating to understand how a knife works
10:21 <@dc0de> so you have to cut through to make air flow.... ?
10:21 <@Mirage> I already cut some on the north side of the house to a larger size.  Need to pull the rest of the painted over covers off, see how many aren't blocked, then tally the aggregate size of the openings.
10:22 <@dc0de> I would still consider closing the Peak vents.
10:24 <@Mirage> dc0de: easier said than done...from the inside anyway.  It's probably 12-15' to the peak up in the attic.   Would have to go buy some plywood to have something to put a ladder on to be able to reach
10:25 <@Evilpig> Mirage: that's crazy talk, just balance the feet of the ladder on the exposed beams and be sure to set up a camera stream for us before you climb
10:26 <@Dagmar> You should probably get the plywood _anyway_
10:26 <@Evilpig> a second camera in the room below the ladder too just so you can prove it was safe
10:26 <@dc0de> Hell, just use an extension ladder, and put some nails in a joist to keep you from sliding out.
10:26 <@Dagmar> The worst that can happen is that the plywood acts as extra insulation
10:27 <@dc0de> but I definately agree with Dagmar, you need to setup a cam for us to watch first.
10:27 <@Dagmar> No that was Pig's idea
10:27 <@Dagmar> ...although I would definitely watch such a stream
10:27 <@dc0de> derp... sorry, I agree with the Pig.
10:28 <@Mirage> I keep intending to go buy a bunch of studs and build a raised walkway so that I don't have to keep kicking around the insulation to find rafters to walk on.
10:29 <@Evilpig> everyone is in agreement, set up a camera and nut up. :D
10:30 <@dc0de> Mirage, just purchase some 4x8 x1/2 CDX Plywood, and rip it into strips, lay that down over the joists, and *poof*, instant walkway.
10:30 <@Mirage> Might use this as an excuse to do that.  Probably at some point I'll be putting the foil stuff up there too.  It's pretty much standard on all new construction in TX now and makes a HUGE difference.
10:31 <@Mirage> dc0de: the blow-in insulation is ~14-16" deep
10:31 <@Evilpig> you can tinfoil your house?!  so that way you keep the brain scanners from getting to anyone in the house and you don't have to explain to visitors why they should be putting on their own hats?  that seems like a no-brainer
10:33 <@Corydon76> The problem is that it's no longer common tin foil, which deflects signals, and instead is aluminum foil, which focuses signal.
10:34 < K`Tetch_> i'd avoid the blow-in insulation myself
10:35 <@Mirage> K`Tetch_: avoid it as in don't use it, or avoid it as in don't mash it down with strips of plywood for a walkway.
10:39 < K`Tetch_> dnon't use it
10:39 <@Mirage> dc0de: one handy tip I got from my neighbor the contractor was to use my leaf blower to blow back insulation blocking the soffets instead of trying to knock it back with a board or crawling up in the attic and moving it around.
10:40 < K`Tetch_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hh5MYv7lWc
10:40 <@Mirage> K`Tetch_: was already in the house, so not much I can do about it unless I get someone to come clean it all out and reinsulate
10:40 <@Dagmar> WEAR A MASK FOR THAT
10:40 < PigBot> YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9rnb6r8
10:40 < K`Tetch_> ah
10:40 < K`Tetch_> i thought you had roll-in
10:42 <@Mirage> Dagmar: yeah, good fucking luck buying an appropriate mask to wear...they are all 'prioritized for frontline healthcare workers'... fuck allergy sufferers, painters, woodworkers, etc that normally bought and used them BEFORE the world went crazy.
10:43 <@Mirage> K`Tetch_: they used roll-in between the vaulted ceilings in some of the rooms and the roof, all the rest is blown-in
10:46 <@Mirage> So on the north side of the house there are 7 vents, of those only 2 are completely open and one is ~ half open, the rest are blocked.
10:47 <@Mirage> Couple that with the fact that whoever painted the house last did a good job of half-sealing the vents with paint and you get little to no airflow to feed the existing ridge vents or the fan I added
10:50 <@Dagmar> You can improvise, or you can just inhale all the things
10:50 <@Dagmar> I know which thing I'd be doing
10:51 <@Mirage> paying someone else to do it?
10:51 <@Mirage> =)
10:51 <@Dagmar> If they have the mask, sure
10:52 <@Mirage> I've got the mask to use these: https://www.amazon.com/3M-Cartridge-60926-Respiratory-Protection/dp/B009POHLRC
10:52 < PigBot> 3M Multi Gas/Vapor Cartridge/Filter 60926, P100 Respiratory Protection (Pack of 2 individual cartridges): Safety Respirator Cartridges And Filters: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/u33mtym
10:53 < aestetix> I started watching this godawful show Hoarders
10:54 <@Mirage> Normally I wear that when I'm working with fine dust or vapors, but I can't get replacement cartridges for it now unless I go to ebay and spend 10x or more the normal price.
10:58 <@Evilpig> that just gave me the mental image of you in a southern belle dress waiving your hand saying "I've got the vapors"
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11:23 <@Corydon76> aestetix: do you not have a garden you can tend to?
11:24 <@Corydon76> These reality TV shows are the dregs of society.  There are more productive things you can do.
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11:28 <@Mirage> https://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/this-is-the-worst-masquerade-party-ever-mask
11:28 < PigBot> T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: THIS IS THE WORST MASQUERADE PARTY EVER (MASK) (at www.tshirthell.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7wln4re
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11:28 <@Mirage> https://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/you-blow-one-panda-and-here-we-are-mask/
11:28 < PigBot> T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: YOU BLOW ONE PANDA AND HERE WE ARE. (MASK) (at www.tshirthell.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7aoed7l
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11:33 <@Evilpig> lol
11:34 <@Dagmar> I don't get that one
11:41 <@Mirage> think like an idiot. Panda's are normally associated with China and China is blamed for corona...mix that w/ the general off-color humor of t-shirt hell and that's what you get.
11:48 <@Evilpig> HEY!  I laughed, does that make me an idiot?
11:48 <@Mirage> No, your head's just in the gutter...so you immediately got it
11:52 <@Evilpig> this kid has it so rough.  her assignment to complete before class on thursday is to watch the thor movie
11:53 <@Evilpig> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800369/
11:53 < PigBot> Thor (2011) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) http://tinyurl.com/y26xy3wd
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11:55 <@Mirage> what kid?
11:56 <@Dagmar> This will lead to a whole generation of crying history professors as students argue about Heimdal's ethnicity
11:57 <@Dagmar> Says the child
11:57 <@Dagmar> @#$@#4
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11:57 <@Evilpig> sabrina
11:58 <@Evilpig> her teacher was talking about loki and that they should watch the mask to see what the trickster was portrayed as.  this class is all about media and myths/legends
12:01 <@Dagmar> Ah
12:02 <@Dagmar> Loki doesn't _actually_ get up to all that much in the movie
12:03 <@Evilpig> they also referenced how to train your dragon
12:03 <@Dagmar>  I suppose it beats making them watch that movie shot in Esperanto
12:03 <@Evilpig> last week they were doing greek gods and talked about the percy jackson movies and class of the titans, etc
12:04 <@Evilpig> clash*
12:05 <@Evilpig> really i'm just glad she's got something getting her to do something other than watch tv or play on the switch, etc
12:06 <@Evilpig> "Myths and the Movies: The Influence of Mythology in Modern Pop Culture"
12:09 <@Dolemite> Sounds like some of my more fun classes at Belmont
12:18 <@Evilpig> she's also learning cursive and some basic life skills which include, how to grocery shop/ bake a cake/ follow a recipe
12:24 <@Dolemite> sounds fun.   Well, other than learning old people scribble.
12:27 <@Evilpig> her handwriting is attrocious so we're hoping that making her learn cursive will help improve her dexterity and inturn change her writing from chicken scratch to something more legible
12:30 <@Dagmar> Get some fancy pens and teach her calligraphy
12:30 <@Dagmar> This is a very important skill for writing up contracts with the devil
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12:52 < aestetix> Corydon76: yes, it's totally mind numbing and horrible
12:52 < aestetix> Which is fine for when I am doing computer work
12:53 < aestetix> I do not need some kind of ethical philosophy debate going on in the background
12:58 <@Dagmar> It's worth mentioning that it's clear when black metal bands that exhibit horrible penmanship go approximately nowhere, but the ones who can handle impressive copperplate script are the ones who *clearly* made a deal and thusly, sold records
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15:28 <@Evilpig> PSA, when cleaning electrical contacts and you're using wd-40 electrical contact cleaner, take a few seconds and remove any other wd40 products that you have in the area so you don't inadvertantly soak a joycon in rust penetrant instead of contact cleaner
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15:59 <@dc0de> Evilpig: huh...
15:59 <@dc0de> PSA: Pay Attention To Detail. (PATD)
16:41 <@Evilpig> I'm just gonna frame it as both will stop joycon drift.  One does it a little more ideally than the other
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22:01 <@Dagmar> hehe
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