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06:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:26  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:40 < aestetix> so Dolemite are you gonna submit a talk to HOPE?
07:09 <@Dolemite> Nope, why would I?
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07:34 <@Corydon76> ROFL.  Here's a new one.  "Ku Klux Karen"
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09:28 <@Mirage> https://ktul.com/news/local/claremore-residents-send-message-dont-try-vandalism-here
09:28 < PigBot> Claremore residents send message: Don't try vandalism here | KTUL (at ktul.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybdgbe4r
09:38 <@Dolemite> Mirage: How's work going these days?
09:40 <@Mirage> meh
09:42 <@Mirage> I have at least been tasked w/ doing performace/integration/functionality testing for comcast.  Breaking comcast's shit makes me happy.
09:42 <@Dolemite> lol
09:42 <@Dolemite> So they don't have you doing containerization anymore?
09:47 <@Mirage> When the opportunity came up to break shit I jumped on it and told the rest of them that since they like fucking with the broken container shit that in this solution is essentially only there to add cost and complexity to the solution that they can have it.
09:48 <@Mirage> Out of 4 US based solutions architects on our side working on this exactly none of them have any confidence in the stability of this product.
09:48 <@Mirage> And VMware needs to quick fucking up shit that works perfectly fine just so that they can conform to what all the kids coming out of college want to play with vs what works.
09:49 <@Mirage> ^s/quick/quit/
10:46 <@Mirage> https://www.macrumors.com/2020/06/02/ipad-air-usb-c-port/
10:46 < PigBot> Next iPad Air Could Feature a USB-C Port Instead of a Lightning Port - MacRumors (at www.macrumors.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya6f5ba7
10:46 <@Mirage> Apple conforming to a standard vs being able to sell their overpriced proprietary stuff...i don't believe it
10:48 <@Mirage> If that happens then the next thing will be Microsoft dropping the prices on all their shit because BIll Gates realizes that he's already got more than enough money
10:50 <@Mirage> Should have read some of that first...they already actually used USB-C on some iPads.  I thought that they'd only ever had the lightning -> USB-C adaptors
10:59 <@Mirage> I just love all the crap going on right now and ppl's shortsightedness in looking at it.  Police are X times more likely to use physical force on blacks vs whites.   Yeah...because after Rodney King and the media latching on to sensationalizing it the black community was taught to fear the police (justified or not) and will therefore be more wary and more likely to be provoked...which then leads to more police injustice as they have to deal with someone who
11:01 <@Mirage> I'm not saying it doesn't happen because there are plenty of racists out there, but the odds of bad things happening between a white cop and a black "suspect" is always going to be tainted and have a higher probability of the suspect resisting (whether physically or verbally) and escalating the situation
11:03 <@Mirage> Of course the blacks vs police has gone on for much longer than that...but in our lifetimes I think that Rodney King was really a huge turning point
12:02 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I don't.  I think Rodney King was one of those moments that made black people go, "See?" and white people go, "Oh... but it's just a few bad apples..."
12:05 <@Corydon76> This has been going on for more than 100 years.  Read up on "Black Wall Street" if you want one of the seminal events that solidified distrust of the police by black people.
12:06 <@Corydon76> Topical: https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/06/lebron-james-to-produce-documentary-on-black-wall-street-massacre.html
12:06 < PigBot> LeBron James to produce documentary on Black Wall Street massacre - cleveland.com (at www.cleveland.com) http://tinyurl.com/y74dybq2
12:06 <@Mirage> Yeah, because I know nothing about a race riot that happened where i'm from.
12:07 <@Mirage> And that wasn't started by the police...
12:09 <@Corydon76> No, but the police refused to properly investigate and hold the whites responsible for the damage.
12:10 <@Mirage> And that was a completely different time in history vs anything after the 1970
12:10 <@Mirage> 's
12:10 <@Corydon76> What else do you call it when the black kid is immediately arrested for rape that most agree never actually occurred, but the white violence which followed wasn't given a second thought.
12:11 <@Corydon76> What event in the 1970s precipitated a change in policing such that black people would change their minds?
12:11 <@Mirage> You can't compare now to when it was socialy accepted by blacks and whites to have separate restrooms, schools, churches, etc.   The whole reason the greenwood district existed is because of segregation of the time.
12:12 <@Corydon76> Some things changed.  Other things stayed the same.
12:12 <@Corydon76> If you're making the argument that something changed that precipitated trust in the police, surely you can point to that event.
12:12 <@Mirage> I think the fundamental change away from segregation is a huge difference in situations between pre-MLK and post-MLK
12:13 <@Corydon76> The fact that many black communities are still largely segregated belies that claim.
12:14 <@Corydon76> Case in point: north Nashville
12:14 <@Mirage> I didn't say anything about trust in the police...I blatantly stated that it's not a new thing...but I also stated that Rodney King and the HUGE amount of media coverage that it got had a huge impact on society and if not created then greatly solidified fears
12:15 <@Mirage> Corydon76: do they live there because they have to due to segregation or do they live there because they choose to?
12:15 <@Corydon76> And I'm saying that that distrust predates Rodney King.  You're putting blame on the media, and I don't think that's justified.
12:15 <@Corydon76> Mirage: they live there largely because they don't have a choice.
12:15 <@Mirage> I'm putting blame for inflaming the situations on the media and how they report things
12:16 <@Corydon76> Lack of opportunity is the key reason, now, why they don't move away.
12:16 <@Mirage> "Lack of opporunity" isn't forced segregation.
12:17 <@Corydon76> Years of systemic racism isn't overturned quickly.  There's a long tail.
12:18 <@Mirage> Holy shit...you almost got my point.   Now you just need to make the rest of the jump to assigning at least partial blame to the media and the way that they handle reporting on things.
12:18 <@Corydon76> And lack of opportunity does lead to prejudice.  There's a belief that if black teenagers aren't involved in other things, they're involved in selling drugs, for example.
12:19 <@Corydon76> I don't understand why the media reporting on the facts makes them responsible for the facts.
12:20 <@Corydon76> It's almost like you're saying that you can't handle the truth and you hate the media for unmasking it in front of you.
12:20 <@Mirage> And yes, I know all too well that it really hasn't been that long since forced segregation and the mentality that led to and accepted it...my grandparents are extremely racist toward blacks/mexicans and have no problems in letting anyone know.  My father isn't too much better.
12:21 <@Mirage> There's the truth and then there's the partial truth that is spun in the best way possible to create a sensation.  The latter is the utilized by the media more often than not.
12:22 <@Corydon76> Ah, so the problem isn't the media, per se, but the shock jocks and the 5 minute attention span of Americans.
12:22 <@Mirage> Why waste air time showing the 2 minute clip that shows how something is when you can show 10 sec worth of cuts to push your own agenda via a half-truth
12:22 <@Corydon76> If anybody in the media markets to short attention spans, they're at fault for grabbing eyeballs?
12:23 <@Corydon76> I can see that part.
12:23 <@Mirage> That's all they seem to care about
12:23 <@Corydon76> I can't see blaming the media industry as a whole for what a few bad actors do.
12:27 <@Mirage> Name me one case where the media posted a retraction to something that was sensationalized/misrepresented during prime viewing or on the front page
12:28 <@Mirage> When/if they ever do it's always going to be at the time of the lowest viewership or buried at the end of the obits in the back of the paper
12:29 <@Corydon76> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/anderson-cooper-apologizes-for-conjuring-image-of-trump-defecating-on-his-desk/
12:29 < PigBot> Anderson Cooper apologizes for conjuring image of Trump defecating on his desk - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/lq2swrn
12:33 <@Mirage> I don't know as that really counts as news, but fine.
12:57 <@Corydon76> A well known news anchor who also goes into the field to report in certain situations, isn't part of the news media?
14:02 <@Mirage> An off-hand comment that he made doesn't really count as news IMO.
14:17 <@Corydon76> That wasn't an off-hand comment.  It was a direct question in the middle of an interview, with a guest he was interviewing.  And he apologized, on air, in his time segment, and additionally on Twitter, to make sure that others saw it.
14:21 <@Corydon76> Just as an aside, it's just as ridiculous for me to claim that the media isn't sometimes guilty of distorting the news for clicks as it is for you to claim that the media always refuses to apologize for things they did wrong up front and with as much fanfare as the original story.
14:21 <@Corydon76> Both are absolutes, and there are going to be exceptions.
14:24 <@Mirage> Actually I'm saying all the above.  And yes, there are exceptions but when it comes to "reporting" on allegations of wrongdoing by a group or individual (sex scandals, abuse, racism, etc) then they jump straight for the "wow factor" of whatever it is instead of just reporting the facts.
14:25 <@Mirage> Or at least they do it often enough that they become untrustworthy sources of information for those types of subjects
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18:13 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z9Q9X1jHFE
18:14 < PigBot> Deep Cleaning The NASTIEST Vehicle I've Ever Seen! | Insane 20 Hour Detailing Transformation (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9yjqwer
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