--- Log opened Mon Jun 01 00:00:00 2020 00:48 <@Mirage> heh...duh. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/protests-could-accelerate-spread-coronavirus-public-health-experts-say-n1220551 00:48 < PigBot> Protests could cause catastrophic setback for controlling coronavirus, experts say (at www.nbcnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8nbfjaa 02:04 <@Dagmar> So, it *totally* wasn't capitalisms fault for reopening the city two weeks ago 06:32 <@Evilpig> https://www.krispykreme.com/promos/nationaldoughnutweek 06:32 < PigBot> No Title (at www.krispykreme.com) http://tinyurl.com/y99rau38 07:04 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:06 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: The Krispy Kreme near me closed down a few years, ago, and is now a Dairy Queen. Closest KK location for me is now 20-25 minute drive towards downtown. :( 07:28 <@Dolemite> Ahahahahahaha, I'm on an all-hands meeting for our division... the Director of Medical Services is addressing the question about the newly renovated area... and he called the open office microcubicle design a "Covid Incubator" 07:28 <@Dolemite> So they're looking at their options to change it all up again 07:29 <@Corydon76> lol 07:29 <@Corydon76> Well, that's certainly a way to ditch the cubicles 07:29 <@Corydon76> Why can't they just build regular offices like normal? 07:29 <@Dolemite> Not that I expect to be full time on campus again 07:30 <@oddball> I wouldn't be surprised if there's a move back to cubicles from the open office concept. 07:30 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: Because we are way out of building space and it takes too long to add more buildings 07:31 <@oddball> Of course, the fun thing is that my company just finished moving my team from a spacious area to a crowded floor. 07:31 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: Isn't the land technically something they can call on the Army Corps of Engineers to erect new buildings lickity-split? 07:31 <@Dolemite> Last year the Lab Director set a goal of adding over 1,000 new researchers by the end of 2020. 07:31 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: Uh, no. Corpse of Engineers has nothing to do with it. 07:31 <@Dolemite> er, Corps 07:32 <@Dolemite> The original footprint is all managed by the Department of Energy and has a crapton of red tape to get anything built 07:33 <@Corydon76> I thought it was turned over to the newly established DOE after the War, but it was originally an Army project. 07:34 <@Dolemite> When we get a new building approved, the land is then leased to UT-Battelle Development Corporation, which then designs and executes the plans for the new building, which it then manages and leases back to ORNL 07:34 <@Dolemite> Other labs simply swap out UT-Battelle for whatever their M&O contractor is 07:35 <@Dolemite> Which is why none of us work for DoE. We work for UT-Battelle, which is the prime contractor who handles Maintenance & Operations of ORNL. All the national labs are set up that way. 07:35 <@Dolemite> Because, you know, it's a way to hide how many people work for the US Government. 07:39 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@p200300d2671236940529cf9ad75e3a18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #se2600 07:48 <@Dolemite> Oh, lord, now he's having to address anti-vaxx sentiment 07:48 <@Dolemite> Somebody asked if a vaccine became available if it would be a condition of employment 08:37 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: This is what I was basing my statements off of: https://www.newschannel5.com/news/murfreesboro-mayor-declares-state-of-emergency 08:37 < PigBot> Murfreesboro mayor declares state of emergency, immediate curfew (at www.newschannel5.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydcw3gos 09:42 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Well, you and I both know... Letting the _county_ police involve themselves would be a good way to get Murfreesboro burned to the ground 09:45 <@Dagmar> https://www.newschannel5.com/news/murfreesboro-mayor-declares-state-o 09:45 < PigBot> 404 09:45 <@Dagmar> bleh 09:48 <@Mirage> why the fuck are ppl in EU, NZ, etc protesting about the Floyd thing. It has nothing to do with them and effects them in no way, shape, or form. I think ppl are just using the whle thing as a way to release tensions over all the COVID lockdowns. 09:50 <@Mirage> For that matter, there's also zero reason for ppl in M'boro, Nashville, Dallas, Tulsa, ATL, San Fran, etc to be protesting because it also has nothing to do with them either. 09:55 <@Mirage> Beating on a dead horse, but the media really needs to start taking responsibility for all this shit. They incite it by reporting on it...and with the worst possible spin possible. It having happened may be tragic, but it's not the policy of police to shoot/strangle/etc minorities...it was an act by an individual and due to inaction or incompetence the other officers should be held complicite. It should never have been national news, though. If riots 09:55 <@Dagmar> Well, now we've got cops apparently trying to beat that in about a half dozen cities 09:57 <@Mirage> And yes, I realize that ppl could/would have been posting all that on social media and it still may have blown out of proportion, but there's nothing that can be done about that because anyone can (and do) post anything they want on social media 09:59 <@Mirage> What rally sucks about the rioting connected to the protests is that a lot of the businesses being looted/destroyed are small businesses already struggling to keep the doors open with all the lock-downs in place. 10:03 < aestetix> well I can speak for berlin 10:04 < aestetix> if you look at the people.... they are all 20sometihngs, and all the signs are in english 10:04 < aestetix> I am pretty sure that they are all americans 10:04 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I have family in the Minneapolis area. That city's police force has a reputation for being racist and corrupt. It's not the media at fault there. The institutions are just bad to the core. 10:05 < aestetix> and the protests are in areas that americans live 10:05 < aestetix> there are actually parts of berlin where you have a whole block or two that is all americans 10:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de1] by ChanServ 10:06 -!- dc0de1 is now known as dc0de 10:06 < aestetix> most of them work for american companies, and focus on american news. germans hate them :p 10:09 <@Dagmar> There are plenty of cities right now where the police themvselves are demonstrating that the citizenry should be protesting. 10:09 <@Dagmar> Lexington, Ky for example 10:12 <@Mirage> Corydon76: but it's still a local issue, not a national or global one. If the police are corrupt then the citizens need to do what they can to correct it by electing better people into positions to be able to effect change or if that doesn't do any good escalate to the state police/governor and then finally to the FBI. 10:18 <@Mirage> Dagmar: there's nothing wrong with civil disobedience/sit-ins/non-disruptive protests. If the protests bleed into having to close off a couple blocks around wherever they are protesting to accomodate them then that's just part of it. 10:22 <@Dagmar> Apparently you've not seen what they've been doing in Lexington 10:23 <@Mirage> Dagmar: no. there's so much in the news about shit going on that it just starts to bend together and become noise. 10:25 <@Dagmar> Lexington has done cool things like, proactively chase everyone away from the first aid area that was set up and trash all the supplies 10:25 <@Dagmar> I mean, why wait for an excuse to happen before you engage in jackbooted thuggery when there's so many people willing to just fill in a reason _for_ you 10:28 <@Mirage> Which goes back to a lot of this just being an outlet/excuse for ppl frustrated with all the fallout from COVID. 10:32 <@Dagmar> So, the cops are fed up with COVID, and they need an outlet, so they get the people to gather en-masse to be abused and assaulted? 10:34 <@Dagmar> There's been all kinds of stuff going on that simply _should not_ be going on, and a great deal of it is happening _before_ any significant violence or property damage occurs 10:35 <@Dagmar> In Youngstown, multiple police officers were seen on an overpass firing their "pepper bullets" at cars below them on the interstate. Shattering windshields with them even 10:36 <@Dagmar> Atlanta just fired two cops because apparently last night someone was filming an arrest, teh cops didn't like it, so the cops tried to arrest both the driver and the passenger by breaking out windows, kicking them and tasing them claiming they were resisting 10:36 <@Dagmar> Unsurprisingly, someone else was filming _that_ 10:37 <@Dagmar> Ther's going to be an epic number of lawsuits from media outlets over the amount of _violent_ suppression of the press that's been going on 10:37 <@Dagmar> I'm just waiting for some hotheads to use lethal munitions on a CNN news crew 10:37 <@Dagmar> THey'll be like "Afghanistan is safer than Minneapolis" 11:49 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: The Sheriff's Office getting involved would just lead to more "suicides" in 940, I'm sure 11:49 <@_NSAKEY> that shit is practically a meme as far as I'm concerned 11:49 <@Dagmar> Yeah 11:49 <@Dagmar> They can't be trusted to run a DUI checkpoint 11:49 <@Dagmar> There's no way they could handle this 11:50 <@_NSAKEY> It's always been bad. I think the feds should have stayed another 10 years after Robert Arnold, just to give it the enema it deserves. 11:58 <@Mirage> Dagmar: you got it backwards. The riots, IMO, are more the product of ppl's frustrations over all the COVID restrictons and the gov't 'robbing them of their rights, jobs, etc". The peaceful protesters are not the problem. I seriously doubt there are many of the conscientious protesters who take part or stick around once all the crazy starts. 12:08 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has joined #se2600 12:08 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@047-039-211-239.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:08 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 12:08 <@Dagmar> Having cops continue to act like violent psychopaths isn't the way to keep protests peaceful 12:11 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:14 <@Mirage> not arguing that point 12:19 <@Mirage> One main problem that the military and police have always have and will always have is that it's not always easy to distinguish between the people who join to serve and the ppl who join to be able to "legally" kill/abuse/bully/etc. Situations like what's going on now with all the rioting is going to incite those who chose to be police for the wrong reasons just like war/"police actions"/etc expose those in the military. 12:24 <@Dagmar> ...and yet only Atlanta seems to have become interested in addressing the bad apples problem. 12:29 <@Dagmar> So, we've got a regular pattern of inaction with respect to getting rid of abusive cops that's actively being reinforced by the cops... and the media still wants to act like the _riots_ are the problem 12:34 <@eryc> i disagree, you always know the people you work with in dangerous situations 12:34 <@Mirage> The media is doing their corporate mandated jobs perfectly...sensationalize in order to increase viewers so that the network can then charge higher rates for commercials. They don't give a shit about a large part of what they report on and they couldn't care less about the impact/fallout that irresponsible sensationalist journalism may have..they aren't held accountable and if they are called out on something that they report on then they issue their retra 12:38 <@Mirage> eryc: the ones who are more overt get weeded out pretty quickly, but the rest are less aparent until they are given a situation where they think they can get away with it. I'm not saying that's always the case, because good people make dumb mistakes, but it is going to be more likely. 12:39 <@Mirage> Like from South Park. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3RJUMm-hd0 12:39 < PigBot> It's coming right for us! - South Park (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y4jlw7pd 12:39 <@eryc> i suppose if you're 18-23 your qualified as retarded so maybe 12:41 <@eryc> emotionally retarded that is 12:42 <@Mirage> How many serial killers once eventually caught were described by people who knew them as being a normal person who was quiet and kept to themselves. There are plenty of cases where someone who went out and did something horrific showed little/no overt signs prior to whatever it is, but upon more detailed digging things start jumping out that could/would have been disregarded otherwise./ 12:43 <@eryc> i think serial killer and macho brute are separate categories 12:43 <@eryc> how many serial killers train at the gym every day 12:45 <@eryc> everyone knows who the incredible hulk is eventually on any police force 12:46 <@eryc> but he's "their" incredible hulk who does the hard work while you're donut ass can sit back and watch 12:47 <@eryc> have they ever tested any of these cops for steroids 12:50 <@Corydon76> Unless using steroids is specifically illegal for cops, I don't see a reason why they would test them. 12:50 <@eryc> it's a mind altering drug worse than alcohol in some cases 12:50 <@Corydon76> Only athletes in specific competitions are banned from using steroids. 12:51 <@eryc> cops in the UK don't even have guns 12:51 <@eryc> we don't need pill popping cops 12:51 <@Corydon76> I'm on steroids right now, for example. They're very useful for asthma and various infections. 12:51 <@eryc> good for you 12:52 <@Corydon76> In some cases, a testosterone deficiency is more dangerous than taking them. 12:52 <@eryc> today in bullshit 12:52 <@Corydon76> Men with testosterone deficiencies frequently act like they have something to prove. 12:53 <@Corydon76> It's one of the interesting things about testosterone: there's a sweet middle. Too much or too little, and you get aggression. 12:53 <@eryc> we're not talking about your arse today 12:54 <@Corydon76> https://www.health.harvard.edu/drugs-and-medications/testosterone--what-it-does-and-doesnt-do 12:54 < PigBot> Testosterone — What It Does And Doesn't Do - Harvard Health (at www.health.harvard.edu) http://tinyurl.com/y9mov6u6 12:54 <@eryc> tldr please 12:54 <@Corydon76> "Irritability, poor concentration and depression" are a frequent side effect of low testosterone. 12:54 <@Corydon76> Remind you of any cops? 12:55 <@eryc> steroids don't necessarily create testosterone do they? 12:55 <@eryc> i thought there was a garden variety 12:55 <@Corydon76> Also, see, 3 symptoms you REALLY don't want to see in a guy who has the authority to use deadly force. 12:56 <@Corydon76> testosterone is a specific steroid 12:56 <@Corydon76> HGH is another. 12:56 <@Mirage> There's also the fact that your average cop is going to be average or below IQ according to studies because ppl with higher IQs who become cops are much more likely to get bored with it and quit. 12:56 <@eryc> so what does HGH do to a person 12:56 <@Corydon76> Mirage: or quickly move up to detective 12:57 <@eryc> my cousin died of a stroke because of HGH 12:57 <@Corydon76> HGH is Human Growth Hormone. Bigger muscles, stronger bones... 12:57 <@eryc> but what are the side effects 12:58 <@eryc> perhaps "Irritability, poor concentration and depression" ? 12:58 <@Corydon76> I don't see it listed. 12:58 <@eryc> so no affects to the mood whatsoever 12:59 <@Corydon76> Nerve, muscle, and joint pain, swelling of the limbs, increased risk of heart disease and diabetes 12:59 <@eryc> because that is 100% what it causes 12:59 <@Corydon76> Growth of cancerous tumors 13:00 <@Corydon76> Only common symptom of low testosterone and high HGH is enlarged breasts 13:20 < jb7od_> whoa.. so G Gordon Liddy, when he was all over the air promoting HGH, my man was growing teats? 13:21 -!- jb7od_ is now known as jb7od 13:23 <@Corydon76> jb7od: who says he was using it? 13:23 <@Corydon76> Celebrity endorsements are a tricky thing. 13:28 <@eryc> the hormones in commercial milk most certainly grow breasts so buy your daughters cheap milk 13:29 <@eryc> they'll thank you 30 years later 13:35 <@eryc> how else are you going to compensate for growth-stunting pollutants and a malnutritious food allotment 13:36 <@Corydon76> You'll have to drink a lot of commercial milk to get enough hormones to grow breasts. 13:37 <@eryc> well maybe its the water in texas then 13:42 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cbmhcknedghulioe] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15 < K`Tetch_> 13:51:03 «@eryc» cops in the UK don't even have guns - some do, and not pistols, but MP10s 14:15 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 14:20 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-neuhajstgothchkk] has joined #se2600 14:56 -!- rpifan_ [~rpifan@p4fca235b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #se2600 14:59 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@p200300d2671236940529cf9ad75e3a18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25 -!- rpifan_ is now known as rpifan 17:42 < jb7od> Corydon76: He did- touted it mightily. 18:50 <@Shadow404> sooo, is phreaknic or the smaller con gonna happen this year? 18:50 <@Shadow404> or are we doing it virtually? 18:51 <@opticron> the smaller con? 18:52 <@Shadow404> the one that Dolemite runs in a smaller hotel 18:52 <@Shadow404> havent been to that one either 18:52 <@Shadow404> i think its a hotel thats right next to a river or something 19:16 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@p4fca235b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:08 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: that was geeknic and it didn't happen this year, or last year 20:08 <@Evilpig> people be busy 20:09 <@Evilpig> but geeknic was typically done around spring break. and for spring break this year I was supposed to be in orlanda, fuckin' virus 20:13 <@Shadow404> yeah, i was supposed to be in Playa Del Carmen 20:14 <@Shadow404> looks like our yearly vacay is cancelled 21:33 <@Dagmar> Fuck it. My patience with ware is all used up 21:33 <@Dagmar> I just blocked his ass on FB 21:34 <@Dagmar> IN THEORY, we'll have enough shit squared away by October to be able to have Phreaknic 21:34 <@Dagmar> ...although with the way things are going, we might not be able to have Phreaknic because by October we'll all be in goddamn work camps 21:35 <@Dagmar> xaxxon: Did you _configure the switch_ so that those ports were bonded? 21:42 <@Dagmar> Hah. The National Guard here knows how to de-escalate 21:43 <@Dagmar> xaxxon: Okay, to my eyes (which are completely unfamiliar with that UI) that looks like it's configured correctly for those two ports to act bonded 21:43 <@Dagmar> #$%#$% 23:33 <@Dagmar> Soooo hilarious 23:34 <@Dagmar> Some cops up in Grand Rapids attempted to arrest a guy after rather obviously racially profiling him 23:34 <@Dagmar> Turns out the guy was an FBI agent. 23:34 <@Dagmar> Sooo delicious 23:34 <@Dagmar> https://twitter.com/worldtrav747/status/1267423405273473026?s=20 23:34 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydcptxuj 23:38 < K`Tetch_> yeah, no, Dagmar - thats over a year old, 23:38 < K`Tetch_> and who knows what he was, but not FBI 23:39 <@Dagmar> Don't care if it's old. It's still delicious --- Log closed Tue Jun 02 00:00:01 2020