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08:00 <@Evilpig> my email saga continues today.  this is amazing!
08:01 <@Evilpig> turns out you can set up sharepoint to receive stuff from email and it will do things with it if you set up email collectors
08:02 <@Evilpig> for the last month one of our internal groups hasn't been getting data into their sharepoint apps because this email system has been silently shit canning all the messages bound for it since the sending address was v.edu instead of v.org
08:03 <@Evilpig> BUT it turns out that since they've migrated all our on prem mailboxes to the cloud all email from outlook clients to this collector have been broken because o365 has no way to route mail to this private address space and returns all mail as undeliverable and they've never reported the problem
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09:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:22 <@Mirage> Lol..watching a video on restoring an old lawnmower.  When he pulled the float bowl from the carb and showed it I said 'hrm, suprisingly clean'.  About 2 seconds later on in the video he said the same thing.
09:23 <@Dolemite> Man, I love youtube lawnmower videos - purely for the fact that it has saved me so much money
09:23 <@Dolemite> Never would I have attempted the things I've successfully done to repair/tune a small engine
09:24 <@Dolemite> It's why I have a zero-turn mower, now.   I didn't need one, but for $200 and less then $100 in parts, I'd have been stupid to pass it up.
09:26 <@Mirage> My yard isn't big enough for a zero turn.
09:28 <@Dolemite> Well mine is the same physical size and cut width as my prior mower, which I plan on selling
09:28 <@Dolemite> Actually, it has a slightly smaller footprint, since it's not as long front to back
09:28 <@Mirage> I used to pick up push mowers ppl left out on the curb for the scrappers, fix them, then give them to ppl who needed one.  Ran out of ppl who might need one and have a good spare for myself, so I stopped.
09:28 <@Mirage> Been doing the same for old bicycles too.
09:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
09:31 <@aestetix> Dolemite: can we do the safety dance?
09:33  * dc0de does the safety dance.  
09:33 <@dc0de> in my head...
09:36 <@Dolemite> aestetix: You can dance if you want to
09:37 <@Dolemite> You can leave your friends behind
09:37 <@Dolemite> Because if they won't dance or if they can't dance
09:37 <@Dolemite> Then they're no friends of mine
10:20 <@aestetix> at the risk of lighting a shitstorm....
10:20 <@aestetix> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-home-directory-management-is-about-to-undergo-major-change/
10:20 < PigBot> Linux home directory management is about to undergo major change - TechRepublic (at www.techrepublic.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc26nmr4
10:26 <@Dolemite> I never understood all the hubbub over the move to systemd
10:26 <@Dolemite> Other than certain people hate change
10:35 < K`Tetch> so, turns out my son could get his driving license today, with no driving test
10:36 < K`Tetch> another thing thats more risky for corona than a tattoo or a gym
10:42 <@Mirage> this guy just kills me.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXc4TLoHSDM
10:42 < PigBot> ABANDONED Chevelle Will it Run After 30 Years and Drive 600 Miles? - Vice Grip Garage EP66 (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9n5e48y
10:55 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: I had concerns because, even today, PulseAudio is a steaming pile of shit, so why would I trust the same guy who screwed that up to write lower-level code?
10:56 <@_NSAKEY> That being said, unit files aren't terrible, although I think a lot of the complaints about SysV init boil down to the people touching those scripts not being good enough to work on them.
10:56 <@Evilpig> systemd touches too much shit
10:57 <@Evilpig> it is the shining example of scope creep
10:57 <@_NSAKEY> The fact that it keeps scope-creeping its way into everything is kind of gross, and I'll never really forgive them for filing bug reports, with the bug being that systemd wasn't a hard dependency when it wasn't actually needed.
10:58 <@_NSAKEY> This /home dir thing will probably push me away from linux if it turns out to be too burdensome. Right now, it seems obvious that they're just fetishizing complexity for its own sake. If you can't fumble your way through LUKS on a modern distro, you don't deserve full disk encryption.
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11:04 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I don't know enough about the encryption schemes to really know much on that, but I have to wonder if it will lead to the ability to have home directories that are protected from the prying eyes of root
11:05 <@Dolemite> It certainly seems like it would protect from the casual snooping
11:05 <@Evilpig> The big problem with that is the .ssh directory (where SSH stores known_hosts and authorized_keys) would be inaccessible while the user's home directory is encrypted. Of course Poettering knows of this shortcoming. To date, all of the work done with systemd-homed has been with the standard authentication process. You can be sure that Poettering will come up with a solution that takes SSH into consideration. 
11:05 <@Evilpig> Should Poettering not be able to develop a solution for the SSH conundrum, systemd-homed will have to be relegated to desktops and laptop distributions, leaving servers out of the mix. I cannot imagine that will fly with the systemd team.
11:06 <@Evilpig> that right there.  oh yeah, you need access to that key?  well... i'll figure something else out later
11:06 <@Evilpig> introducing systemd-keymgr
11:06 <@Evilpig> manage your keys on every system and keep them out of your pesky home directory
11:07 <@Dolemite> yurp
11:08 <@Evilpig> the answer here wasn't to secure home directories, it was to introduce a portable filesystem.  leave the home directory what it is
11:11 <@_NSAKEY> Reading over that, I have to wonder how often the author does bath salts. Migrating home directories from one box to another isn't exactly hard, and fetishizing complexity to "solve a problem" like systemd does doesn't sound like a good fit.
11:11 <@jb7od> my first thought after reading all this was "oh god.. not now.."
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11:29 <@dc0de> sorry ZachGibbens, don't know you.
12:33 <@Dolemite> Ugh, this is ridiculous.    4 humans, 1 dog and 1 cat in this house.    I'm the only one awake right now.
12:33 <@Dolemite> Everybody else was up, earlier, but they decided to take a nap.
12:33 <@Dolemite> I, too, like naps
12:38 <@jb7od> Dolemite: same. 4 other nap-prone occupants. More pets, but yeah. I want one. :*(
13:02 <@Evilpig> quit that talk
13:02 <@Evilpig> I got paged at midnight, then again at 4am,  I NEED a nap
13:26 <@aestetix> hey Evilpig can you do me a favor?
13:27 <@aestetix> I don't really care what the favor is, as long as it's annoying, time consuming, and you learn you have to do it right before you're going to fall asleep
13:34 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I got called at 11 PM, so that's already past my bedtime.   Then my back was hurting so I couldn't sleep well and ended up getting up at 4:30.   Maybe got 3 hours of sleep last night.
13:44 <@dc0de> Dolemite & Evilpig, that sounds nice...
13:45 <@dc0de> Try sleeping with a bulging disc. :(  No Bueno...
13:45 <@dc0de> do not recommend.
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14:34 <@jb7od> Evilpig: paged? <_<
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15:22 <@Evilpig> jb7od: pagerduty, xmatters, etc.  on call notice of something broke in the middle of the night
15:25 <@jb7od> Evilpig: Right on- wasn't completely positive you didn't actually have the device itself (and was hella curious about serivce if you had- I can't imaging it wouldn't be 1$ amo)
15:25 <@jb7od> s/imaging/imagine
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16:05 <@Evilpig> we currently use xmatters.  I used pagerduty at a previous job
16:05 <@Evilpig> straight up not a fan of the xmatters api
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21:53 < K`Tetch> so, 90 mins ago, i got a panicked call from my eldest - she saw the starlink sats and was hoping it was aliens
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22:39 <@opticron> K`Tetch, lol, I remembered them at 7, then totally forgot about them until about 10 minutes ago
22:40 <@opticron> even had a perfect view from my screened in porch for that
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23:19 <@Dagmar> You should have told her, "Yes, you're seeing spaceships.  They're ours."
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