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06:51 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:09  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:09 <@aestetix> Dolemite: are you ready for our date tonight?
07:11 <@Dolemite> Our date?
07:12 <@Dolemite> I'm not into that zoom circle jerk scene or whatever you kids are doing these days
07:12 <@aestetix> Dolemite: oh come on, you can even wear your pretty new dress!
07:13 <@Dolemite> I haven't left the house in over a month, except to go to the endodontist for a root canal.   There is absolutely nothing new in my wardrobe.
07:14 <@Dolemite> But, you know, hypothetically speaking, could I wear those diamond nipple clamps you got for me?   <wink wink>
07:15 <@aestetix> oh the battery powered ones?
07:15 <@Dolemite> They're still recharging
07:15 <@aestetix> Well if I recall, last time you blew a fuse
07:15 <@Dolemite> I wasn't the one blowing
07:30  * Evilpig puts his fingers in his ears
07:30 <@Evilpig> LALA LA LALA LA LA LA
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07:44 <@opticron> might want to move those to your eyes for a little gouging instead
07:49  * Dolemite hooks the clamps to Evilpig's nipples and hits the discharge button
07:58 <@aestetix> you guys are into some strange stuff
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08:14 <@Corydon76> Ironically, the oldest person living in my home is the most vanilla, and the youngest is the most kinky.  How the hell did that happen?
08:15 <@aestetix> uhhhhh as long as the youngest is above legal age....
08:20 <@Corydon76> He's 18, and it's all but certain that most of the kinkiness started before he started living here.
08:20 <@aestetix> allright
08:20 <@aestetix> as long as he's legal :)
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08:37 <@Corydon76> Besides, I'm not having sex with him.
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11:18 <@Dolemite> Wow.  Just got called out for not going through the communications group for an email I sent.   To 6 people.   To let them know I was upgrading a dev environment.
11:20 <@Evilpig> how dare you!  you monster!
11:21 <@Evilpig> those drones went to ITT to hone their communication chops so that your upgrade notice would get classified as spam and thrown away.
11:21 <@Evilpig> but it would look amazing!
11:21 <@Mirage> Are they unionized?   You know if you do a job for someone in a union that you're literally stealing food from their family's mouths...regardless of the fact that they get paid anyway..and likely better than any other schuck who can do the job 10x better and faster who isn't in the union
11:22 <@Mirage> s/schuck/schmuck/
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11:23 <@Evilpig> that reminds me of my brother's pro-union argument.  he was going off one year at thanksgiving about how his union stepped up and was funneling some money to the union guys that had got laid off due to not enough work
11:24 <@Evilpig> and that was cool, until he went into how he only got 20 hours of overtime that week...
11:28 <@Dolemite> No, it was just a group leader that loves to nit pick processes.   Personally, I don't consider an email to 6 people to be "widespread communication" but since 2 people were from other divisions, she considered it to be.
11:28 <@Dolemite> I've already had to ask my team leader to step in and respond to her earlier today to keep me from going Evilpig on her.
11:29 <@Evilpig> I'm currently avoiding zafar for a similar reason
11:30 <@Dolemite> Because the first email she sent to me and my team lead was that she didn't understand why I stated I would communicate to the Group Leaders about the upgrade, since it's my job to identify the customers.   The last time I upgraded PingFed, it was down (during the APPROVED CHANGE WINDOW, only) and she hollered for a Root Cause Analysis and the action item SHE ASKED FOR was to notify Group Leaders before
11:30 <@Dolemite> all future upgrades.
11:30 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: When you do talk to him, again, tell him I said hellpo
11:30 <@Dolemite> er, hello
11:30 <@Dolemite> not hellpo
11:30 <@Dolemite> That's possibly Persian for something awfu
11:30 <@Dolemite> awful
11:30 <@Evilpig> i'm not going to encourage him to talk to me
11:30 <@Dolemite> I need to cut my nails.   Causing me to miss my keys.
11:31 <@Dolemite> All a factor of never leaving my property for over a month.   LOL
11:31 <@Evilpig> I'm gonna have to goto the store tomorrow
11:32 <@Evilpig> down to half a gallon of milk, and I have just enough lunchmeat for one more day, and only one breakfast burrito left
11:32 <@Dolemite> yeah, Pamela is handling all of the store runs
11:32 <@Dolemite> Since I'm the only one pulling an actual paycheck - though she is now getting unemployment
11:35 <@Evilpig> since we're approaching the end of the fiscal year I had to put in all my PTO requests
11:35 <@Evilpig> June is officially a not working month for me.
11:38 <@Dolemite> I'm sure there's going to be a scramble for people to plan vacations once there's a viable treatment/prevention in place.    There will also likely be a small run on vacations once states lift restrictions, just because some people don't believe it will happen to them.
11:40 <@Evilpig> I'm just hoping they don't cancel sabrina's summer camp
11:40 <@Evilpig> she's looking forward to that and it getting canceled would make things around here pretty shitty
11:48 <@Dolemite> Did you book the one up here?
11:48 <@Evilpig> yeah
11:49 <@Dolemite> What's the date on it?
11:49 <@Evilpig> second week of june
11:49 <@Dolemite> I would think so
11:49 <@Evilpig> it should be good, but anything could happen
11:50 <@Evilpig> we had planned to spend a couple days in gatlinburg when we go to pick her up, but thinking that might not be a good idea now
11:50 <@Dolemite> Pigeon Forge is ramping up to restart on May 1 - at least the business owners say so.   There are a lot of scared folks in Sevier County who are wary of people from other areas coming in and bringing their germs.
11:50 <@Evilpig> i'm not about to start tempting fate
12:04 <@Dolemite> I just hope they find a vaccine by next November.   We have a Christmas Cruise booked (since before the outbreak) for this year.
12:06 <@Evilpig> you can't vaccinate against 5G
12:08 <@_NSAKEY> only 5g can melt steel beams
12:09 <@Mirage> Just find an old cruise ship w/o 5g.   Of course that also brings me to the question...how many cruise ships _have_ 5g?  We all know that 5g->covid thing is wack, but shouldn't pointing out to all the nutcases that covid is popping up on cruise ships w/o 5g and nowhere near a tower is simple proof 5g is not the cause?
12:10 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: Your mistake is thinking that those people are worth arguing with. I'm hoping enough of them Darwin themselves this year to clean up the gene pool.
12:29 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I've pointed that out and then the story of 5g causing you to suffocate changed to 5g caused the body to mutate a virus that became covid19
12:29 <@Evilpig> you just can't reason with crazy
13:28 <@aestetix> Is jonnyx still dating crazy?
13:45 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Every cruise ship I've been on has had super expensive CDMA voice only service.   In more recent years, they've added some pretty decent satellite wifi for an extra fee.   On the cruise I went on this past January we got it and I was able to stream videos from my Plex server while I was chilling in the room on sea days.
13:45 <@Dolemite> I was also able to make some calls via Google Voice
13:47 <@Corydon76> aestetix: nobody has seen her since the PhreakNIC hotel deal went south, and nobody has seen him, since Elonka cut him off at the knees.
13:48 <@Corydon76> Well, around these parts anyway.  I hear he took over NLUG, for all that that means.
13:48 <@Corydon76> NLUG has no money and organizes nothing but meetings, so there's not a whole lot to screw up.
13:49 <@e--> what happened with her and the hotel
13:49 <@aestetix> Corydon76: lemme guess, in a way that only Elonka can?
13:49 <@aestetix> aka do NOT piss off elonka
13:49 <@Corydon76> She had a family member who benefitted when jonnyx arranged for PhreakNIC to contract to buy way more hotel rooms than we could reasonably book.
13:50 <@aestetix> I assume "she" in that sentence is not elonka
13:50 <@Corydon76> Correct
13:51 <@Corydon76> Elonka was the responsible adult who saw that we had a dysfunctional organization and undertook the task to rewrite the bylaws.
13:51 <@aestetix> yeah she's good at that
13:51 <@Corydon76> Jonnyx could have worked within the confines in which she placed his position, but he chose not to do that.
13:52 <@e--> when i was president i basically just conducted meetings and handled bod emails
13:52 <@e--> (of another org)
13:53 <@Corydon76> Nashville 2600 had always run on what was essentially a benevolent dictator model.  That worked great when Dolemite was in charge, and really worked fine with Warren/Wilpig, but it doesn't work when the person in charge says, "Fuck you, it's my show, now"
13:53 <@e--> we voted on any expenditure above like $50
13:53 <@e--> its basically a cheerleader role
13:53 <@aestetix> e--: well, traditionally the president is the one who takes the fall when bad stuff happens
13:54 <@aestetix> You *can* use such an office to power trip, but most people who try to do that really suck at it
13:54 <@Mirage> or in the case of Trump points fingers at everyone else and fabricates reasons why he was the _only_ voice of reason in the whole thing
13:54 <@Mirage> whatever that thing was
13:55 <@aestetix> Mirage: thus the word "traditionally"
13:55 <@Corydon76> I will note that the people who really did a stupendous job at running the organization happened to be project managers.
13:56 <@Corydon76> And that's a wonderful skillset to have.  Please note that I was President for a year, and that skill is NOT in my wheelhouse.  No, I am not one of the great leaders of Nashville 2600.
13:56 <@aestetix> Corydon76: but were you fearless?
13:56 <@e--> what would your north korean name be Corydon76
13:56 <@Corydon76> e--: Kim Il Suck ?
13:56 <@e--> ha
13:57 <@e--> i was thinking, dear i am not your leader
13:57 <@Corydon76> Funny in a double entendre kind of way, too
13:59 <@e--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvYjFNEPeSg
14:00 < PigBot> 🔴 SpaceX LAUNCH -- 7th flight of Starlink - Kennedy Space Center (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycsyg94n
14:01 <@Corydon76> e--: that is rather interesting that that is proceeding per normal.
14:01 <@Dolemite> To add to what Corydon said - not only did jonnyx arrange for a bad deal, he refused to let others see the contract ahead of time.   He supposedly showed it to Eldridge who then assured me that there was no poison pill in the contract.   There was a poison pill in the contract that got signed.
14:02 <@Mirage> https://deadline.com/2020/04/westworld-hbo-renews-sci-fi-drama-season-4-1202914917/
14:02 < PigBot> ‘Westworld’: HBO Renews Sci-Fi Drama For Season 4 – Deadline (at deadline.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7a97lv8
14:02 <@Mirage> I find this kind of suprising really because I personally still haven't figured out any real point in the plotline for season 3
14:03 <@Dolemite> BURN THE WORLD DOWN
14:04 <@Mirage> I read an article some time back about how the writers were trying to keep things obscure and not lace as many breadcrumbs in the stories as they had in Season 1 because they were apparently pissed off by how many people figured out the "twist" at the end of that first season after the first 3-4 episodes.
14:23 <@e--> T-7
15:08 <@Evilpig> https://lifehacker.com/how-to-disable-firefox-75s-new-address-bar-1842728031
15:08 < PigBot> How to Disable Firefox 75's New Address Bar (at lifehacker.com) http://tinyurl.com/tnwhyrt
15:09 <@Evilpig> I hate whomever thought this magical growing url bar was clever
15:14 <@e--> releated
15:14 <@e--> ttps://lifehacker.com/how-firefox-is-a-shitty-browser-1842728031
15:18 <@_NSAKEY> lol, I just caught up on scrollback
15:18 <@_NSAKEY> crazypants actually ran for a board seat, and came in last place. She threw out some crazy allegations on her way out, and never returned.
15:19 <@_NSAKEY> Unfortunate, because I always wanted to ask her about her relative who worked in sales at the maxwell house, and if she got any money under the table from that.
15:21 <@_NSAKEY> The last time I saw jonnyx was at McKay's in 2016, and he spent 2 hours ranting at me about Elonka, Dagmar, Wilpig, and basically everyone who wasn't in his little group.
15:24 <@_NSAKEY> Good riddance, etc.
15:26 < K`Tetch> i last saw him in 2018, at hacking 201
15:28  * K`Tetch always has the fun time of balancing between elonka and jonny
15:36 <@Mirage> Evilpig: talking about in Chrome?
15:37 <@Mirage> Evilpig: ah, firefox...nm
15:37 < K`Tetch> also, anyone else read elonkas new book yet?
15:39 <@Mirage> is it about living with a hentai fetish?
15:44 <@Evilpig> https://lifehacker.com/how-firefox-is-a-shitty-browser-1842728031
15:44 < PigBot> How to Disable Firefox 75's New Address Bar (at lifehacker.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybo9zope
15:44 <@Evilpig> lol?  so they have two links to the same thing
15:45 < jb7od> Evilpig: agree. I've hung in there with FF through some rough patches (mostly out of undying respect for Netscape's suicide to protect us all from a world of xml), but the growing button is goony- relevant post.
15:46  * Mirage misses Netscape Navigator
15:47 <@Evilpig> I think we're starting to see devs that have only been on mobile devices and their shenigans are starting to infect full apps
15:47 <@Evilpig> shenanigans*
15:48 <@Evilpig> the url bar getting bigger on my phone to make it easier to read, I can understand.  this crap of making it bigger to show that I clicked it, fuck no.  I know I clicked it motherfucker
15:48 <@e--> Evilpig: hax yo
15:48 < jb7od> OH 100000% agree like a mf.
15:48 <@Mirage> I remember in one of the NT4 track classes having the instructor ask something to the effect of 'What is Internet Explorer?'.   My answer, which was agreed upon by just about the entire class, was that it was a handy tool for downloading Netscape.
15:49 <@Evilpig> we still need firefox though.  with IE going the way of using webkit for rendering, we need diversity
15:51 < K`Tetch> Mirage no, on cryptography
15:51 < jb7od> NT.. sigh..
15:51 < K`Tetch> one thing that got me - she says zip cones aren't encryption - yes they are
15:51 <@Evilpig> on another rant.  fuckin' redhat.  listen cocksuckers.... ext can shrink a volume if xfs is the replacement then it should be able to shrink too.
15:52 <@Mirage> Evilpig: that's counter to the new standard answer to most everything which is 'throw more resources at it."
15:54 <@Evilpig> I did a thing, I needed to strink a volume after that thing so I wasn't wasting resources and came to find I couldn't shrink my volume and I got very angry, very quickly
15:54 <@e--> just make a new thing
15:54 <@Evilpig> so now I have to schedule some downtime, add a scratch disk, xfsdump my shit to the scratch disk, then remove my volume, detach the extra disk from vmware, then xfsdump my crap back to a new volume
15:55 <@Mirage> I love arguing with the Devs and various other ppl who think that 't-shirt sizes' are the best answer to virtual machine sizing.  Apparently those of us who know that it is entirely possible to have a fully functional server with terabytes of storage with only 2 vCPUs and 4G of memory allocated is entirely possible
15:55 <@Evilpig> my nas has 120tb of storage and only two cpus
15:55 <@Evilpig> and like 8gb of ram
15:56 <@Mirage> yeah...and for most of our customers if you want a host with 1-2tb of storage your also gonna get 8-12 CPUs and 32-64G ram
15:57 <@Mirage> which is a complete waste of resources and causes performance problems once you start getting higher utilization on the underlying infrastructure.
15:57 <@e--> we used to just give every system 20GB and then add a /data mount for whatever the app vendor said they needed
15:58 <@Mirage> If a VM is configured for 8 vCPUs then most hypervisors (that I know of) want to have 8 free threads/procs to be able to run anything from that host against...even if the host is executing something single-threaded because the HV doesn't know.
15:59 <@e--> yes i believe that is still mostly true
15:59 <@Mirage> e--: yeah..that's the sane way to do it
15:59 <@e--> i think you can get some give with multiple vcpus
15:59 <@e--> but im not sure
16:00 <@e--> but yea as far as ram/vpus everyone starts with shit and scales up as needed
16:00 <@e--> 2gb mem, 2vcpus
16:01 <@e--> prod you might get 8gb and 4cpus
16:05 <@Mirage> e--: Back at Vandy it was like that..in fact you had to go to governance and explain why you needed more than just a basic server and basic storage.  With most of the enterprise customers I've dealt with while at VCE/EMC/Dell they just throw virtual hardware at everything and then oversubscribe the shit out of the underlying infra.   One customer had some LUNs oversubscribed with tin provisioned storage by as much as 8000%
16:12 <@e--> yea thats not smart
16:13 <@e--> hypervisors didnt make cpus any faster
16:15 <@e--> if your storage is expandable to your oversubscribed amount then you can wing it a little there but i'm not sure EMC could expand one of their products by 8000% without a lift and load
16:17 <@e--> and as wilpig knows you can always extend the luns when you need to with proper monitoring
16:17 <@e--> so overprovisioning is pretty dumb
16:18 <@Mirage> This same customer wouldn't even start considering adding more physical storage until the actual utilization got up around 85%.  That was a huge point of contention we had with them and when the contract was renewed we specifically requested that a clause be added stating that if there was an outage due to the customer not following recommendations we had given them that we couldn't be penalized
16:19 <@e--> i think 70% is a sweet spot for storage thresholds
16:19 <@e--> i got an alarm if anything went above that
16:20 <@e--> but on a shared storage like that 70% would worry me a lot
16:20 <@e--> i'd like to be at 30-40%
16:21 <@Mirage> Amazingly we only ran into an issue on one LUN where the splunk servers using it went crazy because of some misconfiguration and filled it up.   They had to go through and pick/choose servers to have down while waiting on more physical storage to be added because there wasn't capacity at that point to migrate everything to other LUNs
16:22 <@Mirage> Yeah, running at 85% is past the normal recommended threshold unless you're talking about long-term static storage that isn't really going to grow.
16:22 <@Mirage> Even then it's really pushing recommendations
16:22 <@e--> that shit is exactly why you don't do any of that
16:22 <@e--> yea fair enough if it's idle storge
16:23 <@e--> or read only
16:23 <@e--> i had a handful of exceptions to the 70% rule for various reasons
16:24 <@e--> and lots of memory threshold exceptions heh
16:24 <@e--> at that point you have to start watching jvms and shit
16:25 <@e--> i dont miss being a systems guy too much
16:25 <@e--> i'm currently a "network automation expert"
16:26 <@e--> which in this case translates to systems architect/programmer who knows enough networking to be dangerous
16:32 <@Mirage> OH, on a completely separate note..if you haven't seen or heard of 'Movie 43' you should watch it.
16:32 <@Mirage> https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1305061145?playlistId=tt1333125&ref_=tt_ov_vi
16:32 < PigBot> Version #1 (at www.imdb.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycper645
16:33 <@Mirage> It's an anthology thing like 'Amazon Women on the Moon'
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