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06:16 < K`Tetch> ah HA! I am INVINCIBLE!
06:16 < K`Tetch> scared those tornados off, yet again deciding to go right over my house, and only touch town a mile later
07:03 <@Evilpig> damn jb7od, that's alot of shit adding up to probable cause
07:34 <@opticron> jb7od, I think that some places are doing post-mortem testing if they have the kits for it and it was likely, but availability of kits is not great and we're not doing contact tracing
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07:44 <@Evilpig> https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html  "Antibody tests could be available this month"  <-- there's some good news
07:45 < PigBot> US coronavirus cases top 500,000 as researchers say the worst is yet to come in Texas and Florida - CNN (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/vm68kzl
07:50 <@aestetix> uh
07:50 <@aestetix> what is an antibody test? how does that differ from a vaccine
07:54 <@dasunt>  antibody test checks for antibodies in your bloodstream.
07:54 <@dasunt> A vaccine should create antibodies.
07:55 <@dasunt> So does being infected.
08:11 <@Corydon76> The current test is a nucleotide test.  It only checks if you're shedding viral particles that match a specific protein.
08:12 <@Corydon76> An antibody test verifies whether you've previously been exposed.
08:13 <@xray> Since you can get COVID-19 and be asymptomatic you would never now you had it and are now immune. An antibody test would allow you to be certified as immune and able to go back to work and no longer need to social distance.
08:45 <@dasunt> Incidentally, one of the widely used polio vaccines is a weakened live virus version which causes shedding.
08:45 <@dasunt> The benefit is that it tends to spread - person A gets vaccinated, and infects person B.
08:46 <@dasunt> Downside is that there's a large number of vaccine-derived polio cases.
08:47 <@dasunt> The thinking is where polio is still in the wild, it's better to get the vaccine derived case, which *usually* doesn't cause severe symptoms.
08:47 <@dasunt> But IIRC, once the wild polio is wiped out they switch to a dead virus version.
09:02 <@Evilpig> alright this is ridiculous.  if I run dig @127.0.0.1 wilpig.com SOA I get the proper response.  if I run it via python with the dns module it comes back with an empty answer.  using the same python session but repointing the server to my secondary bind server I get a proper soa response.
09:06 <@e--> does dig +trace show anything
09:09 <@Evilpig> trace gets a proper response
09:09 <@Evilpig> ;; Received 747 bytes from 192.42.93.30#53(g.gtld-servers.net) in 66 ms
09:09 <@Evilpig> wilpig.com.		21600	IN	SOA	ns1.wilpig.org. root.wilpig.com. 2019122903 5400 3600 604800 21600
09:10 <@Evilpig> think i'm just gonna put a pin in this until I start to migrate everything to centos8 and then i'll poke at it again.
09:44 <@dasunt> Could it be coming from a different IP with python?
09:50 <@Evilpig> shouldn't be.  but I tested against both localhost and it's regular ip to see if it was a difference there with the listener
09:51 <@Evilpig> I'm thinking it's just a bug with my specific patch level of everything
10:00 <@dasunt>  For some reason, I'm recalling that python has that issue.
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13:35 < jb7od> You guys see this yet? https://www.vox.com/world/2020/4/10/21216477/coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-cyberattacks-digital-ceasefire-who-hack-united-nations
13:35 < PigBot> Coronavirus news: Top UN official calls for cyberattacks worldwide to stop immediately - Vox (at www.vox.com) http://tinyurl.com/wvuxtzz
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18:35 <@brimstone> jb7od: you can ... do that? just ask for the hackers to stop?
18:37 < jb7od> Evidently the UN seems to think a heartfelt appeal is the way to go. Personally I suspect it's a way to drag computer into all of this so that anyone they catch they can extra super vilify and give the firing squad for treason or some other type of thing nobody would ever stand for.
18:39 < jb7od> brimstone: I didn't hear the magic word, did you? ;D
18:49 <@Evilpig> pizza?
18:49 <@Evilpig> midget?
18:49 <@Evilpig> abracadabra!
18:49 <@Evilpig> free?!
19:19 < jb7od> This one paragraph in that article is a hoot- the one "And how can we ask our health care workers, diagnostic and treatment facilities, researchers, and hospitals — those bound by the selflessness of duty and banded together against a common, hidden enemy — to continue containing the crisis while questioning whether vital equipment may be affected or shut down by a digital attack?"
19:19 < jb7od> "while questioning"
19:20 <@northrup_> awww shit... I know I'd see jb7od again
19:21 < jb7od> ya man! what's up man! ;D gone long enough to have lost my acct
19:22 <@northrup_> ugh... you know, just sitting over here watching the world burn. LOL
19:22 < jb7od> did you ever think it would get this stupid?
19:23 < jb7od> I waited my whole adolescence for the 80's to be over- and look what we get
19:23 <@northrup_> Ha.. truth!
19:24 < jb7od> I really did think we were all like 150 years ahead of where we are with race relations and white insecurity
19:25 <@northrup_> turns out... LOL... I also had suspicions that Trump had zero civics understanding, but watching him declare today that he had total power over all the states was... scary and astounding all at once
19:26 < jb7od> oh I have stayed stunned this whole time- and every time I think I've had my mind blown as hard as is possible, new depths are sounded daily-
19:27 < jb7od> "well, I'll just have to have 8 terms then. How bout all the terms?"
19:28 < jb7od> this country has shot far better for far less.
19:28 <@northrup_> LOL!
19:30 < jb7od> what about all the mexican kids in the border camps though? did they all get let go or what?
19:31 <@northrup_> Nope, they're all still there I believe.. waiting to become a petri dish of covid-19
19:32 < jb7od> but you know, the lie of all of it, I think- I think the media is absolutely under the boot, and all this pretend victimization is to cover what is the most suppression american journalism has ever faced.
19:42 <@northrup_> The WH has said the media is under the boot. Pence told CNN that they were going to deny access to Fauci and Brix if CNN didn't return to providing full coverage of Trump's daily afternoon propaganda sessions.
19:46 < jb7od> There was one guy last week he threatened the license of whatever broadcaster for being so nasty and unpatriotic- and whenever he gets to questioning people's loyalty for exercising their rights in a nation of elected officials- m.a.a.a.a.a.a..annnn
19:46 < jb7od> I've never felt a rage quite like it.
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23:15 < K`Tetch_> 20:27:17 «jb7od» "well, I'll just have to have 8 terms then. How bout all the terms?" <-- its funny, but if he tied there is a solution, no election means the house is out jan 4, as is a third of the senate. That would turn the senate Dem, and guess what happens jan 20? Trumps out, and so it goes down succession to the senate majority leader, now a dem
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23:20 <@northrup_> K`Tetch_ I'm ok with that long game...
23:20 <@northrup_> if it has to go that way
23:21 < K`Tetch_> partly depends who the senate dems select as leader
23:22 < K`Tetch_> its 23 republican and 12 democratic senators up this time
23:24 < K`Tetch_> right now it looks like we pick up colorado (gardner) and maine (collins) but maybe lose alabama /9doug jones)
23:27 < K`Tetch_> but, if hey went, we'd lose both our senators here in ga, mitch mcconnel, inhofe, Lady Lindsay Graham Southern belle extraordinare, encrption hater benn sasse, and I will not cry any tears
23:31 < jb7od> Seems like when they say third party "can't" win anything, that it's not a speculative "can't" but a literal "can't" in that it'd tear up the whole contingency structure.
23:32 < K`Tetch_> there are two '3rd aprties' int he senate
23:34 < K`Tetch_> Sanders and angus king
23:34 < jb7od> are they different third parties (e.g. 3rd and 4th) or the same 3rd party?
23:34 < K`Tetch_> they're both 'independent'
23:35 < jb7od> I don't know about the king fellow- is he considered "a liberal"
23:35 < K`Tetch_> king had been an democrat before 93, left the year before he became governor of maine
23:36 < K`Tetch_> here's his ideology/leadership chart
23:36 < K`Tetch_> https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/angus_king/412545
23:36 < PigBot> Angus King, Senator for Maine - GovTrack.us (at www.govtrack.us) http://tinyurl.com/t2ttyr9
23:37 < jb7od> looks like a hippie to me...
23:37 < jb7od> jk
23:37 < K`Tetch_> if you look to see the next more right one after him, it's his fellow senator, susan collins
23:38 < jb7od> it says "caucusing with"
23:39 < K`Tetch_> yeah, hm and sanders both work with them
23:40 < K`Tetch_> that way he gets some committee assignments, as he would as a democratic senator of similar seniority
23:41 < K`Tetch_> so hes the ranking member of the national parts subcommittee, and the 'airland' (army and airforce) subcommittee
23:43 < K`Tetch_> here - chapter of my book - https://wiki.pirate-party.us/No_Safe_Harbor:_Breaking_the_Two_Party_Two-Step
23:43 < PigBot> No Safe Harbor: Breaking the Two Party Two-Step - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us) http://tinyurl.com/sz5m33f
23:45 < jb7od> I've always been too afraid to even write anything down about my politics. There've been times I've been arguing and it's attracted people from politics who've tried to invite me to things, which have scared me even further off the map.
23:47 <@aestetix> jb7od: I wish everyone would focus more on the local level
23:51 < jb7od> I'd always assumed it had to be an allegory, and that's why it's the way it is. If you don't present people with a clear cut good guy and bad guy, which the very least among us intellectually can recognize, and quickly make a decision.
23:51 <@aestetix> The reason I say local level is because you have more control over it. You have a better chance of getting to ask a hard question during council meetings, and your vote can make a direct impact.
23:51 < jb7od> it'd subtract from the dramatic tensipon
23:56 < jb7od> aestetix I can believe that, that locally more actual change could happen.
23:56 <@aestetix> It absolutely can.
23:57 <@aestetix> However, doing stuff at the local level takes wanting to actually improve your community, not just wanting power over others.
23:59 < jb7od> me personally, what'd be cool would be to say some cool quotables that actually get people to stop being fuckers to each other.
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