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02:04 < K`Tetch_> 16:50:28 «@Mirage» I'm not sure I agree that gun stores are "critical". <-- gun stores are NEVER 'critical', and there's no place for guns in society, never has been.
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02:05 < K`Tetch_> I mean, what exactly are they expecting to do with those guns?
02:30 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: assuming there were no such thing as guns, what would you say is the best way to hold government accountable?
02:30 < aestetix> Besides voting, of course
07:00 <@brimstone> but gun stores directly and clearly fulfill amendment #2
07:00 <@brimstone> i can't keep arms if i can't buy them
07:09 <@opticron> nah, you just gotta get 'em the natural way, from a bear
07:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:28  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:30 < aestetix> Dolemite: I was just watching a breakdance video, it reminded me of you
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08:07 <@Corydon76_> With Linux masquerading, I've always just set up the same local subnet.  Is there a reason why the masquerade subnet has to match the local LAN?  Can I just masquerade the entire 192.168.0.0/16?
08:08 <@Corydon76_> Context:  my boss wants the network to change with each of these devices I'm setting up, and I'm trying to reduce the number of files I need to change, because I sometimes forget one, and then have to go check the config.
08:11 <@Corydon76_> It makes sense that it ought to just work, but maybe I'm not seeing something.
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08:36 <@Evilpig> Corydon76_: not sure, but sounds like you might want to set up some type of automation to make your edits.  ansible, puppet, etc
08:36 <@Corydon76_> Evilpig: Raspberry Pi images.  Not sure that's practical.
08:36 <@Evilpig> ansible uses ssh, so should be easy to do
08:37 <@Evilpig> if you have a standard image that just needs to change based on the IP or something I can help you get a playbook to do whatever
08:38 <@Evilpig> we've got like 40 different networks we have machines on and all of our firewall policies change based on where the host is
08:38 <@Evilpig> different dns resolvers, etc
08:38 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: So how fast did VUMC get to the 78 infected medical workers number?    Was that all reported in one day?
08:39 <@Evilpig> that was faux news being sensationalist 
08:39 <@Evilpig> 30+ of those 78 were returning to work post 14 day quarantine
08:39 <@Evilpig> 40+ are still under quarantine
08:39 <@Evilpig> vumc has had, last number I heard, 380 confirmed cases come through the doors
08:40 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, ok.   Yeah, the headline I saw said 78 "confirmed" cases
08:40 <@Evilpig> that headline was from the local fox news affiliate
08:40 <@Dolemite> It was just such a WTF number I had to inquire
08:40 <@Evilpig> https://fox17.com/news/local/vanderbilt-medical-center-confirms-78-employees-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19
08:40 < PigBot> Vanderbilt Medical Center confirms 86 employees have tested positive for COVID-19 | WZTV (at fox17.com) http://tinyurl.com/s9dvxlo
08:41 <@Evilpig> The hospital told FOX 17 News that 37 of the 86 employees passed a mandatory quarantine period and have returned to work. 
08:41 <@Evilpig> Forty-nine other employees are still at home self-isolating.
08:42 <@Evilpig> 86 out of 25000 employees is still pretty low even for the front lines
08:44 <@Dolemite> yep
08:47 <@Evilpig> I gotta get this computer finished up for the kids today
08:48 <@Evilpig> the school called yesterday saying they've been putting lessons in an online portal that sabrina has access to all year and they aren't mandatory since not every student has a computer at home but they are strongly suggested
08:48 <@Evilpig> they went on to tell us that they sent home the information for that portal at the start of the school year, we never got it.  like many papers they've sent home they mysteriously disappeared before getting here. :-/
08:50 < aestetix> how do schools do online if the family doesn't have a computer, or fast internet?
08:50 <@Evilpig> homework packets
08:50 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcPSmFhmhJ4&feature=youtu.be
08:50 <@Evilpig> they've been distributing those with meals if students/parents show up to get them from the school
08:50 < PigBot> What Day Is It? Skit by Brak from Cartoon Planet (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/sklhaka
08:50 <@Evilpig> found out about those last night too
08:51 < aestetix> homework packets?
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13:57 < K`Tetch_> 03:30:21 «aestetix» K`Tetch_: assuming there were no such thing as guns, what would you say is the best way to hold government accountable? <-- oh that's just so ADORABLE that you think guns in civilian hands hold a government accountable! oh I wish I were so young and naieve again...
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14:04 < dasunt> Starting work during a WFH situation is very interesting.
14:04 < dasunt> Not less work though.
14:36 <@Mirage> Try WFH when just about everything you do requires MFA tied to your phone, but your phone breaks.
14:36 <@Evilpig> Mirage: that's why I like authy.  too bad our primary mfa solution won't work with it
14:37 <@Mirage> Then add a manager who gets pissed at you because you can't work due to the broken phone and can't grasp why with the offices closed down and having no insurance on the phones you can't get a replacement any faster than IT can get one shipped out to you from the vendor as an upgrade.
14:39 <@Mirage> In one conversation I went from being fairly positive about work to wanting to just quit and sit at home for the next 6 months doind nothing.
14:40 <@Mirage> If it wasn't for not having something to immediately fall back on and enjoying having medical insurance in a time that it very likely may be needed, I'd probably have told him to take his job and shove it up his ass sideways.
14:40 <@oddball> Was he wanting you to buy a new company phone out of pocket?
14:41 <@Mirage> No, he didn't suggest that.
14:42 <@oddball> Of course, a lot of companies have gone to the model of "use your personal phone, and we'll give you a stipen."
14:42 <@Mirage> If he had I would have told him I'd quite happily put it on the corp AmEx if he'd approve the expense
14:44 <@oddball> Hell, if that's an option, and he wanted you to have a replacement ASAP, that would be the solution.
14:44 <@Mirage> I called and told him about it while on the way home from ATT last monday.  Updated him on the no insurance thing and that I was directed to request a replacement because I was eligible for a 'refresh'.  That didn't get fully approved until Wed.  I got an email Fri saying a new phone was being shipped by ATT.
14:45 <@Mirage> When that gets here, I dunno.
14:46 <@Mirage> So far as I know I've done everything I was supposed to.  I can't wave a magic wand and fix everything.
14:46 <@oddball> He also didn't suggest that you use your personal cell for MFA?
14:47 <@Mirage> That's against policy, but I did suggest that I could resort to that if I had to.
14:48 <@oddball> So he was just being unreasonable and confused how the mail worked, then.
14:49 <@Mirage> I'm NOT going to allow installation of all the corp control stuff that's required by policy to be installed on my personal phone, though.
14:49 <@Mirage> Yes, he was doing an exceptional job of being short-sighted and unreasonable.
14:49 <@oddball> ah, then the MFA program probably wouldn't work, although you could probably have it text you.
14:50 <@Mirage> RSA soft token and Microsoft Authenticator run out of VMWare Workspace One
14:50 <@Mirage> So that corp can manage
14:52 <@Mirage> RSA is required for internal VPN and services as well as access to one customer. Microsoft Auth is required for VPN and just about anything you try to do for another customer, which is the primary account I'm working on right now.
14:52 <@e--> i have ms auth and outlook on my phone, everything else demanded access to all my shit
14:52 <@e--> like teams or skype
15:10 <@Mirage> https://www.peopleofwalmart.com/i-am-your-father/
15:10 < PigBot> I Am Your Father - People Of Walmart : People Of Walmart (at www.peopleofwalmart.com) http://tinyurl.com/rtcub89
15:19 <@Dolemite> Mirage: so they don't let you have a hardware RSA token as a backup, apparently
15:19 <@Mirage> No, when the hard tokens expired they switched us to soft tokens
15:19 < dasunt> Your workplace doesn't have hard tokens?
15:20 <@Mirage> not any more
15:20 <@Dolemite> Ah.   We get to choose, and the IT System Admins get the option of both.
15:20 <@Mirage> we used to get to choose, and I always chose hard token.  The last 'refresh' of the tokens they removed the choice and forced soft tokens
15:21 <@Dolemite> Yeah, they deserve to be in this situation, then
15:21 <@Mirage> Which have to be on your phone, can't be on your laptop, because then it's not on a separate device
15:22 <@Dolemite> But not YOUR phone
15:22 <@Dolemite> Their phone which they allocate to you
15:22 <@Mirage> correct
15:22 <@e--> it can be on any device
15:22 <@Dolemite> Again, fully deserving of this mess
15:22 <@e--> microsoft MFA will run on anything
15:23 <@Mirage> The one that currently has a battery that's swelled up like a balloon and split the rear case of the phone
15:23 <@Dolemite> This isn't a technical issue, it's an administrative policy issue
15:23 <@Mirage> Dolemite: it's a bit of both
15:32 <@Mirage> https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/world/astronaut-urine-moon-base-scn/index.html
15:32 < PigBot> Moon bases could be built using astronaut urine - CNN (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/wkykkfz
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15:39 < dasunt>  So what I'm hearing is this is a failure of the department to create a process for this situation.
15:41 < dasunt> Your flaw is that you managed to demonstrate this failure.
15:42 <@Mirage> If the company had insurance on the phones it would be a non-issue.  Also if the corp account allowed my being able to go into a local store to get a replacement when I'm due for a 'refresh' it would also be a non-issue.
15:42 <@Mirage> Exactly.
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16:20 <@Evilpig> Mirage: damnit, why do they have to limit it to astronauts?  I wanna contribute to that cause!
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16:41 < dasunt> So the urea concrete could "retain a mostly stable shape"?
16:42 < dasunt> Under a load of 25 lbs?
16:42 < dasunt> Ummmm.  I'll admit I'm not an expert in moonbase building, but that seems like a failure to me.
16:54 <@dc0de> "Welcome to our moonbase"
16:54 <@dc0de> "Why does it smell like a cat box?"
17:01 < dasunt> Seems like the sagging would be a bigger concern to me, but...
17:13 < dasunt> Maybe it is non-loadbearing concrete.
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