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06:31 <@Evilpig> dasunt: sweet!  You found a time travel job?
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09:20 <@dc0de> jitsi.org - free conferencing for all.
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09:38 <@Corydon76_> dc0de: how does jitsi compare to Google Meet?
09:39 <@dc0de> ?
09:39 <@dc0de> https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/fk6afi/white_power_in_america_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
09:39 < PigBot> White Power in America Today. : technicallythetruth (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/ql4scob
09:42 <@Corydon76_> dc0de: I'm on the board of a nonprofit, and we've decided to do only virtual meetings for the foreseeable future.  We're still deciding on the platform.
09:43 <@Corydon76_> Our last physical meeting was supposed to be on Super Tuesday, which was the day that the tornado came through Nashville.  As a result, all libraries were closed.
09:43 <@Corydon76_> And we were supposed to meet at the library
09:48 <@dc0de> jitsi doesn't seem to be extra secure, but it's a very usable platform...
10:08 < aestetix> Corydon76_: yeah, planning for anything is basically fucked
10:09 < aestetix> If this keeps up, even PhreakNIC could be at risk :/
10:09 <@Corydon76_> Potentially, yes, especially if the virus mutates.
10:10 <@Corydon76_> But it's a good reason to take a community that normally does a lot of physical events and starts us down the path of thinking how we can do fundraisers and education online.
10:11 <@Corydon76_> I bet the hotels are thinking right now about deeply discounting their conference rooms, because we're likely already in a recession.
10:11 < aestetix> "recession"
10:12 < aestetix> I think that's an understatement.
10:12 < aestetix> I could see a global economic collapse coming out of this. :/
10:12 <@Corydon76_> LOL, highly unlikely
10:12 < aestetix> Maybe not in the US
10:13 < aestetix> But Italy is economically fucked, for example.
10:13 <@Corydon76_> Recessions are bad enough, but for an economic collapse won't happen without a LOT of people dying and the survivors being unwilling or unable to pick up the pieces.
10:13 <@Corydon76_> Economies are about moving resources around, and that's going to continue.
10:13 < aestetix> What about people who work for airlines, or truck drivers, or people who work retail?
10:14 <@Corydon76_> Airlines and truck drivers are going to be temporarily inconvenienced, but the jobs will return.
10:14 < aestetix> Depends on how long this thing lasts.
10:15 <@Corydon76_> In fact, it's likely that they're already returning, since Chinese manufacturing is gradually coming back online
10:15 < aestetix> When do you think all these curfews and shutdowns will stop?
10:15 <@Corydon76_> The thing about shipping is that there's a delayed response to a manufacturing slowdown or stoppage.
10:16 <@Corydon76_> We're only now seeing in the ports the effects of the Chinese shutting down manufacturing last month.
10:16 <@Corydon76_> Our shelter-in-place orders are likely to last 2 months or so
10:17 <@Corydon76_> There will be a bit of a long tail on that, though, as people will become used to that behavior, and it will take them awhile to go back to their old habits.
10:18 < aestetix> Maybe it's not as bad in the US yet as it is in Europe
10:18 <@Corydon76_> The worst in the US right now is the panic gripping the grocery supply chains
10:18 < aestetix> Oh ok
10:19 <@Corydon76_> I expect that we'll see cases ramping up in the next 2 weeks, but only maybe.  Shelter-in-place is supposed to reduce that.
10:19 < aestetix> Yeah, we are having issues like.... hospitals being totally overtaxed, schools closing everywhere, people breaking into hospitals and police offices to steal protective equipment from the shortages, etc
10:19 < aestetix> But at least I'm not in Italy
10:20 <@Corydon76_> Our hospitals are not yet overtaxed.  Like I said, we'll know in the next 2 weeks if our efforts here are successful in preventing a repeat of Europe.
10:20 < aestetix> yeah
10:20 <@Corydon76_> But yes, schools are closed for the rest of the month, here.
10:20 <@Corydon76_> And universities have gone online for the remainder of the semester.
10:21 < aestetix> Berlin is also home to a bunch of famous nightclubs. And so far, three of them have reported that at least one popular event was attended by someone infected with the virus
10:21 <@Corydon76_> The guy I'm dating is in college, so I get a front row seat to that.
10:21 < aestetix> Oh so you're the equivalent of a cougar :p
10:22 < aestetix> Assuming he is college age
10:22 <@Corydon76_> Um, sure.  Except I'm not the aggressive one.
10:22 <@Corydon76_> He's 19.
10:23 <@eryc> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-us-hospital-georgia-shortages-healthcare-a9406411.html
10:23 < PigBot> Coronavirus: US hospital uses five months' worth of supplies in six days as shortages hit | The Independent (at www.independent.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/sal53n4
10:23 <@Corydon76_> I'd be fine sitting around and just doing things together.  He's constantly trying to get into my pants.
10:25 < aestetix> Allright. As of tomorrow, all non-essential stores in Berlin will be closed.
10:25 < aestetix> So everything but grocery stores and pharmacies
10:27 < aestetix> https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavirus-threat-raised-to-high-alert/a-52809780
10:27 < PigBot> Germany coronavirus threat raised to ′high′ alert | News | DW | 17.03.2020 (at www.dw.com) http://tinyurl.com/shconmx
10:27 < aestetix> "The Robert Koch Institute has changed its COVID-19 threat risk for Germany from "moderate" to "high." It said the pandemic and some imposed restrictions could last two years."
10:28 <@Corydon76_> I'm assuming that's only if the virus mutates.
10:28 <@Corydon76_> Which it already has, at least once.
10:29 < aestetix> I read a story this morning that really pissed me off
10:29 < aestetix> finding it hold on
10:30 <@Corydon76_> Jesus.  The Trump administration is seeking an $850B bailout package.
10:30 <@Corydon76_> I think we need to go find Trump's tweets about the bailouts from the Obama era.
10:31 <@Dagmar> It's not like any of his supporters care
10:31 <@Dagmar> If they did, they're going to lynch him by mid-April as people start dying from a lack of respirators and they slowly remember that *Trump* was the person who furloughed the CDC's pandemic cgroup
10:32 < aestetix> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797
10:32 < PigBot> Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918' - POLITICO (at www.politico.com) http://tinyurl.com/rxudakq
10:32 < aestetix> this
10:32 <@Corydon76_> Yep, saw that article
10:32 < aestetix> So not only did Obama warn Trump this might happen, but they even had them do a drill, and Trump fucking ignored it
10:32 <@Corydon76_> I wish Tom Bossert were still around.  He was one of the few earnest people in the early days of the administration.
10:33 <@Dagmar> Every decent has fled the grounds
10:33 <@Dagmar> It's assholes all the way down, now
10:33 <@Corydon76_> Full disclosure:  I grew up with Tom.  He's from my hometown.
10:33 <@Dagmar> We are effectively, all on our own for this
10:35 < aestetix> hmmm 850 billion....
10:35 < aestetix> how much was obama's stimulus package?
10:35 <@Corydon76_> Oh, most of that $850B is in the form of the payroll tax cut.  You know, the one that funds Social Security and Medicare.  Guess what cuts will be happening in the wake of that.
10:36 < aestetix> well that's at least better than just printing money
10:36 <@Corydon76_> I'm guessing that ain't gonna happen.  The House will strip it, I'm sure.
10:36 <@Dagmar> ...and since the Democrats liked it, the GOP will stonewall it
10:37 <@Dagmar> The only thing we're likely to see is more trillions being handed out to banks
10:37 <@Corydon76_> The 2009 stimulus was approximately the same amount.
10:39 <@Dagmar> ...and yet Socialism is evil
10:39 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LZeYj0y3zM
10:39 < PigBot> Special Report: White House Coronavirus Task Force Holds News Conference | NBC News (Live Stream) (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/vd7ktce
10:40 <@Corydon76_> But the 2009 stimulus was largely about spending additional funds, not defunding existing programs.
10:40 <@Corydon76_> Seems like that $850B is politics as usual.
10:44 < aestetix> damn another briefing
10:58 <@Dagmar> Man wouldn't it be cool if companies kept cash reserves for a rainy day instead of just spending everything they dont' give to their stockholders?
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11:00 <@Mirage> Wouldn't5 it be cool if the avg american lived within their means and rarely bought anything on credit?
11:00 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: In the case of the airlines especially, they've been on an aggressive stock buyback spree, and now they're hosed because they've A. Been spending most of their available profits on stock buybacks, and B. Those stocks have crashed like a 737 MAX.
11:02 <@Corydon76_> Wouldn't it be cool if companies all paid a living wage, so Americans wouldn't HAVE TO use credit for emergencies?
11:03 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Citizens spend _way_ less on credit than large businesses do
11:03 <@_NSAKEY> But how would the owners afford thier 5th yacht?!?!
11:03 <@_NSAKEY> *their
11:03 <@Dagmar> A citizen fumbles their finances, they're effectively homeless and filing for bankruptcy
11:03 <@Dagmar> A company fumbles their finances, free money from the gov't
11:04 <@Dagmar> I do not understand why we tolerate people demanding that they make a profit because they take "risk" perpetually asking for free money when they fail at that very task
11:04 <@Dagmar> There's no real "risk" when you just turn around and ask the Fed to cover your bets
11:05 <@Corydon76_> Yeah, a number of businesses are basically all over-leveraged.  As long as businesses can make their debt payments, they'll be fine, but in economic downturns, frequently businesses have to be sold for pennies on the dollar so wealthy individuals can pay on the notes for their other overleveraged businesses.
11:05 <@Dagmar> If someone were to slap Trump every time he lied during a press conference, it would start to sound like an drum corps performance
11:05 <@Dagmar> "The banks are stronger than ever"
11:06 <@_NSAKEY> He would be permanently red, instead of orange.
11:06 <@Dagmar> So we just handed them billions of dollars why, precisely? Pfft
11:06 <@Corydon76_> Dagmar: that's a bit of an oversimplification of the Fed is doing.
11:07 <@Corydon76_> Every dime that the Fed provides to the banks have to be paid back, generally with interest.
11:07 <@Dagmar> And yet they just required a whole shitton of money
11:07 <@Corydon76_> though as of late, the interest may be optional
11:08 <@Dagmar> "We've ordered massive numbers of respirators"
11:08 <@Dagmar> He is SO full of shit
11:08 <@Corydon76_> Well, yeah, liquidity.  They need money temporarily, because there are so many customers who won't be able to make their debt payments
11:09 <@Corydon76_> If we delay our mortgage payments, the bank won't have money to pay someone else that it owes.
11:09 <@Dagmar> Their problem, not mine
11:09 <@Dagmar> If I can't pay my rent because the company that owes me money can't cover their checks, I go homeless
11:09 <@Corydon76_> Everyone's problem.  The grocery stores need to borrow money to buy extra supply, since everyone is panic-buying
11:09 <@Dagmar> The same rule should apply to corporations who make profits based on evaluating risk
11:10 <@Corydon76_> The faster the supply chain moves, the more money is needed in liquidity
11:10 <@Dagmar> Their problem, not mine
11:10 <@Corydon76_> And then you complain if you can't find something at the grocery store
11:10 <@Dagmar> I buy shit from people who plan properly
11:11 <@Corydon76_> I agree that *some* businesses are overleveraged.  But our own jobs are in peril if they can't pay their bills on time (some of which is payroll)
11:11 <@Dagmar> The current practice of prioritizing companies over citizens in this country is morally and financially flawed
11:23 <@Dagmar> Hint: you don't need a tool for it
11:23 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
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14:35 < oddball_> Holy hell.  HR just brought down some Sony VIOS laptops to see if we could re-image them.  They have CardBus slots on them!
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14:37 <@Evilpig> oddball: you're at work?!  didn't you get the memo it's the end of days out there?
14:48 <@Dagmar> Christ I have one of those in the closet somewgere.  The answer is no
14:54 <@oddball> Oh, I just laughed, and told G that I wanted to show him some tech that was older than him.
14:54 <@oddball> They also have parallel ports on them, and one has a serial port.
14:56 <@oddball> he actually pointed and asked about the phome modem port
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14:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah they're old as fuck
14:58 <@Dagmar> I think mine was useful in 2001
15:30 <@oddball> I'm kind of shocked that they both have WinXP home licenses stickers
15:36 <@Dagmar> THey're VAIOs and SOny is all about licencing
15:38 <@oddball> Well, I meant they were XP machines that had that tech on it.
16:04 <@Evilpig> how to DoS yourself.
16:05 <@Evilpig> 1) be a band
16:05 <@Evilpig> 2) announce a free streaming concert
16:05 <@Evilpig> http://dropkickmurphys.com/
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22:23 <@Dagmar> geez.  The lcoal news has a red alert strip on the bottom of the screen to tell everyone the number of coronavirus cases has gone up slightly
22:23 <@Dagmar> You'd almost think the dead actually _were_ rising to attack the living
23:49 < K`Tetch> you know, i think my wifes work computer was causing my issues
23:49 < K`Tetch> shes been off since lunch sunday, no connection issues
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