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06:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:15  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:07 <@Evilpig> damnit.  not sure if I should be happy or annoyed this drive is nearly a year out of warranty
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08:33 <@Dagmar> So statistics told them that, eh?
08:46 < aestetix> you know
08:47 < aestetix> I just realized that if someone in congress caught the coronavirus, it could kill off quite a few politicians
08:47 < aestetix> that would be really good for the US
08:57 <@Dagmar> No, they'll have the _very best_ medical care that money can buy
08:57 <@Dagmar> We want them to wait until nearly the peak of the infection
08:57 <@Dagmar> That way they'll get to find out what a "lottery" for respirators means
09:01 <@Corydon76> You don't think that Congress has an untapped reservoir of medical equipment designed to ensure that every single Congress critter could get infected, and they'd all be able to get treatment simultaneously?
09:01 <@Dagmar> I think it would be absolutely lovely for that information to come out
09:01 <@Corydon76> The tricky thing isn't that, but when a Congress critter pulls strings to make sure that their top aides can get treated, and then there won't be enough for all of them.
09:02 <@Corydon76> Because quite honestly, Congress would be hamstrung without their legislative aides.
09:02 <@Dagmar> Whatever makes it obvious that they don't care about the rest of us because they don't believe they should live by the same rules
09:02 <@Corydon76> I doubt they could even make a cup of coffee without assistance.
09:05 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: do you follow David Troy on Facebook?
09:06 <@Corydon76> He publishes some interesting stuff.  One of his contacts overlaid the outbreak numbers from Italy onto the US.  If the trend holds, we're about 5 days from having Italy's numbers, and probably about 10 days from being in widespread pandemic mode.
09:07 <@Corydon76> Surgeon General just announced that the government is transitioning from containment to mitigation mode.
09:07 < aestetix> Corydon76: yep. I'm waiting to see what Germany's numbers look like in a week
09:08 < aestetix> Since that will be the end of the.... germination? period for the first case
09:08 <@Corydon76> Do you mean incubation?
09:08 < aestetix> yes
09:09 < aestetix> thanks
09:09 <@Dagmar> Well, that's because Trump announced that we've got it contained, so there's nothing more to worry about
09:09 < aestetix> And of course the first case in berlin was a guy who worked in an open office space
09:09 < aestetix> so now at least three of his coworkers are also infected
09:10 <@Corydon76> And probably their families, too
09:10 < aestetix> tech workers don't have families :p
09:11 <@Corydon76> If they don't have families, then all of the strippers are probably infected, and all of their clientele, too
09:11 < aestetix> haha
09:12 <@Corydon76> How often do Germans go to church?
09:12 <@Corydon76> Is it soccer season?
09:12 < aestetix> That is a loaded question. Depends on what part of Germany.
09:12 < aestetix> And soccer, yes.
09:12 <@Corydon76> Isolating yourself seems like a wise move.
09:13 < aestetix> Remember that for decades, half of germany was communist
09:13 <@Corydon76> Open air markets and bazaars
09:13 < aestetix> yep
09:13 < aestetix> especially in the spring those are popular
09:13 < aestetix> I went to the movies over the weekend
09:14 < aestetix> And you'd think there was nothing wrong. Lots of people out drinking and partying
09:14 <@Corydon76> We just had a day in the 60s.  Everybody was out enjoying the warm weather.  Imagine.
09:15 <@Corydon76> This world is going to be so screwed in 30 days.
09:15 <@Dagmar> The idiot stepson will probably die
09:15 < aestetix> stepson?
09:15 <@Dagmar> He has extreme asthma and thinks this is all no big deal
09:15 <@Corydon76> The one with the skin condition?
09:15 <@Dagmar> Has asthma, and he smokes, vapes, and smokes weed
09:15 <@Dagmar> Yes
09:16 <@Dagmar> He gon' die
09:16 <@Corydon76> The smoking is probably the biggest risk factor, honestly
09:16 <@Corydon76> I have asthma, as well, and the interesting thing is that it's generally protective from infections
09:16 <@Dagmar> He winds up being stupid about his inhaler about once a week, and winds up having to go to the hospital for a "breathing treatment" as it is
09:17 <@Dagmar> s/week/year/
09:17 <@Dagmar> If he gets it, he's going to wind up needing to be respirated
09:17 <@Corydon76> I agree with the smoking, though, that's it's probably too late to quit.
09:17 <@Dagmar> death is a great quitting smoking aid
09:18 <@Dagmar> ...as is a respirator
09:18 <@Corydon76> That goes for everyone who smokes.  Too much damage and not enough time to recover.
09:18 <@Dagmar> If he's cut back on the goddamn weed maybe his life would suck less
09:18 <@Dagmar> Priority #1 for him is smoking weed
09:18 < xray> Corydon76: What do you mean asthma generally protects from infections?
09:19 <@Corydon76> xray: my theory for it is that the body's overreaction to foreign objects increases mucus production prematurely and traps the foreign material before it's able to get deep into the lungs
09:20 <@Corydon76> Note that prevention of infection, though, doesn't mean you won't die from the body's overreaction, though.
09:21 <@Corydon76> It is one of the terrible things about the human body's immune systems:  we very rarely die from infections.  We very often die from our immune system's overreaction.
09:21 < xray> In practice I have found that colds can quickly turn into life threatening events because of my asthma.
09:22 <@Dagmar> I watched the kid get bronchitis and he refused to stop smoking, and decided a minor coughing spasm every 20 minutes was "can't breathe anymore" and needed to go to the emergency room
09:22 <@Dagmar> He's dumb.  He gon' die
09:22 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: there's a worse situation than him dying, though.  He lives, with enough medical debt to run a small African country.
09:23 <@Dagmar> He' working on that, becuase of the aforementioned refusal to do the things that will keep him out of the ER
09:23 <@Dagmar> He alreaady owes like $1200
09:23 <@Corydon76> Peanuts
09:23 <@Dagmar> ...because that's about what it costs to go to the ER for a breathing treatment at 1am
09:24 <@Dagmar> It'sa way more than peanuts when you work at Sonic for about 20-25 hours a week because it's the job that will let you come into work high
09:24 <@Corydon76> Reagan era bill guarantees everyone life-stabilizing treatment at the ER, without regard for ability to pay.
09:24 <@Dagmar> This is true, but it doesn't do anything about keeping costs reasonable
09:25 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: which Sonic is that?  I want to avoid that one.
09:25 <@Dagmar> GOodlettsville
09:25 <@Corydon76> The one on Long Hollow Pike?
09:25 <@Dagmar> It was pretty obvious what he was doing when he was on his "job hunt"
09:25 <@Dagmar> THer'es temp agencies that _will_ hire 18 year olds to lift and move boxes
09:25 <@Corydon76> Eugh.  I've done a mystery shop at that one before.
09:26 <@Dagmar> THey just have operational hours he considered unacceptable, i.e., "mornings"
09:26 <@Dagmar> His plan was to spend this spring and summer working so he could afford to go back to MTSU
09:26 <@Dagmar> Mainly I think he's hoping to just mark time until someone else will pay for it
09:27 <@Dagmar> When the deadline for paying the rest of his bill with MTSU comes up in June and he hasn't even managed to save up that $1400, we're going to have a "talk"
09:27 <@Dagmar> ...but for the time being, he's just going to have to suffer the results of his own lazieness
09:28 <@Dagmar> ...and i'm not exaggerating about the week smoking.
09:28 <@Dagmar> As far as I know, he's gone without weed for about four days _this year_ and that was because he completley ran out
09:29 <@Dagmar> He gets up and smokes
09:29 <@Dagmar> He smokes before going into work
09:29 <@Dagmar> He smokes before going to bed
09:29 <@Dagmar> On the weekends, or whetver they're free, he has friends over in the afternoon and evening and they smoke up again
09:29 <@Corydon76> I understand your wish about him and pot, but a large amount of the people who abuse drugs is escapism.  i.e. they realize their life sucks, and they abuse drugs to help themselves cope.
09:29 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm sick of getting pushback for suggesting htat there might be a probnlem with this
09:30 <@Dagmar> His shit ain't going to get any better as long as he keeps hiding from it
09:30 <@Dagmar> Pretending doesn't make it so
09:30 <@Dagmar> Learning that is generally considered a requirement of being an adult
09:30 <@Corydon76> No, it won't.  But he'll feel better about it, or at least, forget that he feels bad.
09:31 <@Corydon76> By that criteria, there are a lot of people over 18 who aren't adults.
09:31 <@Dagmar> In the meantime he's trying to get us to pay for feeding his friends, and his mom to buy all his vape juice and vape rigs
09:31 <@Dagmar> I'm about to have to deploy rate-limiting here because they like to leave the 4K 60" TV on all night long to sleep to
09:31 <@Dagmar> Over 500Gb of transit here each month is _just him_
09:32 <@Dagmar> Me and Audra together, maybe 350Gb
09:32 <@Dagmar> I hate to cripple a 4K TV down to beloe 720p but if that's what it takes to get them to stop all coming over here and filthing up the place, that's what's going ot happen
09:32 <@Dagmar> I'm about goddamn tired to lazy teenagers wrecking the kitchen and stealing shit
09:33 <@Corydon76> I hate to suggest it, but he might benefit from living on his own, if only for a month or two
09:33 <@Dagmar> He can't afford to yet because his pot smoking schedule only lets him work 20-25 hours a week at Sonic
09:33 <@Corydon76> Or a curfew of 8pm, with lights out at 10
09:34 <@Dagmar> That "talk" is going to happen in June because I need the leverage
09:34 <@Dagmar> He was living with a friend in Murfreesboro during the fall semester, and as far as I can tell they spent a lot of time getting high and probably not going to classes that weren't in the evenings
09:34 <@Corydon76> How many friends would drop in, if they have to be there at 8pm, and can't leave until 6am?
09:35 <@Dagmar> ...and from listening to him talk to his mom, he had "great grades" which upon closer inquiry became "pretty good grades" to "some teachers you just can't get a decent grade from"
09:35 <@Dagmar> i.e., the ones that expect you to show up and do assignments and things
09:35 <@Dagmar> Dude, tehy stay here for _days at a time_
09:36 <@Dagmar> A friend of his was on the edge of the tornado area, and she was staying with us last week, which is fine because she's almost a responsible person, but for whatever reason her boyfriend decided to join her on Thursday
09:36 <@Dagmar> Michael was wanting _us_ to answer to "what are they supposed to eat"
09:37 <@Dagmar> So, her boyfriend, who is at least quiet, was here from Thursday until late Sunday night
09:37 <@Dagmar> So basically, once it's very inescapably obvious that he's not going back to college with his current approach to life, we're going to have a discussion about what he's _actually_ going to be doing from here on out
09:38 <@Dagmar> ...which hopefully will mean he will no longer be allowed to smoke weed, because if Dragon Park taught me anything, there are some people who should not do _any_ drugs because of their personality type
09:38 <@Dagmar> He is one of those people
09:38 <@Dagmar> He's a junkie.
09:38 <@Dagmar> The only route that's safe for him will be sobriety
09:39 <@Dagmar> He's been popped for weed _twice_ by the cops now
09:39 <@Dagmar> As a professional miscreant, I just find that offensive
09:40 <@Dagmar> First time was because he went into Edgehill in his "entitled teenagermobile" with all the stickers on the back to make a buy, and then headed straight for hillsboro village.
09:40 <@Dagmar> Cops pulled them over on general principle
09:40 <@Dagmar> Minors, cigarette packs all over the car, of _course_ they were getting searched
09:41 <@Dagmar> Second time was them coming back from White House doing 95mph at 2am down I-65
09:41 <@Dagmar> Smelling of weed
09:41 <@Dagmar> How the eff hard is it to drive like a sane human being if you're holding
09:46 <@Dagmar> By reading the man page
09:46 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
09:49 <@Evilpig> hahah our exchange admin is a fuckin' clown
09:49 <@Evilpig> this morning nearly all our email is showing up with an injected "warning: this email came from an external source"
09:50 <@Evilpig> even the shit that is originating inside...  and his response is 
09:50 <@Evilpig> "VUMC upper management has asked to stamp all email coming from outside of Office365 with a warning message.  This would include our SRFS email relay system."
09:50 <@Evilpig> pretty sure nobody in upper management had any understanding that all mail through the mail relay was gonna get tagged like that
09:52 <@Dagmar> Hang his ass out to dry any way
09:52 <@Evilpig> I've already pointed it out
09:52 <@Evilpig> that's why I got the answer of "including srfs"
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11:47 < xray> Ted Cruz self quarantines after brief contact with COVID-19 positive person. https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1236790420253954050
11:47 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/t8v7vg4
11:47 < xray> I thought this was interesting in light of this mornings posts.
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12:15 <@Dolemite> xray: Every time I see that headline I read it with the roles reversed.   COVID-19 positive persion self quarantines himself after contact with Ted cruz
12:26 < dasunt> LOL.
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13:00 < dasunt> I suppose I should eventually start using Slack.
13:24 <@Mirage> Downside of exposure...you got exposed.  Upside, you get time off..of course if you can't afford that time off then I guess it's another down side.
13:24 <@Mirage> With the current state of things I seriously doubt any employer would fire someone for missing work due to self-quarantine...if justified anyway.
13:27 < dasunt> "doubt any employer"?
13:27 < dasunt> Maybe not in white collar work.
13:27 <@Evilpig> I'm already working from home for hte next 7 weeks or so.  no change in behavior here
13:28 <@Evilpig> almost no change,  i'm watching more "kids in the hall" than I was before. :D
13:28 < dasunt> Rstaurant workers?  Especially those who can't afford a doctor's visit?  Sure.  They are getting fired.
13:28 < dasunt> PS:  Enjoy your pizza delivery!
13:28 < xray> Unless they show up for work anyway.
13:29 < xray> I saw an article about that today.
13:29 <@Mirage> All it'd take is one phone call to a local newspaper or TV station and that place of business would be crucified in the media.
13:29 < dasunt> Really, the US lacking a policy for PTO and a lot of low wage service industry jobs where people can't afford to miss work is going to bite us in the ass sooner or later.
13:30 < dasunt> Coronavirus may push that into the "sooner" territory.
13:30 < xray> This event will stress test and kill a lot more than just people.
13:32 < dasunt> They were talking about the nursing home situation on NPR the other day, and the problem with getting nursing homes adequately staffed even before the outbreak.
13:33 <@Mirage> Dell has cancelled all non-essential travel and told anyone who can WFH to do so.
13:34 < dasunt> For younger folks, most seem to experience (at worse) just a common cold.  Most people near the minimum wage aren't going to take time off or go to the doctor for a cold.
13:41 <@Mirage> It's also allergy season, so a lot of ppl could potentially have it and just think it's a sinus infection
13:42 < xray> That will be part of the problem, the majority of people will not get very sick so they will continue with their daily activities.
13:46 < xray> This event has the potential to kill more people than the Spanish Flu.
13:47 < xray> It will be interesting to see the effect it has on the anti-vax movement.
13:53 <@Corydon76> Mirage: Google has done the same.  I was supposed to be in Maryland next weekend for a conference.  Google Corporate has canceled all non-essential domestic and international travel.
13:54 <@Corydon76> No, I don't work for Google, but the conference was for Waze, which is owned by Google.
13:58 < dasunt> Could have some political effects as well.
13:58 < dasunt> 2% fatality rate, mostly among older folks...
14:00 <@eryc> its higher in the US
14:01 < dasunt> Not only does it have a potential to skew the voter base a bit (and elections have been decided upon less), but it may help for the push towards single payer and better worker paid sick days policies.
14:01 < dasunt> So I suppose, in a way, the system self-corrects if our current policies are actually harmful, but causing a ton of deaths isn't the ideal solution.
14:09 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: your lab is in the news:  https://www.fox29.com/news/university-of-tennessee-scientists-using-supercomputer-may-have-found-coronavirus-cure
14:09 < PigBot> University of Tennessee scientists using supercomputer may have found coronavirus cure | FOX 29 News Philadelphia (at www.fox29.com) http://tinyurl.com/u5hpgp8
14:12 < xray> Unless it is an off label use of an existing drug it will take 18 months to 2 years before it gets approval for use.
14:12 < xray> By then the damage has been done.
14:15 <@Corydon76> xray: yeah, I know that the Chinese have been testing existing drugs, in particular protease inhibitors.
14:16 <@Corydon76> And a malaria drug, I think?
14:18 < aestetix> that would be fucking awesome if they found a cure
14:18 <@Corydon76> It's not a cure; it's a treatment
14:18 < aestetix> better than dying
14:19 <@Corydon76> It's still to be determined if it reduces the risk of dying
14:19 <@Corydon76> Excuse me.  It's still to be determined if it reduces the risk of dying prematurely.
14:20 <@Corydon76> Your risk of dying has always been 100%.
14:21 < xray> Researchers are also looking into existing known methods for blocking the protein that allows the virus into the cell. This would not be a cure but would significantly reduce the impact of an infection.
14:22 <@Corydon76> xray: isn't that the research into remdesivir?
14:22 < xray> There are reports that a COVID-19 infection amy causes permanent nervous system damage.
14:22 <@Corydon76> Ugh
14:22 < xray> I did see remdesivir mentioned in one of the studies but it is not the only study.
14:23 <@Corydon76> I'm seeing remdesivir mentioned in multiple studies
14:23 <@Corydon76> But it's not the only drug being investigated.
14:24 <@Corydon76> https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/remdesivir-prevents-mers-coronavirus-disease-monkeys
14:24 < PigBot> Remdesivir Prevents MERS Coronavirus Disease in Monkeys | NIH: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (at www.niaid.nih.gov) http://tinyurl.com/sl2q638
14:24 < xray> There is a lot of noise and chaos in reporting. There is also the natural/political hysteresis and propagation delay in the data collection and health/government/populace reaction.
14:25 <@rhia> meanwhile, in Australia:  https://twitter.com/OzzyManReviews/status/1236199729525977093
14:25 < PigBot> No Title (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/w7xwgzl
14:28 <@Corydon76> The next question is, after they've identified a drug that works, how quickly can the drugmaker ramp up production to meet the needs of the world?
14:29 <@Mirage> And how much are they going to overprice it for..
14:33 <@Corydon76> In most of the world, there are sufficient price controls.  So that really only applies to the US.
14:34 <@Corydon76> Trump will probably cave and then use that as a campaign talking point.
14:40 <@Corydon76> Niclosamide is another interesting... normally used to treat tapeworms.  Currently available in convenient beef and liver flavored tablets.
14:43 < dasunt> "Vote for me, because I've damaged public health infrastructure to the point where the pandemic got worse, and thus I'm the only one that can fix it!"
15:19 <@Corydon76> "I got you your drugs for free that saved your life.  Vote for me."
15:19 <@Corydon76> Whether they actually saved anybody's life isn't important.  But that's political rhetoric.
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20:09 < dasunt> Vanguard is advertising a free webinar about how to navigate market volatilty.
20:09 < dasunt> I wonder why.
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