--- Log opened Fri Mar 06 00:00:57 2020
00:45 < K`Tetch> howd you not know what goat yoga is...?
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06:36 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: agree, I like the story so far
07:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:30 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: So worth a watch?
07:34 <@Evilpig> only two episodes so far but yes
07:35 <@Evilpig> if you like nick offerman it's a definite yes
07:36 <@Evilpig> also watching the new episode of into the dark.  I wish they'd put these episodes out more often
07:48 <@Dolemite> I'm just hoping that The Magicians gets some decent closure when the series ends next month
07:58  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:05 <@Evilpig> likely not gonna happen
08:07 <@Dolemite> Well according to the writers, they wrote the episode expecting it to not get a pickup for another season
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08:51 < aestetix> reading about this alabama bill for transgender athletes
08:52 < aestetix> correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it more conservative to be *against* imposing laws on people?
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08:53 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Unless it's to force your religious views upon others
08:54 <@Dolemite> Then it's a-ok
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08:54 < aestetix> heh
08:54 < aestetix> It's just.... wouldn't a conservative say that a school or sports league should decide these issues for themselves
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08:54 < aestetix> and not have the government interfere
08:54 < aestetix> but what do I know
08:55 <@Dolemite> The conservative / liberal stances have pretty much flip-flopped since the civil rights era
08:55 < aestetix> since the 90s even
08:55 < aestetix> but yeah
08:55 <@Dolemite> conservatives were taken over by the religious right wing
08:55 <@Dolemite> And in the 2000s the liberals have been taken over by the SJW left wing
08:55 < aestetix> yep
08:56 < aestetix> I wish we could put two those groups in a room and have them go at each other
08:56 < aestetix> then the rest of us could make bank selling popcorn
08:56 <@Dolemite> Although the current primary looks to be at least some of a rejection of that stance for the left
08:57 < aestetix> But yeah. There is some stuff that happens in the world I don't like. So I ignore it.
08:57 <@Dolemite> Yeah, drop some antifa into Columbia, SC, and see how long they duke it out
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09:00 < aestetix> Let's hope
09:00 < aestetix> I got really pissed off at the left, in particular people like Harris, when Biden said he was willing to work with people like Strom Thurmond
09:00 <@Dolemite> Better yet, send some vegans to a Texas BBQ festival
09:00 < aestetix> I'm not exactly sure how the far left intends to govern if they don't listen to people that disagree with them
09:00 < aestetix> haha
09:01 <@Dolemite> "Texas Open Carry BBQ Bonanza"
09:01 <@Dolemite> Now THAT would be a fun thing to see
09:01 <@Corydon76> There's nothing inherently wrong with deciding to work with colleagues in your chamber to get things done that you agree upon, even if you fundamentally disagree on other issues.
09:01 < aestetix> Invite Cenk Urgur to have a debate with Stephen Crowder
09:01 < aestetix> Corydon76: agreed
09:02 <@Dolemite> Too many people thing that because you disagree with someone else on an important topic to you, that you disagree with them on every topic
09:03 < aestetix> I had a discussion with someone a month or so ago (an American visiting Berlin) on the topic of open borders
09:03 < aestetix> And I asked him if he could give me an example of a reason a country might want to deny someone entry
09:03 < aestetix> And he couldn't
09:03 < aestetix> And he got really uncomfortable when I said "what about terrorists"?
09:04 <@Dolemite> What does a terrorist look like? :)
09:04 <@Dolemite> Do they all carry a membership card?
09:04 < aestetix> Dolemite: I mean someone who has committed a crime, and their name is on a wanted list
09:05 <@Dolemite> I wonder how many repeat terrorists there are vs. one time terrorists?
09:05 < aestetix> Yeah but the question is, if someone has, let's say, bombed a building and killed 50 people, and fled to your country.... should you be forced to admit them?
09:06 < aestetix> Really shouldn't be a hard question
09:06 < aestetix> I'm not talking about "you have a funny accent, denied!"
09:07 <@Dolemite> Or "you wear a scarf on your head"
09:07 < aestetix> right
09:08 <@Dolemite> Yeah, it shouldn't be a hard question - if you are on the naughty list, you should be denied - but also informed that you're on the naughty list and why, so that you have an opportunity to attempt to clear your name.
09:08 < aestetix> well yes
09:08 <@Dolemite> but you don't get a provisional entry while that happens
09:08 <@Dolemite> However, that has potential to be abused for political reasons
09:08 < aestetix> I used to be able to say "Ok, should you be forced to allow Osama Bin Laden?" but younger kids these days don't know who he is
09:16 <@Corydon76> The thing on open borders is, though, I don't know anybody who actually advocates for open borders.  It's a political football that politicians like to tag each other with if they support anything more liberal than what the speaker wants.
09:17 < aestetix> Corydon76: I do.
09:17 <@eryc> EU has open borders
09:17 < aestetix> I've met people who actively argue for all borders to be abolished.
09:17 < aestetix> eryc: sort of
09:17 <@Corydon76> aestetix: do they mean open borders within the EU, or open borders TO the EU?
09:17 < aestetix> Corydon76: TO the EU
09:18 <@Corydon76> aestetix: I hope they don't have any political power, then
09:18 < aestetix> Corydon76: only on twitter :p
09:18 <@Corydon76> Because that's just nuts
09:18 < aestetix> Corydon76: yeah, I was arguing with this guy (in person), and because I said managed borders were important, he called me far right wing
09:18 < aestetix> Managed. Not closed.
09:19 < aestetix> And re: the EU.... there is sort of border enforcement, sometimes. For example, on occasion if you fly between countries they will ask to see an ID before you board a flight
09:19 <@Corydon76> As long as countries agree to similar standards, I don't see why they can't be included in the EU and get open borders with the EU.  But that's a far cry from anybody being able to move freely
09:20 < aestetix> And I took a train from Berlin to Amsterdam, and my ticket was checked in Holland once we crossed the border
09:20 < aestetix> Although if you drive, there's generally no check
09:20 < aestetix> I've flown between countries a few times, only been checked once
09:21 < aestetix> er, asked for ID
09:21 <@Corydon76> aestetix: what do you think of London Heathrow being denied permission to build another runway?
09:21 < aestetix> Denied by whom?
09:21 < aestetix> The UK isn't in the EU so I don't care :p
09:21 <@Corydon76> Their own courts
09:22 <@Corydon76> It was determined that the additional runway would increase carbon emissions which would violate a climate treaty
09:22 < aestetix> Maybe they will have a surplus of money now that they aren't paying to monitor Julian Assange
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10:58 <@Dolemite> https://www.wvlt.tv/content/news/Oak-Ridge-man-extradited-charged-with-serving-as-Nazi-guard-568557591.html
10:58 < PigBot> Oak Ridge man ordered to return to Germany after serving as Nazi guard (at www.wvlt.tv) http://tinyurl.com/vo8kxnk
11:23 < aestetix> .... how old is that guy
11:35 < xray> 94
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17:49 <@Dagmar> I'll be there eventually
17:49 <@Dagmar> Audra decided she needed to change clothes first
18:47 < K`Tetch> why are all the useums in augusta closed mondays and tuesdays
19:15 <@Evilpig> who's got two thumbs and just confirmed another redhat bug
19:15  * Evilpig says this guy
19:15  * Evilpig hangs his head in shame
19:16 <@Evilpig> I've actually got a dedicated support guy at redhat now.  whenever I put tickets in he gets added no matter who is working them.  not sure how I should feel on that
21:02 <@Mirage> Evilpig: so what you're saying is that you're really good at breaking shit?
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