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04:12 < aestetix> wow these super bowl commercials are terrible
04:23 < aestetix> ok except for the groundhog day one
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07:06 <@Evilpig> uber is trying hard to get me to use them again
07:06 <@Evilpig> Joe just took their first Uber ride using your code, so you’ve scored $5 off your next ride. The savings will apply automatically, no promo code needed.
07:06 <@Evilpig> I don't know many joe's and I certainly haven't referred anyone
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07:57 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:58  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:04 <@Dolemite> patch reboot time
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08:24 < aestetix> patch? are you running windows?
08:24 < aestetix> or did you update your kernel
08:24 <@Dolemite> kernel
08:24 <@Dolemite> On this box that's exposed to the internet, I run updates weekly.
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09:02 < aestetix> wow
09:02 < aestetix> today is the 20 year anniversary of The Sims
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10:26 <@Mirage> Sunday I caught an old episode of How It's Made that included "How computers are built".  Was just terrible...and scary.  Terrible in that it was not entirely accurate, scary seeing them installing a "new" AGP graphics card, fax/modem, and 3.5" floppy.
10:31 <@Dolemite> LOL
10:39 <@Mirage> They also claimed that it took 90 minutes to build a PC..but only covered installing PS, CPU/Memory/MB, video, modem, cdrom, HDD, and floppy in a case.   The person building it didn't look "special needs", but I can't imagine it taking anyone who'd ever put a system together taking more than ~20m or so.  Maybe they just didn't wanna include the "installing the OS" step.
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10:50 <@Corydon76> Mirage: or that they put every single screw in to every single place possible.
10:51 <@Corydon76> I know I don't bother with more than 2 screws in a hard drive in most cases, even though you could put in 8 or 12.
10:52 <@Corydon76> But then, I don't live in earthquake-prone California, where there might be utility in securing every component.
10:52 <@Dolemite> Well think back to the 90s when you didn't have caddies for your drives, and you had to practically disassemble the entire case just to fit the motherboard inside, then reassemble it in order.
10:54 <@Corydon76> True, without a caddy I might put in 4 screws.
10:54 <@Corydon76> I still don't max it out.  I plan for the idea that there's never going to be a big shock to the case, and I'm eventually going to have to remove the hard drive, and extra screws are just wasted effort.
10:55 <@Mirage> 8 or 12?   there are only 4-6 screw holes to use.
10:56 <@Corydon76> Per side
10:56 <@Mirage> 2-3 per side.
10:56 <@Dolemite> Mirage: did the video include him adding a ZipDisk off of the parallel port? :)
10:56 <@Mirage> no
10:56 <@Corydon76> 2-3 for a floppy.  But there are 2 rows per side.
10:56 <@Evilpig> Mirage: last time I built out one of my pc's it took an hour to get the motherboard and all in place.  but I also did all the cable management at the time and that shit can take time when done correctly
10:57 <@Corydon76> 2 rows of screws on hard drives
10:57 <@Mirage> you must have been installing much different HDDs and Floppies than I ever did, because they didn't have that many holes
10:57 <@Evilpig> maybe those old 5.25" full size drives
10:58 <@Evilpig> 3.5" drives only have one row of screws per side, two - three screws per side.
10:58 <@Evilpig> cd drives I remember having 4 holes on each side with two rows typically
10:58 <@Corydon76> No, they were 3.5" drives back in the day.  I think they eliminated them since
10:59 <@Corydon76> I agree that they were ridiculously unnecessary, unless you were parachuting in.
11:00 <@Evilpig> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Wb3Rgqz2sqRBeQvT8
11:00 < PigBot> No Title (at photos.app.goo.gl) http://tinyurl.com/vzdeg4e
11:00 <@Evilpig> there are some old bigfoot drives and they had 3 per side
11:00 <@Evilpig> I think those were bigfoot
11:03 <@Evilpig> I'm wrong those were just plain ol circa 2000 maxtors
11:03 <@Mirage> thos drives in the pic aren't bigfoot drives.   the bigfoot's were 5.25" half-height
11:04 <@Evilpig> I had some at one point or another, thought I had pictures but they aren't readily available it seems
11:05 <@Mirage> actually i guess they'd be more like 1/4" height since 'standard' 3.5" IDE HDDs were about half the height of older MFM/RLL/SCSI drives
11:07 <@Corydon76> Eh, you may be right that it was only 1 row per side.
11:08 <@Corydon76> In any case, the point stands that if you put in every screw possible, it'll take you a lot longer to assemble a computer.
11:09 <@Corydon76> Especially if you're using a manual screwdriver.
11:09 <@Mirage> am I seeing things, or are those EISA and PCI-E slots on that MB?
11:17 <@opticron> I don't see any PCIe, just PCI, AGP, and EISA
11:19 <@Mirage> The PCI slots look longer..extends past the (presumably) NIC card under the video card and almost to the end of the (presumably) sound card
11:20 <@Mirage> Wait, the longer PCI was PCI-X
11:21 <@opticron> yeah, but none of those are PCI-X either
11:21 <@Evilpig> thre's an agp slot too
11:21 <@Mirage> Yes, we see that
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12:10 <@Mirage> wow..looking at the "t-shirt sizes" proposed for a customer's internal "cloud" environment.    How insane is this:  r4.16xlarge 64 core 488 GiB Ram
12:14 < aestetix> who the hell needs 488 gigs of ram
12:14 <@Mirage> or 64 cores
12:15 < xray> Who doesn't?
12:15 < aestetix> Mirage: how much is that a month
12:15 <@Mirage> who knows...we don't get billing data
12:16 <@Mirage> over the course of 3yrs (assuming 3yr life-cycle) I'm sure buying a physical host or 3 would be cheaper
12:19 <@Mirage> I haven't seen the infra docs, but I'm guessing that'd be consuming most of the resources for a single ESXi host in the cluster.  Just think how much potential there is for a performance bottleneck on a VM configured for 64 cores since it'd have to wait for that many to be free in the hypervisor to execute commands (even if it didn't require all 64)
12:21 <@Mirage> Anyone looked at SONiC OS for Switch hardware?
12:23 <@Mirage> The idea of a physical hardware switch from a vendor being an essentially open platform is just crazy to me.  Apparently quite a few support re-imaging a switch with SONiC, though.
12:39 <@Corydon76> Mirage: only thing I could see running that beefy would be a database server.
12:40 <@Corydon76> Trying to run a farm of database servers and then dealing with the intricacies of conflict resolution is hellish.  Just better off to throw hardware at the problem.
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13:25 < oddball> My boss decided to get me a 27" monitor, which.... I'm not going to argue about, but it only supports 1920x1080
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13:37 <@Mirage> if this cold front hits ya'll the same as it did us you'll love it.   Temp dropped 20 degrees in just under 2hr this morning.
13:38 <@Mirage> Was 81 here Sunday, supposed to be 33 tonight and 28 tomorrow....then back in the 60's this weekend
13:44 < oddball> It's supposed to be fairly stable this week.  50's and raining.
13:47 <@Evilpig> oddball: that's like my 10+ yr old 27" monitor at home
13:57 < oddball> I mean... it's a nice 1920x1080 monitor.  Almost bezzelless.
14:00 <@Mirage> i just dug a 24" like that out of the close to connect my contractor laptop into because I was finally tired of dealing with the 14" or smaller monitor.
14:02 <@Mirage> The laptop monitor would do 1920x1080, but i must be getting old or something because i couldn't small type worth a damn on it unless i bumped up the magnification a bit
14:04 <@Mirage> kinda defeats the purpose of a high resolution screen if it's so small that you can't see shit on it at normal resolution and have to magnify everything.   By default Windows 10 tries to run the display at 150%
14:06 < oddball> Yeah, 1920x1080 on a 14" monitor makes things difficult.
14:06 < xray> I have been using a 55 inch 4k TV as an external monitor for my laptop and it has been working great. It is the screen equivalent of 4 x 27" 1080P monitors without having to deal with multiple graphics cards and a hydra headed monitor stand.
14:07 <@Mirage> probably cheaper too
14:07 <@Mirage> by quite a bit
14:08 < oddball> heh... one of my co-workers does that with a 40" TV he had collecting dust.  He discovered that the 22" monitors we have laying around fit perfectly as wings when in portrait mode.
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14:09 <@Mirage> potrait mode is really handy if you wind up reading many docs
14:09 < xray> Yes it was a lot cheaper. The only down side is the average 10ms latency time is not great for high twitch gaming. Since this is my work system that hasn't been much of an issue. Then again if sub 10ms   latency is an issue during game play I shouldn't be using a laptop anyway.
14:09 <@oddball> Mirage: Or if you're in a lot of Teams chats that are active.
14:10 <@oddball> xray: I actually have a laptop that's ok with gaming, but it was also built to be a gaming laptop and has a real vidcard in it.
14:11 <@oddball> This video is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAYYV9WDZg
14:12 <@Mirage> yeah..i have a 17" with an i7, 16G ram, and an Nvidia GTX1060 w/ 4G dedicated.  runs games real nice
14:12 < PigBot> Paul gives a mechanic's take on right to repair testimony (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/tse3ypa
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14:19 <@Mirage> i'm with this guy on the subject of "this is giving me a headache...i've gotta medicate"
14:21 <@Mirage> "suck, squish, bang, blow"...never head a 4-cycle described exactly that way
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14:29 < xray> Words escape me at conveying my reaction to the utter drivel the guy testifying is spouting. If this is the caliber of the testimony that legislators listen to I can understand why we get such brain damaged legislation technology legislation.
14:29 < xray> And I can't seem to proofread what I type. I need more coffee.
14:30 <@Mirage> yeah...just listening to the guy talking at the hearing is painful.  you'd think that even non-technical/mechanical people would be able to recognize how fucked up what he's saying is
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14:44 <@oddball> And remember, since he's representing a large organization in the field, the legislators believe that he knows what he's talking about.
14:45 <@Mirage> yeah, i stopped watching it about half-way through...and even then i'd just skipped up to the next commentary section.   Watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWX5B6cD4_4 now.
14:45 <@Mirage> ""
14:45 <@Mirage> "How Myst Almost Couldn't Run on CD-ROM | War Stories | Ars Technica"
14:45 < PigBot> How Myst Almost Couldn't Run on CD-ROM | War Stories | Ars Technica (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/u74b39e
14:45  * Mirage smacks slow-ass pigbot
14:46 <@oddball> That remidns me.  I still need to sit down and figure out the whole bot thing for another channel.
14:47 <@Mirage> I think it's cool/funny that this guy brought up the same feedback time thing that they covered in Halt and Catch Fire...if a computer doesn't do *something* in x amount of time after executing a command then a user can/will lose interest or become frustrated.
14:51 <@oddball> He's not wrong
15:03 < aestetix> oh nice
15:03 < aestetix> that's one of my favorite games
15:03 < aestetix> myst
15:09 < aestetix> btw if you guys like Myst
15:09 < aestetix> there is a great game called Quern
15:38 <@Evilpig> it takes pigbot a sec to get to youtube because google did some nonsense to stop bots from getting the titles and running off
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