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06:49 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:49  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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10:02 <@Mirage> https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/weather/miami-freeze-falling-iguana-forecast-trnd/index.html
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10:26 <@Mirage> nice.. https://abc13.com/5869294/
10:26 <@Mirage> "Furries to the rescue: Costumed conventioneers save woman from assault in San Jose"
10:36 < aestetix> .....
10:54 <@Corydon76> 42 days until reality sets in for Democratic candidates.
10:56 < aestetix> Corydon76: when is the DNC convention
10:56 < aestetix> I'm really getting tired of the clown circus
10:56 <@Corydon76> 42 days gets us to the day after Super Tuesday.
10:57 <@Corydon76> If you want, it's just a countdown until Bloomberg drops out.
10:57 < aestetix> I can't imagine how bad it is in the US
10:57 < aestetix> Since you probably have to see Trump on the newspaper every day
10:57 <@Corydon76> It's not bad at all here yet.
10:57 <@Mirage> news.google.com had a link to a story claiming that Trumps approval rating is currenty at an all-time high.  I didn't bother reading it because I just can't fathom his approval rate being anything other than abyssmal
10:57 <@Corydon76> I don't get a newspaper that covers national politics
10:58 <@Corydon76> Mirage: his approval rating hovers perpetually around 50% among "likely voters"
10:58 <@Corydon76> That is, people who voted in 2016.
10:58 < aestetix> I wish there were a ballot measure to revoke his Twitter privileges
10:59 <@Corydon76> If you use the poll for "registered voters", it's somewhere around 40%.
10:59 <@Mirage> the only demographics I see actually supporting him are zenophobes and biggots
10:59 <@Corydon76> If you just poll the general population, without taking into account voters, it's south of 30%.
11:00 <@Corydon76> Mirage: but do the people who dislike him vote?  That's the key question.  If they aren't going to the polls in November, they can believe he's the devil incarnate, and it won't matter.
11:02 <@Corydon76> The problem is that his base is motivated to go to the polls.  If the Russians can demotivate those against him from going to the polls, and among those who do go to the polls, if Republican vote officials can prevent a sizeable number from voting, then he gets reelected.
11:02 <@Corydon76> In a nutshell, that IS how the 2016 results occurred.
11:02 <@Mirage> In the last election there wasn't a real choice..he was a largely unknown quantity and Hilary is known to be horrible
11:03 <@Corydon76> Hillary wasn't horrible, though.  She only seemed horrible, because we had a ton of propaganda that was shown to be false, dominating the political conversation.
11:03 <@Mirage> So it was a choice of the devil you know or the potential devil you don't.  No one could have known just how much of a fucking nutcase he was going to wind up being.
11:04 <@Corydon76> Oh, I think a lot of people knew _exactly_ how much of a nutcase he would wind up being.
11:04 <@Corydon76> The problem is that they were facing people who believed the anti-Hillary propaganda.
11:06 <@Mirage> My opinion was that with Hillary most domestic issues would be largely ignored and all her efforts would be devoted to the world stage and Trump would be the opposite.
11:07 <@Mirage> Unfortunately I was right about Trump paying more attention to domestic issues and policies.  His policies are moving us backward, not forward, and a good bit of the "issues" he's taken up to champion are ones he cooked up in his own head
11:08 <@Corydon76> There's going to be a good mix of domestic/international issues, simply because the office is a victim of circumstance a good amount of the time.
11:08 <@Corydon76> No office holder can control the narrative 100%.
11:09 <@Corydon76> But on the other side of the coin, if Hillary had won, Paul Ryan would likely still be in charge of the House, and very little would be getting done on the domestic front.
11:09 <@Corydon76> Divided government always leads to paralysis.
11:10 <@Mirage> Yeah.  Which arguably could have potentially been better in the long run than the current state of things.
11:13 <@Corydon76> Oh, no doubt.  We wouldn't have had the tax cut, so deficits would still be relatively under control...
11:14 <@Corydon76> Or at least, not the raging dumpster fire of $1T per year during times of prosperity.  Heaven help us if we experience an economic downturn.
11:14 <@Corydon76> And no trade war.
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11:48 < aestetix> ok so
11:48 < aestetix> I doubt any of you know the answer to this
11:48 <@Mirage> 42
11:48 < aestetix> but is there any point in covering food with gold, besides to show off you can afford to eat gold?
11:48  * Mirage wins
11:49 <@Mirage> no point, and not anything you should do too often because you can get heavy metal poisoning from gold if you eat enough of it.
11:55 <@Mirage> wtf...a new "final season" for Star Wars:  The Clone Wars?   5 years after the last "final season".   Wondering how Disney is going to go about reviving something that was supposedly done just so they can end it again.   Since it's being released on their streaming service I'm sure the reasoning is strictly financially driven since that series was so well liked while it was out...way more than Star Wars: Resistance
11:57 < aestetix> Final - Final 2 (new)
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12:33 <@oddball> Yeah, Resistance was just... bland
13:22 <@dc0de> Mirage: Disney will remake everything, 1,000,000,000 times over.. and bastardize all of the stories to make everything meet with their twisted view of the world
13:22 <@dc0de> Don't even get me started on "Pocahontas"....
13:26 <@Corydon76> Or anything by Hans Christian Anderson?
13:27 <@Corydon76> The Little Mermaid was supposed to end up as ocean foam, not to get the prince in the end.
13:30 < aestetix> yeah Disney has pretty much gone sjw
13:30 < aestetix> but, they are free to do what they want, and I am free not to buy their stuff
13:41 <@Corydon76> I avoid a lot of their traditional fare, but I rather enjoy their Pixar properties.
13:51 <@Evilpig> our principle exchange admin wants to hand edit a rule for all of our systems that send email from non-standard, non-valid addresses for system notices to make them have valid envelopes
13:51 <@Evilpig> so he asked for a list of all of our affected systems by their new policy so I sent him a list of over 900 systems
13:56 <@dasunt> Took the C programming language test on linked in.
13:57 <@dasunt> Asked what the value of this would be:  char x = 'A'; char y = 'a', int output = 'A' - 'a'
13:58 <@dasunt> "Undefined unless you assume a specific character encoding" was not an answer.
13:58 <@dasunt> I'm not sure I'd ever sell myself as a C programmer, and yet I'm looking at that and seeing a potential issue.
14:06 <@opticron> ehhhh, in C I *think* that is explicitly an ASCII character stored in a byte
14:37 <@dasunt> Is it?  I thought C could be EBDIC as well.
14:38 <@dasunt> Presumably other encodings as well, but EBDIC is the only one that may still be lurking out there in the wild, forgotten, neglected, on some mainframe.  (Maybe?)
14:45 <@opticron> ugh, that actually gets more complicated because you haven't defined the width of a character, either
14:46 <@opticron> so if in this hypothetical system, a character is 4 bytes, it could validly encode UTF-32 in ''
14:46 <@opticron> and I think C11 technically supports that
14:47 <@opticron> so you're right that EBCDIC could exist on some system out there (or you might even be able to set the appropriate flags on your system)
14:49 <@opticron> that aside, any system you're likely to write C on is going to have a 1 byte character with ASCII encoding
14:56 <@opticron> looking at EBCDIC, it looks like it comes out to the same value, conveniently
14:57 <@opticron> or I'm reading this chart wrong
15:03 <@dasunt>  Maybe it does.
15:03 <@dasunt> There was a few other questions that I thought were weird.  Like the size of a short, which I thought may be system independent
15:04 <@dasunt> IDK - I basically took the test for shits and giggles, but...
15:04 <@dasunt> Doesn't one of the C standards define specific keywords for types of a specific size?
15:04 <@opticron> no, shorts, ints, long ints are all system dependent and I've seen systems in the wild where they're different
15:04 <@opticron> uint32_t
15:05 <@opticron> 32 bit unsigned integer
15:05 <@opticron> several of that variety is what you want
15:05 <@dasunt> That was what I recalled.
15:06 <@dasunt> My C skills are probably 10 years out of date, easily.
15:06 <@opticron> and there are also things like size_t that are the length of a pointer, iirc
15:06 <@opticron> which definitely vary among systems
15:06 <@dasunt> And never that strong to begin with, but I recalled reading about portability, and I focused on that because it was interesting.
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23:22 <@Dagmar> EBCDIC is an IBM aberration
23:22 <@Dagmar> Basically, the charset is laid out for the convenience of _punched card operators_
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