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06:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:20 <@Dolemite> Mirage:   We have Site Reliability Engineers, here, but it has nothing to do with IT. ;)
07:00 <@Evilpig> You aren't supposed to be talking about the weather control satellites
07:03 <@Dolemite> Nobody mentioned those
07:03 <@Dolemite> Besides, satellites aren't based on the ground. ;)
07:03 <@Evilpig> their control room is
07:04 <@Dolemite> But we do have SRE's for just about all of the user space facilities here, like new-queue-luhr reactors and particle accelerators.
07:41 < aestetix> well
07:41 < aestetix> at least the term SRE makes more sense than DevOps
07:41  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:49 <@Dolemite> hey now
07:50 <@Dolemite> you watch yo mouf
07:50 < aestetix> Dolemite: ok, what is the difference
07:50 <@Dolemite> The difference between SRE and DevOps?
07:50 < aestetix> yes
07:50 <@Corydon76> devops makes perfect sense as a methodology, not a job description.
07:50 <@Dolemite> Well I'll agree with Corydon's statement
07:51 <@Dolemite> DevOps is all about the process.   SRE is all about the content (when applied in an IT application)
07:52 <@Corydon76> In the era of formalization of job descriptions, the formalizers let certain things fall through the cracks, which meant everybody could be doing their jobs, and yet things still might be broken, because of "not my job"isms
07:52 <@eryc> the SRE book is worth speed reading
07:52 <@Corydon76> DevOps is the attempt to fix that formalization, by saying, in effect, if things ain't working, you ain't doing your job.
07:53 <@eryc> i have a bunch of material i printed out when Facebook and LinkedIn were recruiting me for an SRE job
07:53 < aestetix> Corydon76: but from my experience, DevOps turns into a blanket term for someone who does everything
07:53 <@eryc> not from the SRE book, but other sources
07:54 <@Corydon76> aestetix: someone who has the _authority_ to do everything, yes
07:55 <@Corydon76> If something isn't working, we don't wait for the guy who does that to get back from lunch.  We fix it immediately.
07:56 <@Corydon76> You can have authority to do everything, even if you consistently only focus on a single area.
07:56 <@eryc> specifically this material: https://www.educative.io/courses/grokking-the-system-design-interview
07:56 < PigBot> Grokking the System Design Interview (at www.educative.io) http://tinyurl.com/y5p7b9mm
07:57 <@eryc> facebook gave me a free coupon for it
07:58 <@eryc> i did an in-person with linkedin and realized california has become a terrible place since i lived there <2008
07:59 <@eryc> didn't bother doing the in-person with facebook but they really wanted me to
07:59 <@Corydon76> California has been a terrible place ever since they decided that it was more important to restrain taxes to a point below which it becomes sustainable (in the 70s).
07:59 <@eryc> though they were going to let me work out of their chelsea office
08:00 <@Corydon76> I told Facebook point blank that if they wanted to open Nashville office, I'd reconsider, but their requirement of me to move was a no-go.
08:01 <@eryc> i basically told them something similar
08:02 <@Corydon76> But pretty much _every_ city is on an unsustainable path, since they're giving away the money they need to support infrastructure to lure businesses in.
08:03 <@Corydon76> But their rocks glasses and whiskey stones were a nice gift.
08:03 <@Corydon76> Facebook's, that is
08:04 <@dc0de> I agree, Cities are a losing proposition.
08:04 <@dc0de> and an extremely ugly place to live.
08:04 <@Corydon76> Their offer to pay for the aftercare of my upcoming heart attack, if I come work for them was also quite alluring.
08:10 < aestetix> well I mean
08:10 < aestetix> According to Gitlab, DevOps is exclusively the process from comitting code to deploying it on webservers
08:11 < aestetix> I doubt they would include anything like dealing with databases, security, etc
08:16 <@Corydon76> Isn't it funny how formalizers decided to formalize DevOps, not realizing that DevOps was entirely a response to their shitcannery?
08:37 < aestetix> hahaha
08:38 < aestetix> eryc: yeah california is an awful place to live now
08:38 < aestetix> and facebook is an awful place to work
08:38 < aestetix> source: I have a friend who works there, he complains about it all the time, and he works 80 hour weeks
08:39 < aestetix> well 60-80 hour
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09:58 <@eryc> that sounds shitty
09:58 <@eryc> the other big downside with them or say google, is that their tech stack is completely unique to them
09:59 <@eryc> so you get no transferrable skills other than brand recognition
09:59 <@eryc> facebook has their own variant of php called hack
09:59 <@eryc> seemed aweful
09:59 < xray> Compared to what? In the Navy at see it was 7x24 for over 280 days a year.
10:00 < xray> In port it was 24 hours every third day and 12+ hours the other two.
10:00 <@eryc> if anyone wants a job at Coinbase i have a recruiter who i've been ignoring for a month now
10:00 < xray> s/see/sea/
10:00 <@oddball> What are they looking for?
10:01 <@eryc> i think rust/go programmer
10:01 <@eryc> they have job listings on their site
10:02 <@oddball> ok.  I know a couple folks that are in the hunt.
10:02 <@eryc> if they see something on their site they like lmk and i'll pass along the contact info
10:02 <@oddball> cool
10:04 < aestetix> eryc: that too
10:04 < aestetix> well also
10:04 < aestetix> at least at facebook, most employees are 21-25
10:04 < aestetix> they have no lives outside of work, so thye just work all the time
10:04 <@eryc> i have a recruiter contact for Dropbox too if they want it
10:05 <@eryc> aestetix: neckbeard younglings
10:05 <@eryc> hard pass
10:06 <@eryc> well, from what i observed they just pull up the .com bus on university graduation day and haul in a fresh batch of students to overwork
10:07 <@eryc> the large campuses with cafeterias and shared apartments are a pretty easy transition for them i'm sure
10:07 <@Mirage> Personally I'll take overworked any day in lieu of waiting for something to do and filling in all the downtime with meaningless training for things you have no interest in and will likely never use.
10:08 <@Mirage> ^ my job for the past year
10:08 <@Mirage> The latter that is...
10:19 <@oddball> had a guy out to give us an estimate on new windows for the house.  Part of his sales pitch was that they were rated #1 for employee hapiness for employees under 40.  He said "you would think Facebook or Google, but..."
10:19 <@oddball> I told him "clearly, you've never talked to folks that have worked at Facebook or Google."
10:19 <@Mirage> What company?
10:21 <@Corydon76> Pet peeve:  recruiters who send me a URL to sign up for a call with them.
10:22 <@Mirage> As much as the quote was we got from Andersen I can't figure out a) how they stay in business, b) who the fuck pays their prices for anything to keep them in business.
10:22 <@Corydon76> Mirage: people with more money than sense, usually
10:23 <@oddball> I forget the name of the company.
10:23 <@Corydon76> Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they subcontract with builders, who get negotiated rates.
10:23 <@Mirage> Luckily there is a local window company here in the Dallas area that I had recommended who replaced all windows in the old house for ~9k, which is too much IMO, but much better than the ~50k that Anderen quoted.
10:24 <@oddball> shit!
10:24 <@oddball> We got quoted $17k
10:25 <@Mirage> Pella is supposed to be cheaper than Andersen, but probably not by a whole lot.   We cancelled them coming out to quote us after we got the quote from Andersen and then the local company.
10:25 <@Mirage> How many windows?  I think we replaced 17-19...which was every window in the entire house.
10:29 <@oddball> I think 16, but they're big windows.
10:29 <@oddball> And these guys use Pella windows
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12:34 <@Mirage> This new work laptop is insane/stupid..plug in a USB drive, even a freshly formatted one w/ nothing on it..and you _always_ get a popup about "blocking autorun.inf from running".
12:35 <@Mirage> What's annoying is that it steals focus from whatever I was doing every time it does this
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13:46 <@Evilpig> https://www.gamestop.com/toys-collectibles/lifestyle/kitchen/kitchen-accessories-gadgets/products/x-men-wolverine-corn-cob-holders/11052171.html
13:46 < PigBot> X-Men Wolverine Corn Cob Holders | GameStop (at www.gamestop.com) http://tinyurl.com/v5drk3b
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